Power shielding a FHDL

[Squirt]

Suppose you can predict that your opponent being falco is going to FHDL. First is it wise to try to powershield the first laser? (I'm thinking if you are close enough the first laser will be reflected stunning your opponent allowing you to smash him back off the stage, totally eliminating his second jump.) If so, is there a way you could , by watching his first move (dropping down to set up) perfectly predict when you should shield? I guess what I am asking is is there a set amount of time assuming your opponent is performing a "perfect FHDL" (whatever that is) from point A, dropping down to point B the laser lining up to your shield, obviously depending on your positioning on the stage, that you could just memorize? OR is this all too fickle and simply up how your opponent wants to time it?

Perhaps just watching the laser would be more effective.

The way I see it is the only variable is your position on the stage, from there I guess you just need to know exactly how fast the laser travels, with these to things you could come up with a number of milliseconds it takes from falco's laser to your position.

Tell me if I'm crazy.

 

[Pi]

it's not so hard to powershield double laser from the ledge (which is what ur talking about?)
i believe powershielding a falco laser enough times ingrains it in your head the animation he goes through before the laser comes out, as well as a knowledge of how fast the laser travels
so wherever, however, he shoots a laser powershielding it is reasonble as long as ur consistent at it in practice or w/e

as far as...punishing from the laser goes
if you're close, you might be able to reflect the one and hit him with it before the 2nd one comes out
opening a window for punishment (assuming he's caught off guard by the laser)
but if ur a decent ways away then the 2nd one is probably going to make it out

but, it's a rare occurance, and will probably end with the falco being caught off guard and going panic/defense mode after having his dl from the edge pshielded
which is a pretty good position to have put him in, for you

 

[Bones0]

The options I can tell are:
1. You get hit by both lasers (obviously bad).
2. Your powershield hits him before the second laser comes out and he simply regrabs the ledge (usually pretty disorienting though).
3. You unshield after the power shield and you both get hit by a laser.
4. You take the first laser and power shield the second (or at least I think this is possible...).
5. You powershield both like a boss.
6. You miss the power shield (not really bad; you can get a lot of grabs like that).

The few things I actually use are:
1. Shield grab him.
2. Get on the side platform and drop through with an aerial as he lands on the stage.
3. Power shield fsmash (I don't actually do this, but I'd like to lol).

 

[noobird]

how long does invincibility last off the ledge? would it last into at least the beginning of the second laser if they're close to frame perfect? because then powershielding the first one would just hit an invincible falco lol >.>. I guess it would also depend on if they shoot low or high lasers since shooting low ones requires more time falling - so less invincibility on stage.

Anyway something that works a lot is just crouching - if they shoot high stock is gone; if they shoot low I *think* you can take the first one and still hit them before they shoot the second one. maybe. hasn't happened to me in a while but I know I've been hit out of my second laser before >.>

 

[Bones0]

Yeah, you could probably ftilt or dsmash after taking the first laser.

 

[Squirt]

Thanks for the replies guys.
I'm actually not really good at po.wershielding during play, but it's coming along

 

[4 Aces]

Are you guys talking about ledge hop double lasers? Or running off the stage, then double jumping into double lasers? I'm thinking it's the former, but I'm not sure.

 

[Bones0]

Are you guys talking about ledge hop double lasers? Or running off the stage, then double jumping into double lasers? I'm thinking it's the former, but I'm not sure.

Yeah, LHDLs. Everything pretty much applies the same to run off DJDLs though.

 

[noobird]

I think the situations would be different - LHDL can be used even if the person is close to the edge whereas run off DJDLs wouldn't usually be used in that situation since you get no invincibility from running off and . . . you're kinda throwing yourself off the stage lol. But yeah you can definitely use any of the tactics to get around LHDLs for DJDLs too