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One Humble Fan's Analysis

DynamiteSpoony

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Yeah, yeah, I know, this has been done a thousand times before. But hey, I'm bored and in the mood to analyse some things. So why not some potential Brawl characters? (Please note that this is purely speculation, and in no way is what I say absolute truth. Want proof? Before his out-of-nowhere confirmation, I thought the PT would be too complicated to be a proper playable character. Well, I've learned from that...>_>)

Now I'm not going to analyze EVERYONE. This is NOT a "What I think the roster should be" thread. If I don't know anything about them, I'm not going to make any judgements about whether they should or shouldn't be in Brawl. This means no Sukapon, Takamaru, Stafy, Olimar, Midna, Isaac, K. Rool and anyone from FE. Don't get offended, I'm doing this for your sake.

Okay, here I go.

Ridley: Hoo boy, this oughta be a lot of fun. I'll say this right now: Getting Ridley to work as a playable character will most certainly NOT be the easiest thing in the world to do. His design is similar to Charizard, but more elongated, and even the most ardent Ridley fan has to admit that it will be more than a bit awkward to get his mechanics down just right. However, it can, and at the rate things are going now, WILL be done. It's impossible to ignore his popularity, seeing as his name pops up everywhere and his solid four "votes" on that ever-so-influential "poll" stickied on these boards (Which I've been told is actually mentions in Sakurai's journal). Not to mention this game's desperate need for both more villians AND more Metroid. Since Ridley is the most reoccuring character in the series other than Samus herself, he obviously makes more sense than, say, Dark Samus or one of the Hunters. Take also into account the fact that unlike Dark Samus, he has NO clone-like attributes to him whatsoever, giving him a better first impression to people not familiar with the Metroid series, and though a bit awkward, would bring an entirely new style of play to the Brawl scene. At the VERY worst, he'll be a boss. An awesome boss at that.

High demand and tasty new flavor for the SSB collection? Things are looking good for the purple dinosaur.

Krystal:I'm going to be frank about this: You'd have to be an idiot to not see this coming. Every bit of evidence up to this point pretty much says that Krystal is confirmed. Sakurai said the game needs more playable females. Right now, all the girls from Melee are back (not counting Jigglypuff), so who's the next logical choice? And really, how many more girls are there to realistically choose from? Krystal, Michaeh (Did I spell that right?), and possibly Lip. Krystal is also the only playable female in the Star Fox series, and she's also the only Star Fox character that has no possibility of being a Fox clone, thanks to her staff-wielding abilities. This isn't even mentioning the whole voice-actor-leak thing. Why else would it have been removed so quickly?

Face it, Krystal's basically confirmed. If she's not, I will eat all my DS games. Without milk.

And just to get it out of the way, if Falco comes back, Wolf is toast. There's simply not enough variety between the non-Krystal SF characters for them both to make it and neither be clones. Personally, I'd rather have Wolf, but it's completely up in the air for now.

Claus: Now I admit, I've never played Mother 3, and have done my best to keep from spoiling the plot for myself (I already know about Porky, so it's mostly been in vain.) My analysis is based on my knowledge of the other Mother games. Any characters from the original Mother are out of the question, seeing as their characteristics were all duplicated in Mother 2 (AKA Earthbound). There's only two characters in Earthbound that won't be Ness/Lucas clones, Jeff and Poo. Jeff has the advantage out of those two, because he made the poll, AND got the same amount of votes as Lucas AND Claus. But here's the thing: Brawl seems to be heavily tilted towards more Mother 3 influence, as the only thing even remotely Earthbound-related so far has been the accidental Snowman/Snow Wood Boarding School music confirmation. And let's face it: If Ness won't make it, why would Jeff? I know his moveset would be awesome, but it's just not going to happen, sadly. But let's get back to Mother 3. From what I've seen, the only threat to Claus's playable status is Kumatora. Once again I retreat to the "moar villians" standpoint and say that Claus has the edge. With the Mother series' influence in Japan, it wouldn't suprise me too much to see them both make it, honestly.

Plus, he looks so **** awesome. And like Ridley, at worst he'll be a boss. CLAUS FOR BRAWL!

Geno: Ah, yes, Geno. The name that launched a thousand flame wars. Despite my sig, I am NOT a fangirl. However I do believe this little doll will make the cut. There's several factors that save him from going in the "awesome but impossible" bin, the biggest being his collosal fanbase and the insane amount of times he's been requested. There's also the fact that he's sandwiched between THREE confirmed characters on the poll. Sakurai has mentioned him several times, and has even been reported as asking around to find out more about the character. One can argue that he won't make it because he wasn't the main character of SMRPG. This doesn't make sense, because everyone who's actually had their own game is already in (Luigi's coming back. There's no way he won't), and Geno is easily the most iconic of the Mario RPG characters (This is NOT counting Paper Mario, who I don't think should be playable for the sake of variety). Dr. Mario's gone for sure, so why would Nintendo leave its biggest series with only four characters? Realistically the only threat to Geno's playable status is Bowser Jr., but thanks to the power of fanbase and diversity, I'd say Geno's chances are considerably better. Also, untrue to popular belief, Geno is NOT a true 3rd party character. Even IF Nintendo has to pay Square for his use in the game, he still counts as a Mario character, meaning his inclusion won't take away from Megaman or Bomberman's chances. If someone could get me that link showing Geno's legal situation, it would be much appreciated! :D

For the sake of balance, I'll cut off the Geno argument here. He's such a controversial character that there's a thousand arguments for and against him. And I think the folks over at the Official Geno Thread have said them over and over again. If provoked or requested, though I will post more. But for now, I'll move on.

Waluigi: Yuck. How can anyone honestly support this guy? Since when has he EVER done anything remotely unique? He's living proof that the number of games a character's been in doesn't matter. He's been in tons of games, but only as filler. Want proof? How come he has yet to even be mentioned in a Wario Ware game? Or a Wario Bros. type deal? The only game that he's actually done anything on his own in was DDR: Mario Mix, which was as a game little more than filler.

I'd rather have Toadsworth playable than Waluigi.

EDIT! Heeeeeere's ASHLEY!

Ashley: Now, I love Wario Ware as much as the next person, but honestly, I don't think Ashley will be playable. Sure, she could have a very fun moveset and would be an interesting character overall, but the biggest factor is her fanbase is largely too little, too late. You see, no one really gave a crap about Ashley's inclusion in Brawl until after her theme was announced, like it was evidence that the folks down at the Dojo were going to surprise us with a playable Ashley. To be honest, it confirms her as much as K.K. Rider confirms K.K. Slider: Not at all. Think back to all the Wario Ware games you've ever played. Now tell me, which is the only song you can remember? Or really, the only character to have a theme song AT ALL?! There's your answer. Besides, if they wanted another Wario Ware character, they'd pick someone that's been in all of the games, like Jimmy T. or Mona. Hell, even Dr. Crygor. Not to mention they already missed the perfect day to announce her (I speak, of course, of Halloween).

Now, this doesn't mean Ashley won't appear at least somewhere in the game. She's actually pretty likely as an AT or even a boss. Just not playable.

Coming soon: Lucario, Megaman, and....whoever else I can think of between now and then!
 

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TL;DR im gonna assume its like the others so

flameflameflameflameflameflameflameflameflameflame
 

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Let's see:

Ridley- I agree, Ridley is pretty much a definite.

Krystal- I wish I could agree with you, but I still have some doubts about Krystal making it as a playable character. The probability is still moderately high, though.

Claus- Actually, hasn't Lucas basically already taken all of Kumatora's moves? She doesn't really have a chance. I don't know much about Claus, except that he is you know who, so I can't say much about him. I would like to see Pokey as a character, actually. I don't know what he would do, but he makes a good antagonist. I need to play Mother 3 soon...

Geno- I don't really care much about Geno. I suppose he would make a good addition, as long as he doesn't take a 3rd party spot.

Waluigi- Agreed.
 

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Claus- Actually, hasn't Lucas basically already taken all of Kumatora's moves?
Not quite. She has at least five other moves that haven't been stolen. Also, who's to say they can't share the same PK moves but are used differently. I mean, today's update implied this.
 

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Not quite. She has at least five other moves that haven't been stolen. Also, who's to say they can't share the same PK moves but are used differently. I mean, today's update implied this.
If that would've been implied or possible, Lucas would not use PK Fire, PK Thunder and PSI Magnet just like Ness uses them, not to mention PK Freeze works the same as PK Flash.
 

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Not quite. She has at least five other moves that haven't been stolen. Also, who's to say they can't share the same PK moves but are used differently. I mean, today's update implied this.
Well, what I got from it was that Lucas already represents Kumatora and Duster through his moves. That's why they gave him Kumatora's PK moves and Duster's snake. The same thing that they did with Ness in Melee by giving him Paula's moves.

Although, you could also argue that Lucas's moves wouldn't fit very well in Brawl.
 

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If that would've been implied or possible, Lucas would not use PK Fire, PK Thunder and PSI Magnet just like Ness uses them, not to mention PK Freeze works the same as PK Flash.
Well consider this: PK Fire and PK Magnet both work slightly different from Ness' method. Lucas' goes staright and it probably glides across as a pillar instead of a descending , and PK Magnet is only used on one side instead of being all around.
 

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I agree with your analysis overall. I have not major problems with the evidence you use since it is all we know about the characters and such.

However, I would like to pose a counter argument to Geno. Now, I realize that I am lighting my own fires by doing so, but that's a chance I'll take. Now where is that kerosene.....

Geno is popular among the members of the forum, a main character in Mario RPG, and unqiue, there is no debate there. However, when you look at the past rosters of the Super Smash Brothers games, you see obviously good guys and bad guys, stars and sidekicks, etc. What do they all have in common? All of the characters from the past games, are recognizable in either the U.S., Japan, or Europe. Obviously Mario is a big name and Link and DK, but Marth and Roy, for example were huge in Japan and like wise so is the Fire Emblem series. Basically, my point is, anyone who has played videogames will be able to tell you who Mario is, who Fox McCloud is, who Pichu is, who Mr. Game and Watch is, etc.

Everyone on this board can explain exactly who Geno is to the very last detail. Many of the members of this forum have played Mario RPG and thus understand his signifcance in the game. However, I pose the question, is Geno recognized enough by the fans to secure a roster spot in Super Smash Brothers Brawl? Let me continue with support for my argument, something I've noticed is rare among the certain individuals.

The concept of Super Smash Brothers is to unite Nintendo's all-star characters in one game. Thus far, this concept has been met. The game is developed for fans of all ages, experience, and knowledge of the characters and their games. Die hard fans of certain gaming series obviously are more likely to have more information about other characters than the general fan. A general fan, in my terms, is a person who plays video games, in this case, mainly Nintendo, but is not a player who plays often, or shows any particular favor to any one game or gaming series. In other words, a person who like video games. Diehard fans generally show favor to certain games and so forth. It was my understanding that Super Smash Brothers was created to bring characters that ALL types of fans could recognize. To many diehard fans or fans that are more knowledgable, Geno will be well known and received, but to the other kind of fan, the basic or non-diehard fan, there may be little interest in him.

Fans clearly have some say, the evidence is in Sakurai's poll and the appearances of King Dedede and Sonic. I guess I really don't have a counter argument, but rather a concern. That concern in my question: Is Geno, in terms of the video gaming community, recognized enough by the fans to earn a roster spot?

My personal belief, I think so. He seems to be well known and received by the members of this forum. I am not sure of outside of this forum. I obviously believe other people know of Geno, but is he as recongizable as say a character like Pac-Man, for arguments sake. Now ignoring the fact that PacMan is a 3rd party character, it seems clear that PacMan is known to more people than Geno. PacMan has stood the test of time and is easily an icon in the gaming community. If PacMan was a Nintendo rep, Geno would not have as a great a chance as he does now.
Still Geno is one of the more unique characters in terms of the Mario Series. He would obviously not be a clone of any kind and he would incorporate another part of Mario I think many under appreciate, the RPG game.
I too, as many other members of this forum feel, that Geno is the most likely and the most sensible choice to appear in Brawl. Yet one cannot ignore the fact that certain characters are more well known than he. For those that id not care for the PacMan example, let's examine Paper Mario.
Paper Mario, is a new Mario gaming series. It already has 3 or 4 games both for the Nintendo Game Cube and the Nintendo Wii out on the market. The success of the Paper Mario series is not anything compared to say something like Mario Party, which has 8 games, but nonetheless is still quite popular and successful. Paper Mario is well known by the new up and coming generations of young gamers, many of whom may have not experienced, NES, Super Nes, or even N64. While Paper Mario has appeared on the Game Cube and Wii, Geno, from what I read, has not appeared since the his role in the Super Mario RPG for the Super NES, for whatever reasons.

The bottomline is my posed questions:

1.) Is Geno, in terms of the video gaming community, recognized enough by the fans to earn a roster spot?
2.) Since his absences from the new games and consoles, does Geno have enough popularity to surpass newer characters like Paper Mario, Bowser Jr, and so forth and secure a roster spot for SSB: Brawl?
3.) Would the support of the "older" fan base, such as my self and others, be able to sway enough votes to get Geno in, or would the "younger" fan base simply out do us and pick a character they see as more popular or more identifiable.

Again I know Sakurai has the final say, but these are questions to keep in mind not about just Geno, but characters in general when we make predictions. I am confident that Sakurai probably asked himself similar questions when creating the characters rosters of the previous Super Smash Brothers games.

For all those that think I am anti-Geno, I am not. In fact, I am a supporter, but with concerns.

To DynamtieSpoony, once again, your analysis was fine, I have no "beef" with you. I do realize I have opened the gates of Hell, and I should be charred soon. I don't consider it flaming, but rather FLOODING, for all I am going to get are tears and complaints from those who believe Geno to be God, and not a videogame character. God forbid not everyone conforms to the same opinion.

Good post, take it easy,
--Raul
 

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I agree with your analysis overall. I have not major problems with the evidence you use since it is all we know about the characters and such.

However, I would like to pose a counter argument to Geno. Now, I realize that I am lighting my own fires by doing so, but that's a chance I'll take. Now where is that kerosene.....

Geno is popular among the members of the forum, a main character in Mario RPG, and unqiue, there is no debate there. However, when you look at the past rosters of the Super Smash Brothers games, you see obviously good guys and bad guys, stars and sidekicks, etc. What do they all have in common? All of the characters from the past games, are recognizable in either the U.S., Japan, or Europe. Obviously Mario is a big name and Link and DK, but Marth and Roy, for example were huge in Japan and like wise so is the Fire Emblem series. Basically, my point is, anyone who has played videogames will be able to tell you who Mario is, who Fox McCloud is, who Pichu is, who Mr. Game and Watch is, etc.

Everyone on this board can explain exactly who Geno is to the very last detail. Many of the members of this forum have played Mario RPG and thus understand his signifcance in the game. However, I pose the question, is Geno recognized enough by the fans to secure a roster spot in Super Smash Brothers Brawl? Let me continue with support for my argument, something I've noticed is rare among the certain individuals.

The concept of Super Smash Brothers is to unite Nintendo's all-star characters in one game. Thus far, this concept has been met. The game is developed for fans of all ages, experience, and knowledge of the characters and their games. Die hard fans of certain gaming series obviously are more likely to have more information about other characters than the general fan. A general fan, in my terms, is a person who plays video games, in this case, mainly Nintendo, but is not a player who plays often, or shows any particular favor to any one game or gaming series. In other words, a person who like video games. Diehard fans generally show favor to certain games and so forth. It was my understanding that Super Smash Brothers was created to bring characters that ALL types of fans could recognize. To many diehard fans or fans that are more knowledgable, Geno will be well known and received, but to the other kind of fan, the basic or non-diehard fan, there may be little interest in him.

Fans clearly have some say, the evidence is in Sakurai's poll and the appearances of King Dedede and Sonic. I guess I really don't have a counter argument, but rather a concern. That concern in my question: Is Geno, in terms of the video gaming community, recognized enough by the fans to earn a roster spot?

My personal belief, I think so. He seems to be well known and received by the members of this forum. I am not sure of outside of this forum. I obviously believe other people know of Geno, but is he as recongizable as say a character like Pac-Man, for arguments sake. Now ignoring the fact that PacMan is a 3rd party character, it seems clear that PacMan is known to more people than Geno. PacMan has stood the test of time and is easily an icon in the gaming community. If PacMan was a Nintendo rep, Geno would not have as a great a chance as he does now.
Still Geno is one of the more unique characters in terms of the Mario Series. He would obviously not be a clone of any kind and he would incorporate another part of Mario I think many under appreciate, the RPG game.
I too, as many other members of this forum feel, that Geno is the most likely and the most sensible choice to appear in Brawl. Yet one cannot ignore the fact that certain characters are more well known than he. For those that id not care for the PacMan example, let's examine Paper Mario.
Paper Mario, is a new Mario gaming series. It already has 3 or 4 games both for the Nintendo Game Cube and the Nintendo Wii out on the market. The success of the Paper Mario series is not anything compared to say something like Mario Party, which has 8 games, but nonetheless is still quite popular and successful. Paper Mario is well known by the new up and coming generations of young gamers, many of whom may have not experienced, NES, Super Nes, or even N64. While Paper Mario has appeared on the Game Cube and Wii, Geno, from what I read, has not appeared since the his role in the Super Mario RPG for the Super NES, for whatever reasons.

The bottomline is my posed questions:

1.) Is Geno, in terms of the video gaming community, recognized enough by the fans to earn a roster spot?
2.) Since his absences from the new games and consoles, does Geno have enough popularity to surpass newer characters like Paper Mario, Bowser Jr, and so forth and secure a roster spot for SSB: Brawl?
3.) Would the support of the "older" fan base, such as my self and others, be able to sway enough votes to get Geno in, or would the "younger" fan base simply out do us and pick a character they see as more popular or more identifiable.

Again I know Sakurai has the final say, but these are questions to keep in mind not about just Geno, but characters in general when we make predictions. I am confident that Sakurai probably asked himself similar questions when creating the characters rosters of the previous Super Smash Brothers games.

For all those that think I am anti-Geno, I am not. In fact, I am a supporter, but with concerns.

To DynamtieSpoony, once again, your analysis was fine, I have no "beef" with you. I do realize I have opened the gates of Hell, and I should be charred soon. I don't consider it flaming, but rather FLOODING, for all I am going to get are tears and complaints from those who believe Geno to be God, and not a videogame character. God forbid not everyone conforms to the same opinion.

Good post, take it easy,
--Raul
I totally agree with you. Also, I hope Geno gets in.
Peace out
 

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1.) Is Geno, in terms of the video gaming community, recognized enough by the fans to earn a roster spot?
2.) Since his absences from the new games and consoles, does Geno have enough popularity to surpass newer characters like Paper Mario, Bowser Jr, and so forth and secure a roster spot for SSB: Brawl?
3.) Would the support of the "older" fan base, such as my self and others, be able to sway enough votes to get Geno in, or would the "younger" fan base simply out do us and pick a character they see as more popular or more identifiable.

Good post, take it easy,
--Raul
First off I would like to say that your post was absolutely FANTASTIC. I applaud you, and your concern is indeed legitimate, and is a point often overlooked by Geno's more hardcore fans. However, I still stand by my original opinions. And I shall answer your questions.

1. This is a bit hard for me to judge, seeing as I only have experience at two forums. However, anecdotal and online evidence has yet to prove that he's not recognizable enough. I was the last of the gamer kids at my school to play SMRPG, and when I told them about it, they gushed over the game, and guess who everyone's favorite character was? But what further proves my point is that the people who've never heard of Geno are in a very definite minority. Like I said, it's not terribly solid evidence, but they're good signs at least. And anyone who's been keeping track of things lately knows that recognizability doesn't mean that much to Sakurai. His two big selling points are fan and company requests and personal interest. And Geno has both of those behind him.

2. Yes. Despite some vocal individuals, the fanbases for Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. are actually very weak. Honestly, how many polls do you see them appear on? Sakurai hasn't even shown any interest in them either, and for good reason. He said he wanted to eliminate clones, and neither of these characters make a good first impression.

3. Yes. The "younger" fans haven't even done a good job in getting their voices heard, seeing the complete and utter lack of either Bowser Jr. or Paper Mario on Sakurai's infamous and influential poll. Out of all the possible Mario characters, Geno has by far been mentioned the most. This is more than enough than pull him out of the "awesome but impossible" category reserved for characters like Marina Lightyears and such and make him an actual probability.

Thank you very much for your awesome response! :D
 

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raul, your entire post can be asnwered with "ICE CLIMBERS"

Also,
Basically, my point is, anyone who has played videogames will be able to tell you who Mario is, who Fox McCloud is, who Pichu is, who Mr. Game and Watch is, etc.
That's not true at all.
 

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Can someone tell me why Geno is so popular? I know nothing about this guy.
 

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Can someone tell me why Geno is so popular? I know nothing about this guy.
Geno is popular because...

1. He's the most recognizable non-reoccuring character from Super Mario RPG, the game that opened up an entirely new genre for the Mario games, and is considered by many to be one of the best RPGs ever made.

2. He was arguably the most powerful and most-used playable character from said game.

2. He's a possessed doll with guns for arms and the ability to bring his holy wrath upon his enemies by turing into a cannon and shooting small suns.. HOW CAN YOU GET MORE AWESOME?! [/fangirl]
 

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Geno is popular because...

1. He's the most recognizable non-reoccuring character from Super Mario RPG, the game that opened up an entirely new genre for the Mario games, and is considered by many to be one of the best RPGs ever made.

2. He was arguably the most powerful and most-used playable character from said game.

2. He's a possessed doll with guns for arms and the ability to bring his holy wrath upon his enemies by turing into a cannon and shooting small suns.. HOW CAN YOU GET MORE AWESOME?! [/fangirl]
It's like people get converted everyday by just hearing about him.

Geno sure is one hell of a character! ^_^
 

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First off I would like to say that your post was absolutely FANTASTIC. I applaud you, and your concern is indeed legitimate, and is a point often overlooked by Geno's more hardcore fans. However, I still stand by my original opinions. And I shall answer your questions.

1. This is a bit hard for me to judge, seeing as I only have experience at two forums. However, anecdotal and online evidence has yet to prove that he's not recognizable enough. I was the last of the gamer kids at my school to play SMRPG, and when I told them about it, they gushed over the game, and guess who everyone's favorite character was? But what further proves my point is that the people who've never heard of Geno are in a very definite minority. Like I said, it's not terribly solid evidence, but they're good signs at least. And anyone who's been keeping track of things lately knows that recognizability doesn't mean that much to Sakurai. His two big selling points are fan and company requests and personal interest. And Geno has both of those behind him.

2. Yes. Despite some vocal individuals, the fanbases for Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. are actually very weak. Honestly, how many polls do you see them appear on? Sakurai hasn't even shown any interest in them either, and for good reason. He said he wanted to eliminate clones, and neither of these characters make a good first impression.

3. Yes. The "younger" fans haven't even done a good job in getting their voices heard, seeing the complete and utter lack of either Bowser Jr. or Paper Mario on Sakurai's infamous and influential poll. Out of all the possible Mario characters, Geno has by far been mentioned the most. This is more than enough than pull him out of the "awesome but impossible" category reserved for characters like Marina Lightyears and such and make him an actual probability.

Thank you very much for your awesome response! :D
Thank you for the kind words Dynamite. However, in regards to your clone argument, I feel that Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. could be engineered to have their own, individual movesets, so I do not believe cloning would be an issue.

I also have a slight misunderstanding when you say that Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. are weak. Do you mean they are weak in terms of demand by the fans or weak due to sales of their respected games? I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying so I can gauge your comments properly and reinterpret my own.

Once again, thanks for the kind words, "Geno FTW," as many of you say,
--Raul.

raul, your entire post can be asnwered with "ICE CLIMBERS"

Also,

That's not true at all.
Good point on the Ice Climbers, but then again I am unaware of how popular and recognizable they were prior to Melee and Brawl, but judging by your response, I'm geussing they were in high demand.

And perhaps I exaggerated a tad with that quote you posted. Mario should be recongized by most gamers since he is the mascot of a major video game company, but not necessarily all the others. Pokemon too could be recognized quite easily because of their card games, cartoons, movies, action figures, underpants, what have you. A slight over exaggeration on my part. Perhaps above average games, like myself and diehard gamers should be able to recognize more characters than your average gamer. My apologizes for this misunderstanding.

It's like people get converted everyday by just hearing about him.

Geno sure is one hell of a character! ^_^
Perhaps there is a movement to start a church on Sundays for Geno?
 

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... Did you just call Ridley a purple dinosaur?
>_______>;;;

I'm still very skeptic about Geno myself, but I don't have any feelings for or against his inclusion. Anyone who has taken a statistics course knows that internet polls are close to useless in representing a large demographic Nintendo would cater to.
 

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Barney is the purple dinosaur so that makes Ridley the Anti-Barney. Actually Ridley is the truth behind why dinosaurs are extinct.
Baaad Ridley! Samus needs to give you some spanking yet again! >_>
 

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Thank you for the kind words Dynamite. However, in regards to your clone argument, I feel that Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. could be engineered to have their own, individual movesets, so I do not believe cloning would be an issue.

I also have a slight misunderstanding when you say that Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. are weak. Do you mean they are weak in terms of demand by the fans or weak due to sales of their respected games? I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying so I can gauge your comments properly and reinterpret my own.

Once again, thanks for the kind words, "Geno FTW," as many of you say,
--Raul.
1. I meant they are weak in terms of demand, not game sales. I have yet to see a very strong demand for either of them, especially compared to the massive amount of fans calling for Geno. And yes, I am well aware that both could have unique movesets. But you do have to admit, anyone not familiar with their games's first thought about them will be something along the lines of "WTF? ANOTHER MARIO/BOWSER?!". Like I said, bad first impression. Geno, however, has no chance of even looking like a clone.

And Sakurai's mentioned Geno five times in his journal. (Finally, the Offical Geno Thread contains concrete proof of this. Thanks, Fatmanonice!) Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario have yet to be even looked at. Bad first impression.

Oh, and one more thing supporting Geno: Super Mario RPG is one of the most requested Virtual Console games. Which means Geno does indeed have some advertising potential.

And about the Ice Climbers. FACT: Before SSBM, hardly anyone had even heard of them. They're living proof that obscurity means nothing to Sakurai and that sometimes he'll put in a character just because he likes them. And...this can honestly be used as evidence to support Geno as well, because (if I'm deciphering the Engrish caused by a free online translator right), Geno reminds him of his childhood...for some reason. I'll track down those journals eventually...they're on the Geno Thread if anyone can find them first...

... Did you just call Ridley a purple dinosaur?
>_______>;;;

I'm still very skeptic about Geno myself, but I don't have any feelings for or against his inclusion. Anyone who has taken a statistics course knows that internet polls are close to useless in representing a large demographic Nintendo would cater to.
Yes, I did. He IS a pterodactyl-type thingy, right? Oh wait, they're not dinosaurs, are they....Oh well, I still stand by it.

And also: That's not an internet poll I'm referencing. These are mentions by Sakurai himself in his journal. Geno's been mentioned five times, and Sakurai also expressed interest in one of the songs of SMRPG (Beware the Forest's Mushrooms, better known as the Forest Maze song). Geno might not make it, but things are looking good for him at the moment.
 

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hey, DynamiteSpoony what do you think of megaman? just wondering
 

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hey, DynamiteSpoony what do you think of megaman? just wondering
Well, I'll write his full analysis later, but since you asked, here's it in a nutshell:

If there's another 3rd party character, it should, and most likely WILL be Megaman. I personally like him, and though I'm not really familiar with the Megaman games (I've only completed one. >_<), he'd be a good choice for Brawl.

:D
 

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And also: That's not an internet poll I'm referencing. These are mentions by Sakurai himself in his journal. Geno's been mentioned five times, and Sakurai also expressed interest in one of the songs of SMRPG (Beware the Forest's Mushrooms, better known as the Forest Maze song). Geno might not make it, but things are looking good for him at the moment.
He does need to mention Geno if he wants to give an impression of listening to the fans.
I'm just kind of skeptic of a character few teens really know that much about and isn't the protagonist, eg; I'm 17 and I had no idea about him until I came to smashboards.
-shrug- But if things look good than things look good, who am I to decide what are the requirements to get in Brawl?
I just hope that your support for Geno isn't solely on his 999 damage attack. :laugh:
 

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If that would've been implied or possible, Lucas would not use PK Fire, PK Thunder and PSI Magnet just like Ness uses them, not to mention PK Freeze works the same as PK Flash.
Actually, PK fire shoots straight and doesn't descend like ness' did, and his
PSI magnet doesn't surround him, it makes a barrier infront of him... and PK
Freeze is... well the only difference is that it can freeze...
 

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HA! Found them!

Be warned: They're EXTREMELY Engrish-y. But still understandable...somewhat.

No.14 Nickname & HiGe The reflection contribution theme * concerning the character Most first the hammer っ it is with マリオシリーズ the thing. In case by your, that was スーパーマリオ RPG. Seeing CM, very borrowing to the friend of that time with interest...... certain, you have forgotten to return it seems the way that way...... Well it sets aside trivial thing, by your very you like that game. Even among them, the doll and the Gee no where game original character soul resides. In juvenile mind, it stayed in him with the reflection very. Because sale at that time it was the elementary school student, freely there was a time when you play. Because of that, being also it clears to be quick extremely, simply just a little lonesome separation where but......, it is not never sad meaning in the ending, waited. If the next work was, being to think, that certainly and it can meet to the Gee no, it does, but because... it is quick, time to pass already it became good age, (laughing certainly did not have this questionnaire, you did not remember either the thing of the Gee no, probably will be. While answering to the questionnaire, when perhaps it does and it can meet, that... just just you expecting a little, whether it is it is not, it increases,

No. 86 Nickname & beginning The reflection contribution theme * concerning the character Beginning! The っ which is the スマブラ new work it is and has been excited! ! The reflection to キャラ, with with the notion that where you say... from game and マリオ RPG which I love the Gee no...! ! Lines turning and skill and setting of Gee no. It is the chair coming which very is. First play time immature kindergarten child (!) Was, but now already it is the high school student. 10 years or more it passed to be even to, it is favorite the game which occasionally you have played. The む oak does, without understanding well, doing in feeling, hurting, but now you do with it is different at all, it is, don't you think?. Also from charm of the Gee no reached the point where it is understood... it is very delightful, is, * the no no to tell the truth it is the doll and/or, to tell the truth is the messenger of the star when, "the hay! "It is word っ ちゃ う cuteness, (laughing) and... little bit kana forcing ED. That, blue mantle again! Production, please persevere ^ ^ the っ which has been enjoyed!

No. 247 Nickname & sea cucumber Contribution theme & depending etc. You ask already truly. This thinking was designated as 10 letter compositions. "The request Gee no putting out! " Then favorite the beverage you write. Favorite beverage: アンバサ

No. 268 Nickname & マユミ The reflection contribution theme * concerning the character Today, beginning? This page you were already agitated instantaneously is discovered! ! No せ I do 1st being to love in the game which previous スマデラ did until now. That everyday did that. You think that both キャラ, stage, the movie and music it is splendid it is possible and is. Because スマデラ the friend who does was not around me, the younger brothers and sisters you do, or did increased with 1 person and, but you did not grow tired at all. The consideration which can be played pleasantly even with 1 person, is quantity in this game, ill-smelling it is being to be. I grow tired the game doing, mostly, immediately, it is. So as for this you do not grow tired at all. Being to think, that such game it makes rather it is difficult, it does, but Sakurai made that...! It is the fearful person in good sense, (laughing) キャラ is the 1st reflection in the ice climber. The ice climber being it has been popular being to have known, it does, but... never it is lovely so...! ! When ポポナナ パンッ has touched at the time of victory, it is dense lovely something! ! When and it tries using, it is strong something! ! ! When 1 person it is done, there is a weak point that the weak body, aerial side movement is slow, but the stop っ ちゃ feeling where that intense スマッシュ skill is decided it was good! ! Because, I アイクラ was subject. That it probably will win the fox of the younger brother with アイクラ, being desperate, コンボ skill inspects the bosom oak to be... almost it could not win after all, but (laughing) even then it is to abandon with it has persevered? アイクラ to pull me to here, because they are the sources whom it makes be packed, and that the form, voice would like to hear lovely even with スマブラ X, is. Efficiency of the previous ポポナナ individual completely was the same, but each one also っ て the fact that efficiency is different delicately is funny so? How thinking, it increases. The あ, by the way new キャラ desires the Gee no and the participation of マロ. Already, also 10 years pass, but CM or not yet even cannot forget the story or music. Because 2 are people and character and skill unique, when it can participate, you think that it can enjoy rather. The long sentence impoliteness it does. Then paying attention to the body...

No. 276 Nickname & マリオマスター Contribution theme * the music which is wanted inserting All everyone who has participated Sakurai, and to development. Very today. Will development how probably be? In we head, as for the music which is used in the game, as for those where it is necessary for the game it is the rice cake remaining overnight, but you think that they are one fine arts, it is! As for the game, スマブラ, the Nintendo Co. compilation into one book. In other words, there is no reason which even compilation into one book of the Nintendo Co. music can be said is? X of first generation, DX, and new work. By his is impressed hurting, it does with any スマブラ. Only main theme it can designate X yet as the ear, but it is this one tune, and others, you shivered, it is! Already, when development advances in earnest, you knew it is it is not, how it becomes, is. Well, rather thing please drive out with impression. By all means, all people, we request the kind of music which the impression tear it is possible! Privately it is BGM of the forest of ハナチャン "of マリオ RPG", if "carefulness it is in the mushroom of the forest," being to be delightful enormously, it does, but don't you think? but..., because that is the case that it is also the copyright of スクエニ, it is unreasonable; Well, if the Gee no participates, certainly! (Excessiveness The renewal here it devotes to one time closing and development so the shank. Everyone! The new world is enjoyed! Please persevere!

(The last one shows the interest in the Forest Maze song: Beware the Forest's Mushrooms is the song's soundtrack title)
 

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Paper Mario, is a new Mario gaming series. It already has 3 or 4 games both for the Nintendo Game Cube and the Nintendo Wii out on the market. The success of the Paper Mario series is not anything compared to say something like Mario Party, which has 8 games, but nonetheless is still quite popular and successful.
1. Paper Mario isn't a new Mario gaming series. It's been around since the N64.
2. I don't think the fact that the Paper Mario series only has 3 games compared to Mario Party's 8 means that Mario Party is more popular. It's just easier to think up new minigames than it is to think up entire new plots, items, enemies, characters, and battle mechanics, among other things.

Don't worry, I read your whole post, but I just wanted to comment on this part.
 

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Baaad Ridley! Samus needs to give you some spanking! >_>
So long as Ridley doesn't get a dino-boner, I'm fine with it.

And while we're on the topic of Ridley, I believe he should be included in the Brawl Roster.

Ridley is the strongest character for the position because he has a signifcance in the Metroid gaming series that lasts more than 1 game.
Ridley also seems to make more sense over another form of Samus, ie-Dark Samus. We already have 2 characters-Full Samus and Zamus, how many more forms of Samus do we need? As of right now, we only have 1 Mario and many people refuse the idea of Paper Mario, Dr. Mario or another other form of Mario be playable, so the same must be applied to Samus. Ridley would give the Metroid series a fresh and well needed rep for Brawl.
 

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So long as Ridley doesn't get a dino-boner, I'm fine with it.
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I just remembered reading a fanfiction like that, but more innocent.
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Nevermind.

Ridley is the strongest character for the position because he has a signifcance in the Metroid gaming series that lasts more than 1 game.
Ridley and Dedede not being in Melee was a crime against gaming. No way they'd get excluded in Brawl.
 

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1. Paper Mario isn't a new Mario gaming series. It's been around since the N64.
2. I don't think the fact that the Paper Mario series only has 3 games compared to Mario Party's 8 means that Mario Party is more popular. It's just easier to think up new minigames than it is to think up entire new plots, items, enemies, characters, and battle mechanics, among other things.

Don't worry, I read your whole post, but I just wanted to comment on this part.
I meant The Paper Mario series is new compared to Super Mario RPG. Thats all.

You're correct about youre second point, but Mario Party is popular, thus sales are increased and sequels are created. Nintendo wouldn't create an 8 game series if there was not enough sales and popularity. However, I see your point and do not wish to debate the popularity and such in a character based thread.

Hope you enjoyed the post,
the humble Geno Supporter,
--Raul

PS-Dynamite Spoony, I'm less tense now after reading your posts and I'm feeling more confindent Geno could appear in Brawl, thanks.
 

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I just remembered reading a fanfiction like that, but more innocent.
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Nevermind.

Ridley and Dedede not being in Melee was a crime against gaming. No way they'd get excluded in Brawl.
Lol, more innocent. Nice one.

It would be a crime to me if Ridley did not make the Brawl final roster. I've read all the conuter arguments about Ridely, I've seen a Ridley stage, Ridley Theme music, reference to Ridley in Melee opening video (not that that has much to do with Brawl), Ridley on Sakurai's poll, and I've seen the high demand for Ridley.

Bottomline, I don't think Sakurai can ignore the popularity of the space pirate known as Ridley. If not Ridley, then who? Mother Brain? Hard to beleive that one, a hunter? Looks like an Assist Trophy to me. Another form of Samus? How...last Smash Brothers?

Sorry for the double post,
the Ridley and Geno supporter,
--Raul.
 

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Lol, more innocent. Nice one.
I'm super super serial!! :laugh:

I've read all the conuter arguments about Ridely,
I have yet to find a decent argument against Ridley.
Bottomline, I don't think Sakurai can ignore the popularity of the space pirate known as Ridley. If not Ridley, then who? Mother Brain? Hard to beleive that one, a hunter? Looks like an Assist Trophy to me. Another form of Samus? How...last Smash Brothers?
Ridley is an obvious shoe-in.
 

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Ridely: should comfrimed
Krsytal:should be comfrimed
megaman:should be comfirmed
walagui: helper for wario
 

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I'm super super serial!! :laugh:


I have yet to find a decent argument against Ridley.


Ridley is an obvious shoe-in.
The Official Ridley thread posted all the arguments with counter arguments from what I remember. I actually read them 3 times just to make sure I got them down correctly. They're very good counter arguments and basically defeats all reasons why Ridley should not appear. Don't get me wrong, its not like we're arguing a court case here, but the Official Ridley thread is worth checking out.


ALSO--I'm super serial you guys! Come on!

Whoosh!!!
 

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The Official Ridley thread posted all the arguments with counter arguments from what I remember. I actually read them 3 times just to make sure I got them down correctly. They're very good counter arguments and basically defeats all reasons why Ridley should not appear. Don't get me wrong, its not like we're arguing a court case here, but the Official Ridley thread is worth checking out.


ALSO--I'm super serial you guys! Come on!

Whoosh!!!
Well, I tend to hang out in that thread a lot so I got ya.

Al Gore doesn't have a link!!! Serially!
 
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