Plan after taking a stock?

[Denjinpachi]

Sorry the question seems so vague, but when your opponent is coming back in after they lose a stock, what's the best way to go about repositioning on the stage? should I try to maintain the middle, should I sit on a platform and try to move around them? (Battlefield is the example stage im thinking of for this general question) Should I hangout on the ledge?

 

[EPsilon933]

Moving to a platform may trick them into landing on the same platform. Then you just drop down to the main floor and keep running for 1 more second to let their invincibility expire. That's just 1 trick I know. If you don't abuse it too much, dodging can help you avoid grabs/hits too

Hanging on the ledge is risky. If you know your opponent falls for gimp setups, exploit them until they figure it out. If it fails, you could die

 

[Denjinpachi]

Moving to a platform may trick them into landing on the same platform. Then you just drop down to the main floor and keep running for 1 more second to let their invincibility expire. That's just 1 trick I know. If you don't abuse it too much, dodging can help you avoid grabs/hits too

Hanging on the ledge is risky. If you know your opponent falls for gimp setups, exploit them until they figure it out. If it fails, you could die

So is it better to try to just be mobile in general to burn out their invulnerability? I mean, standing still obviously is bad, but is it better to try to get past them, or bait them to waste movement and time?

 

[EPsilon933]

So is it better to try to just be mobile in general to burn out their invulnerability? I mean, standing still obviously is bad, but is it better to try to get past them, or bait them to waste movement and time?

The goal is to let their invincibility run out. Running away can work best against slow movers. Running passed them can work best against fast ones. Don't always use the theoretical best options because your opponent will know what you'll do to try to avoid them. Invincibility lasts only like 2 seconds, so the game of staying away will only last a few moves

 

[GenNyan]

You can also try to bait them into doing something risky and punish when they lose invincibility. That kinda falls into the hang on ledge category. I see that you play falco, so you better be very confident in your invincible ledge stalls if you wanna hang on the ledge. However as falco you gain the mixup of abusing your vertical speed to escape them via platforms.

 

[Denjinpachi]

You can also try to bait them into doing something risky and punish when they lose invincibility. That kinda falls into the hang on ledge category. I see that you play falco, so you better be very confident in your invincible ledge stalls if you wanna hang on the ledge. However as falco you gain the mixup of abusing your vertical speed to escape them via platforms.

I can see how that'd be useful. I'd have marked that I play both lylat characters, but there was no room on the "mains" option. x)

 

[Ladder]

I just move around and be everywhere so they get confused where to go, if it fails I can just shield.
Although I do like planking the ledge more when I'm at my last stock

 

[F. Stein]

Depends on the matchup and the mindset of your opponent and what percentage you are at.

I am a Ganon main, I typically get the pleasure of playing Marth or spacies on battlefiled. If I haven't taken much damage I'll typically wait till they drop then perfect waveland to take the ledge. Invicible regrabs that they can't do anything about until their invincibility wears off. That alone is usually enough to be frustrating if they remain calm then I can reclaim the stage in any number of ways to include invincible ledge dash.

If they get mad and frustrated then you can take advantage of that to get an early stock. Usually I can do this by using Ganon's invincible grab from the ledge frames. Take a look at your character, analyze the most safe/annoying option that you have. If you play someone that can regrab safely to stall invincible frames then see if you have the proper tools/skill to exploit that and make their invincibility frames.

The first thought that will probably go through your head when you get a stock up is that you want to keep it. That is a good goal. However, don't become focused on that to the point that it affects your playstyle and robs you of the advantage that you established. If possible, create a goal of taking a second stock before he can take one of yours. Make the goal of dealing a certain amount of percentage if you have no way to take the stock. Turn little advantages into big advantages so that your micro decisions help to contribute to a macro goal.

 

[Denjinpachi]

You can also try to bait them into doing something risky and punish when they lose invincibility. That kinda falls into the hang on ledge category. I see that you play falco, so you better be very confident in your invincible ledge stalls if you wanna hang on the ledge. However as falco you gain the mixup of abusing your vertical speed to escape them via platforms.

So it definitely seems like, as falco, I have to establish a good point on the stage, or be competent in the risk of ledge stalling. Got it. Would you say its relatively the same for Fox?

I just move around and be everywhere so they get confused where to go, if it fails I can just shield.
Although I do like planking the ledge more when I'm at my last stock

What exactly is planking? Im unfamiliar with the term.

Depends on the matchup and the mindset of your opponent and what percentage you are at.

I am a Ganon main, I typically get the pleasure of playing Marth or spacies on battlefiled. If I haven't taken much damage I'll typically wait till they drop then perfect waveland to take the ledge. Invicible regrabs that they can't do anything about until their invincibility wears off. That alone is usually enough to be frustrating if they remain calm then I can reclaim the stage in any number of ways to include invincible ledge dash.

If they get mad and frustrated then you can take advantage of that to get an early stock. Usually I can do this by using Ganon's invincible grab from the ledge frames. Take a look at your character, analyze the most safe/annoying option that you have. If you play someone that can regrab safely to stall invincible frames then see if you have the proper tools/skill to exploit that and make their invincibility frames.

The first thought that will probably go through your head when you get a stock up is that you want to keep it. That is a good goal. However, don't become focused on that to the point that it affects your playstyle and robs you of the advantage that you established. If possible, create a goal of taking a second stock before he can take one of yours. Make the goal of dealing a certain amount of percentage if you have no way to take the stock. Turn little advantages into big advantages so that your micro decisions help to contribute to a macro goal.

Right, so I wanna try to get the most out of my investment, so to say. Try to add on damage, or ultimately take stocks without losing them.

 

[F. Stein]

Yes, exactly.

Get the most out of every investment so that you can increase their frustration and solidify your lead. A lot of people in smash are susceptible to tilt and you can create the illusion of being much better than you are, causing them to play progressively worse.

 

[Denjinpachi]

Yes, exactly.

Get the most out of every investment so that you can increase their frustration and solidify your lead. A lot of people in smash are susceptible to tilt and you can create the illusion of being much better than you are, causing them to play progressively worse.

I can see that. More presence in a mental warfare can be ridiculously beneficial.