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pacman,villiger, and mii the only newcomers

soviet prince

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What if the e3 rumor leak was all the newcomers not just the ones going to be revealed at e3? I am currently worried that it may be true with the abundance of veterans being confirmed since then and no newcomers. Newcomers is what makes the game and just 6 new characters will make the game seem more like a expansion then a full fledge sequel.
 

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Eh, don't worry, truth is that by the time these 3 potential newcomers were "leaked" there'd still be a handful of newcomers who likely wouldn't be far enough in development to be properly showcased. Remember, the leak said that Pac-Man, Little Mac and Mii were going to be revealed at E3 too, which means that if the leak is true they must have been pulled out of the plan at some point for whatever reason. If these 3 character really are in the game, then they're probably ready to be showcased, but haven't had the opportunity to yet. There are most definitely more newcomers beyond that which aren't ready to be showcased yet.

Rest assured that we're getting more than 6 newcomers, Sakurai knows just as well as we do that they're what sells this game.
 

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First, you have do first believe the rumor is real. Any for of general skepticism will tell you the rumor is bogus. So already you are going down a faulty thought path.

The other thing is that you can look back at the games and see Sakurai adds far more than 6 characters. Melee added 13 where Brawl added about 16. So 6 seems unlikely. Remember that during Brawl there was a large gap between the newcomers. We didn't see Ike until a year after the initial reveal.
 

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To tell you the truth this wouldn't be too far from what we might get at the end. Most people would be satisfied with these newcomers along with the current ones, and besides, this would open room for more polishment of the game.
 

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Newcomers revealed closer to launch to maximize hype. Common sense, bud.
 

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The other thing is that you can look back at the games and see Sakurai adds far more than 6 characters. Melee added 13 where Brawl added about 16. So 6 seems unlikely. Remember that during Brawl there was a large gap between the newcomers. We didn't see Ike until a year after the initial reveal.
Brawl is a pretty bad comparison though. When it was revealed during E3 2006, there wasn't anything else but what we saw in the trailer, nothing beyond that was finished. In a whole year we didn't get anything but a single veteran reveal, which was Fox. When the Dojo launched, it took about a month or less until Ike was revealed.

Furthermore, Sakurai has been hinting that we're getting less newcomers this time, you're setting yourself up for dissapointment if you're expecting 16 newcomers again. However, 6 is aiming way way too low, we're probably getting an amount somewhere around 10, that'd be my guess at least.
 

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To tell you the truth this wouldn't be too far from what we might get at the end. Most people would be satisfied with these newcomers along with the current ones, and besides, this would open room for more polishment of the game.
No they wouldn't. The top 7 most popular characters worldwide are: Palutena, Little Mac, Ridley, King K Rool, Shulk, Dixie Kong, and Chrom. That list looks like it's 1-6.
 

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I do believe the rumor could be real due to wii fit trainer being revealed.
 

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I do believe the rumor could be real due to wii fit trainer being revealed.
That doesn't mean anything. First of all, he has no credibility as a source. Second, the WFT, as obscure and shocking as it was, made perfect sense, and anyone that looks at ALL of Nintendo would see her. Why we didn't see her is beyond me.
 

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That doesn't mean anything. First of all, he has no credibility as a source. Second, the WFT, as obscure and shocking as it was, made perfect sense, and anyone that looks at ALL of Nintendo would see her. Why we didn't see her is beyond me.
It's because our concept of what a character is.

Two things to consider. First, the rules are still being written. When looking at SSB4, fans looked at Melee and Brawl. While those rules work, they are not foolproof. There is lots of things that aren't set. Second, Nintendo took a different direction with the Wii than the other consoles. Since Smash has been based on past generations, we used the same rules. So WFT never seemed like a chose since there really isn't a concrete character there. We also had Sakurai who was saying that some characters weren't fit for Smash. People brought this character up before (someone linked to some GameFAQ threads where she was suggested), but because of the following, it would have never been taken seriously. There is also the fact that a lot of Smash players never touched Wii Fit. As you mentioned, the source doesn't have much of a case. He posted his predictions and when half were right he claimed he had inside information. Think of it like this. All of here talk about this subject all the time, so we think in a box. This guy didn't so he was able to get some characters right that we either ruled out or didn't think of.
 
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So one unexpected character means that they wont add popular characters right.
I'm saying smash isn't simply a popularity contest. Just look at the characters they have added throughout smashes history. Ice Climbers, Game & Watch, Pit, Wario, Pokemon Trainer, ROB, Zero Suit Samus, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Ness. Many of these characters were not even thought to be playable. If it was a popularity based enrollment process the game would be filled with Mario, Zelda, Pokemon and Fire Emblem characters.
 

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I'm saying smash isn't simply a popularity contest. Just look at the characters they have added throughout smashes history. Ice Climbers, Game & Watch, Pit, Wario, Pokemon Trainer, ROB, Zero Suit Samus, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Ness. Many of these characters were not even thought to be playable. If it was a popularity based enrollment process the game would be filled with Mario, Zelda, Pokemon and Fire Emblem characters.
And look at who they did add to Smash

Melee: Mewtwo, Marth (in Japan), Peach, Bowser, Ganondorf and Falco were all highly requested.
Brawl: Meta-Knight, King Dedede, Lucas (in Japan), Wario, Diddy Kong, Wolf, Olimar, Sonic and Lucario were all highly requested.

They tend to add the most popular request.
 

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which makes me wonder why he still putting ridley as a lousy stage hazard :(
 
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And look at who they did add to Smash

Melee: Mewtwo, Marth (in Japan), Peach, Bowser, Ganondorf and Falco were all highly requested.
Brawl: Meta-Knight, King Dedede, Lucas (in Japan), Wario, Diddy Kong, Wolf, Olimar, Sonic and Lucario were all highly requested.

They tend to add the most popular request.
You got any data to back that up for Brawl? Because according to Sakurai Wario was one of the least liked characters among the ones selected, and Sonic was a last minute request. I don't feel as if those characters are more popular, rather they are trending characters or characters added because of recent game iterations.
 

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I think it was probably just those 6 were ready to be shown, far enough in development. remmeber when brawl was first shown we got i think pit wario zero suit snake and metaknight... it was stuff like that that ended up making brawl underwhelming when it came out:

too many new characters were shown over a year in advance, sonic like 6 months in advance so his hype had died down by the release, by the time the game came out i think only toon link and wolf were actually "new unrevealed" characters and it was disappointing cause everyone thought "if this is what they are showing theres gotta be like 10 more they aren't!" and that wasnt the case.

sakurais learning from his mistakes im guessing mii little mac pac man wii fit mega man and villager were all ready to go and sakurai was either prepared to just pick 3 of those to show or last minute decided it would be best to slowly reveal them over time.

I mean if say those are the only newcomers that get revealed before the game comes out (spread out over a year or so until the games out) the super hype with people discovering say ridley is in on the launch of the game will be huge and probably up sales much more than revealing something like that month in advance.

pacman and megaman would probably be contractually obligated to be revealed prior to promote their franchises/companies mii's if customizable would want to be shown early to showcase that, wii fit trainer was probablly choosen to be shown early so people could warm up to her and then villager and mac are just good newcomer reveals that i dont think the majority of people would be "hyped" about (i am but thats me) so the more "hyped" nintendo new comers could possibly be saved until the game actually comes out or very close to its release anyway.

again just seems like the right way to promote sales and learn from the mistakes of brawl.
 

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which makes me wonder why he still putting ridley as a lousy stage hazard :(
Except that he isn't.

Have you seen him as a stage hazard? No. He isn't a stage hazard, else we'd have seen him in one of the 10 or so Pyrosphere pictures we have so far. Sakurai's quote simply referred to how Ridley leaps out so suddenly in Other M, he always makes a comment about what happens in the original game the stages are from.

You got any data to back that up for Brawl? Because according to Sakurai Wario was one of the least liked characters among the ones selected, and Sonic was a last minute request. I don't feel as if those characters are more popular, rather they are trending characters or characters added because of recent game iterations.
Wario was #4 on the Melee poll, and was probably the most requested Nintendo character for Brawl. The thing that was met with skepticism was his WarioWare design.

Every character except R.O.B and ZSS was requested to some extent for Brawl, even Lucas, so don't fool yourself, requested characters are what takes up the majority of slots.
 

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You got any data to back that up for Brawl? Because according to Sakurai Wario was one of the least liked characters among the ones selected, and Sonic was a last minute request. I don't feel as if those characters are more popular, rather they are trending characters or characters added because of recent game iterations.
There is no hard and fast data (though Sonic was #1 on the poll they did). What you are referring to is AFTER the reveal. Wario didn't go over as well, but many people wanted the classic Wario.

If you were here during the pre-Brawl days, you would have seen those characters come up often. Wario was popular since Melee.
 

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Anything but a mii character. This game was seeming like it was gonna be good.
Having a playable Mii won't ruin the game. Like it or not, Miis are official Nintendo characters and a part of Nintendo's history. Especially now that SSB4 will focus on the Wii, as Smash games celebrate the previous generation.

I'm not saying with absolute certainty that there will be a playable Mii (Nor am I one to say I'd be really happy to see them, I'm rather more indifferent to them. I don't care if they're playable or not, I will just be surprised more so if they're not then if they are). But I'm willing to say it's almost inevitable, and people like you who think that Miis being put in the roster means "death of the franchise" are ignoring that Miis are just another character. One character won't make a game any less fun.
 

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People overlooked WFT just like they did ROB and G&W. By appearance, she's just a character. But the background behind Wii Fit actually shows that the series is quite commendable. Kind of how all characters have been chosen- each hold some form of significance.

And obviously Mii being present would instantly ruin everything good showed so far.
Some aspects of a game can be ruined due to a character's appearance.
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