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playing humans........ fml

shaxstax

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 5, 2014
Messages
66
Location
fort erie ontario
i know this is bad but i rarely play humans on a regular basis and develop bad habits when playing cpus. its hard fro me to make it to tournaments due to lack of rides and only a few other people play in my community . i try to just practice tech but truth be told it gets super boring and i always end up playing against level 7-5 cpus anyway . any tips on some how adapting to playing humans with out actually playing them ? i know this is very very broad and general but any advice would help . just as an example we all know not to shield grab but on cpus it actually works a lot and can be done , this is just one of the things that has made me develop bad habits that eventually i have to break .
 

Pauer

The Pauerful
Moderator
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Dec 25, 2013
Messages
598
Location
Linz, Austria
Good that you notice yourself developing bad habits because you are and always will be as long as you mainly fight against computers. The main problem with them is that they will always do the same thing as in they only move towards you, always attack at certain ranges, etc.

You can use them as training if you know how to put their actions into context, knowing that they do limited things and see it as a situational training (e.g. PPMD mentioned baiting out attacks while dash-dancing close to them). But it requires quite some understanding and skill to do that very effectively which is why you should stick to raw techskill.

Since melee is a competetive game, there are two or more players on stage, meaning that the game is about the interaction of two players. At home you can do your best to understand the "single-person" sides of the game, that don't require a live opponent like practicing combos on the 20XX hack pack. You can look at how the engine works through Kadano's Melee Mechanics series or look at frame data, see how shield pressure works, etc.

However you will need someone else to understand what having two players really means, how both players want to gain advantages, how you need to bait your opponent with that in mind, how ambiguity is important in everything you do and how reaction time plays a role in that.
These are things that you cannot learn, they need to be explored practically - with a partner - and there's no way around it.
 
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Play Melee online through Dolphin or other fighting games. They'll help teach you the (human vs human) strategic aspect of the game. You'll learn mix ups and prediction pretty well
 
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MagicScrumpy

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Feb 25, 2015
Messages
251
Location
Ann Arbor, Michigan
Netplay is decent for working on mind-games and stuff. I don't really like it since I feel like I can't do that much in the way of execution most of the time due to lag, and the mind-game practice isn't really amazing since so many ladder players are terrible.
 
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