Pivot Fsmash vs WD back Fsmash

[Magellan]

I have had difficulty finding frame data for this. I have always WD back but you can't fsmash until the WD is over. It's a little slow. I was experiencing with pivot fmsash and I got some good spacing with it and speed. It seems faster. What do you guys think about this?

 

[Big Daddy Josh]

Pivot Fmash is definitely faster and you're still able to use it to avoid an attack and hit it. It's definitely harder to perform than a wavedash back Fmash, but if you practice and get it down consistent, I think it is definitely a better option. Just like with anything though. mix-ups are always a good idea.

 

[Magellan]

It seemed definitely the better option. Examining the elements of the dash are fascinating. Thanks for the reply!

 

[FE_Hector]

There's no doubt in my mind that the pivot is faster, but you'll definitely have to practice. TBH, though, it only took me like 10 mins to get near 100% pivot fsmash success rate with my Marth. It's nowhere near as difficult as it sounds even though it's technically a 1-frame reaction

 

[OninO]

It's not a 1-frame reaction, it'd be more accurate to call it a 1-frame link. You're not reacting to anything, it's a well defined timing.

 

[FE_Hector]

But you know what I mean. Either way it's a 1 frame window

 

[OninO]

I do, I know what you mean, and I'm being kind of pedantic here but I think it's somewhat important because strictly speaking, a 1 frame reaction is impossible, but a 1 frame timing is just difficult.

 

[FE_Hector]

Nah, you're good. I just kinda considered it a 1-frame reaction because you've got a 1-frame window in which the pivot _____ is possible. You're totally right though.