GrayGray4468
Smash Cadet
I've been trying to practice my Oos stuff, but I just can't get the hang of it. Can someone please explain it in full detail to me?
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Out of Shield Training
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Gidy
Smash Lord
Go in training mode as Mario, set the speed to 1/4.
The only things you can do OOS are aerials, specials, and Usmash.
As Mario, shield and unshield while spamming up on your Cstick. You will notice a small delay before Mario begins his Usmash, which is the 7 frames of a shield dropping.
Next, hold shield again. If you have tap jump ON, then do a Usmash while in shield with your control stick. Notice how there is no delay for the shield to drop, the move just activates instantaneously. If you have tap jump OFF, you will need to jump before Usmashing, easily done with a Cstick. So you would shield, jump, and press Up on your Cstick before your character jumps. It is the same thing as doing it with tap jump on. (I personally set jump to one of my triggers so this would be easier, since I play with tap jump off.)
You can do the same thing with specials and aerials, except I think Up B just negates the shield drop lag and does the grounded version of the move, similar to Usmash OOS. The others, like Nair OOS and Side Special OOS are just jumping out of shield and using them in the air, albeit still very good options.
And that's what OOS is. 7 Frames of shield drop lag isn't much, especially in a game that's not as precise and Melee, but I find at high level when you're fighting characters that are fast as hell like Sheik and Pikachu you are going to need everything you have to punish those characters' whiffed attacks.
The only things you can do OOS are aerials, specials, and Usmash.
As Mario, shield and unshield while spamming up on your Cstick. You will notice a small delay before Mario begins his Usmash, which is the 7 frames of a shield dropping.
Next, hold shield again. If you have tap jump ON, then do a Usmash while in shield with your control stick. Notice how there is no delay for the shield to drop, the move just activates instantaneously. If you have tap jump OFF, you will need to jump before Usmashing, easily done with a Cstick. So you would shield, jump, and press Up on your Cstick before your character jumps. It is the same thing as doing it with tap jump on. (I personally set jump to one of my triggers so this would be easier, since I play with tap jump off.)
You can do the same thing with specials and aerials, except I think Up B just negates the shield drop lag and does the grounded version of the move, similar to Usmash OOS. The others, like Nair OOS and Side Special OOS are just jumping out of shield and using them in the air, albeit still very good options.
And that's what OOS is. 7 Frames of shield drop lag isn't much, especially in a game that's not as precise and Melee, but I find at high level when you're fighting characters that are fast as hell like Sheik and Pikachu you are going to need everything you have to punish those characters' whiffed attacks.
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YoshiYoshi
Smash Apprentice
One way that I train my OoS options is to go to training, stand in shield, and observe the range on each of my air attacks when jumped out of shield.
I observe that Nair OoS can cover my body well, or even a little space in front or behind if I push it forward or pull it back. I observe that SH Fair OoS has slightly more range than my F-smash when I hold forward all the way, or I can cover the space in front of me if I pull it back. I observe that full hop Bair covers a wide arc of space in the air OoS, but I cannot hit opponents on the ground with Bair OoS. I observe that SH Dair OoS is pretty quick and can cover opponents who get tripped up bellow my jump. My jump canceled up-smash is pretty good, but when I switch to my secondary Falco, it's more or less restricted to air opponents. Stuff like that.
Also, remember you can air-dodge out of shield.
While shielded, tap or hold jump (for SH or FH), quickly release shield then quickly press shield again. You cannot continue holding shield and air-dodge with grab, you'll get a nair (or maybe a zair if you have one of those).
It might sound silly to air-dodge out of shield, but it's a defensive maneuver that has applications.
I observe that Nair OoS can cover my body well, or even a little space in front or behind if I push it forward or pull it back. I observe that SH Fair OoS has slightly more range than my F-smash when I hold forward all the way, or I can cover the space in front of me if I pull it back. I observe that full hop Bair covers a wide arc of space in the air OoS, but I cannot hit opponents on the ground with Bair OoS. I observe that SH Dair OoS is pretty quick and can cover opponents who get tripped up bellow my jump. My jump canceled up-smash is pretty good, but when I switch to my secondary Falco, it's more or less restricted to air opponents. Stuff like that.
Also, remember you can air-dodge out of shield.
While shielded, tap or hold jump (for SH or FH), quickly release shield then quickly press shield again. You cannot continue holding shield and air-dodge with grab, you'll get a nair (or maybe a zair if you have one of those).
It might sound silly to air-dodge out of shield, but it's a defensive maneuver that has applications.
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