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vs ? I'd imagine pretty freaking terrible. It's pretty much one of the only if not the only matchup Mario has that is positive instead of neutral.
99 - 1 in Mario's favor.How bad is
vs. anyone.
vs.vs. 
gets my vote as most lopsided in the whole game. on FD is pretty close.I disagree. Mario is a top 10 character. He beats lots of characters.How bad is
for sure just to name a few.
Lucie? Nah, not really. Marcina is one of those somewhat awkward matchups for Mario, where it's not necessarily bad but not very optimal. All of their options outrange Mario and they can kill him much earlier than he can kill them, and due to their weight and floatiness, Mario needs different and somewhat less efficient combos against them. Due to how slow they are in this game, the matchup is not as one-sided as it was in Brawl or as catastrophic as it was in Melee, but it's still kind of in Marcina's favour.
I disagree. Mario is a top 10 character. He beats lots of characters. [...]
He does have a lot of 60:40 MUs in his favor. His all around even MU is what makes him top 10, though.
I disagree. Mario is a top 10 character. He beats lots of characters.
I think that
I disagree. Mario is a top 10 character. He beats lots of characters.
vs. is more lopsided than , purely because all Sheik has to do is camp with needles, lacking any commitment whatsoever. If Sheik were to get in on Ganon, then Ganon has absolutely nothing to get her off. At least with Ganon ZSS, Ganon can somewhat intercept ZSS' linear neutral with f-air and n-air, and can kill ZSS insanely early from a whiffed grab by her part. They're both still terrible MUs for Ganon though. vs. being the most lopsided MU in the game, next to vs. .
Good points. Mac sheik is horrible, but I wouldn't list it as one of the worst in game. It requires skill from the sheik player, and mistakes are heavily punished. Mac is too fast to get camped that well by needles so she kind of has to go in and put herself at risk despite being able to carry him off stage with fairs. Also super armor on all of macs smashes can lend to some very favorable trades for mac.I think that
I'd also vouch for
Goddamn, that was bad...
MUs are against the top/high tiers. vs | wins 60:40 vs | wins 55:45 vs | wins 70:30 vs | Even 50:50 vs | Even 50:50 vs | wins 55:45 vs | Even 50:50 vs | wins 60:40 vs | wins 55:45 vs | wins 70:30 vs | wins 55:45 vs | wins 55:45 vs | wins 55:45 vs | Even 50:50 vs | Even 50:50 vs | wins 55:45 vs | wins 55:45 vs | wins 60:40 vs | Even 50:50
This is completely unrelated to this thread. What's the point?I'm going to list what my opinion of
If you read it you would know. Villager and Rosa both win 70:30 which is pretty big. Obviously we can list low tier characters like Shulk and say how badly he loses to Sheik but doesn't everybody know that?
Ok, well you could have shown only those MUs instead of making a giant pointless list. It was very misleading and looked like spam. Next time, just think about how you compose a post.
vs. any character without a quick aerial escape option. Feel sorry for you, .
Every time I picture that image I feel all warm and fuzzy.
I disagree. Mario is a top 10 character. He beats lots of characters.
Funnily enough, the Ganon vs. MK mu isn't even that bad for Ganon.
Explain your reasoning.
You dont really come across good MKs often but i know how brutal it can be...because you are never ready for it...
Mario-Dorf is pretty even. Also Zero Suit is definitely easier for Ganon than Sheik, Pika, Villager, or Greninja. Ganon-Greninja actually might be one of the worst MUs in the game. Greninja can camp, run away, gimp, and kill really well. It's like fighting a heavier Sheik with a Pika-like low to the ground hurtbox. Sheik might still be harder, but Greninja really is rough. MK feels manageable for Dorf. Obviously sometimes you're simply going to get caught in Uairs but otherwise Dorf outranges MK and kills really fast.
I disagree. Mario is a top 10 character. He beats lots of characters.
That's why MK is so good. Almost anything can set up into something deadly and before you know it you're dead. Everyone should know his power!
Every MU seems to be the worst for Mac...As a Mac main, I hate
Not all of them, fortunately.Every MU seems to be the worst for Mac...
By the way, what's Mac's best MU?
Heavies (except DDD) and some of the lighter characters. Obviously, we'll get abused by projectile/long-range characters though.
