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Official Majora's Mask Young Link for Brawl Thread

firedragon_jing

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This idea has been thrown around a bit, but I think it would be awesome if they updated Young Link and brought him back. By update, I don't mean Cell-Shaded, I mean giving him more abilities from MM, instead of just having him as a clone like he was in SSBM. He should be able to switch between his mask forms for his smash attacks.

Deku Link


Goron Link


Zora Link


Move Set:
Standard Special: Bombchu
Side Special: Zora Link Guitar Attack
Down Special: Goron Link Roll Attack
Up Special: Deku Link up-twirl and flower parasails
Grapple: Hook-Shot
Final Smash: Fierce Deity (Oni) Link




If this was done, YOung Link would actually be a good character that I would want to play as.
 

DarkSpidey13

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you know what the best part about masks link would be?

Fierce Deity.

the second best part?

the possibility of Skull Kid. :)
 

firedragon_jing

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Young Link will be Wind Waker Link, if he returns, there's no need to dust off Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass it's at it's peak.
Wind Waker was ok, but he wouldn't have a moveset like MM, besides, if they do use WW Link, he would be a clone of Link with maybe slightly different special attacks.
 

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Wind Waker was ok, but he wouldn't have a moveset like MM, besides, if they do use WW Link, he would be a clone of Link with maybe slightly different special attacks.
Have you actually played Wind Waker? Minish Cap? Phantom Hourglass? He has enough items to not be a Link clone, plus, as I said, why would Sakurai dust off Majora's Mask?
 

firedragon_jing

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Yes, I have played WW, and I got all the mini-quest completed as well, except for the figurines and pictures. Anyway, I enjoyed the game, but it wasn't my favorite. I haven't played though enough of the MC, nor have I played PH since I don't have a DS yet, but like I said his special moves might change a bit, but for the most part he would be a clone.

I didn't even bother beating MM because I didn't like the 3 day system, but I prefer him over CS Link just because I believe he is a better character.
 

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So does Wind Waker, Minish Cap and Phantom Hourglass, your point?
those games alienated a good many old-school and more mature Zelda fans who were very disappointed with the cel-shaded style and lackluster difficulty, myself included. but that aside, i think two human Links are more than necessary, especially when other more unique Zelda characters have yet to be seen.
 

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those games alienated a good many old-school and more mature Zelda fans who were very disappointed with the cel-shaded style and lackluster difficulty, myself included. but that aside, i think two human Links are more than necessary, especially when other more unique Zelda characters have yet to be seen.
Is that supposed to mean that you don't want Y Link in any form or that you're just biased cause you hate the Cell Shaded look? Believe me, if Young Link gets in Brawl he'll be Cell Shaded and with movesets from his three games, there's absolutely no need to bring back Majora's Mask at this point.
 

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Is that supposed to mean that you don't want Y Link in any form or that you're just biased cause you hate the Cell Shaded look? Believe me, if Young Link gets in Brawl he'll be Cell Shaded and with movesets from his three games, there's absolutely no need to bring back Majora's Mask at this point.
"bring back Majora's Mask?" i wasn't aware that it went anywhere. and might i point you at Pit and the Ice Climbers, who have been on hiatus for much longer than Majora's Mask.

and yes, I don't want a human Young Link in any form, cel-shaded or otherwise. but especially not cel-shaded, because of my own personal bias, yes. but as i said, there are plenty of good Zelda reps, Masks Link included, that would make a better addition that another Young Link. Midna, Skull Kid, and even Vaati are right there on the top of that list as well.
 

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"bring back Majora's Mask?" i wasn't aware that it went anywhere. and might i point you at Pit and the Ice Climbers, who have been on hiatus for much longer than Majora's Mask.
Oh God, when will people stop comparing retro characters to last gen games? Pit and Ice Climbers are retro, they're there to represent the old days, it doesn't matter if Pit and Ice Climbers haven't had a game in years cause they're representing they're faded games from the NES days, now why would they even consider adaptating Young Link to Majora's Mask if they didn't do it in Melee when it was still fresh and now that it has 3 more games against it? It's ridiculous, they're not gonna bring back (which you know exactly what that means, unless you're stupid) Majora's Mask because Zelda has newer installments to take their stuff from in Brawl.
 

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Good job, I've always been to lazy to make this thread myself. However, your idea for his moves are definitely lacking enough originality, here's more along the lines of what could happen in order to fully implement the features of MM...

Start off with Young Link. All of his standard moves are similar to Link, however much weaker and shorter range, possibly even worse than he was in melee. His standard moves can go as follows...

Up B: A form of spin attack, maybe same as in melee, simply because this is a signature move of all Links for the longest time.

B: Bombchu. Travels along the ground until it times out or hits someone/thing. Then it goes boom.

Side B: Could be a number of things, maybe if they want him to have the bow or boomerang again, or give him the slingshot, which will be a little more appropriate in order to refer to OoT as well. (These can be switched to be the standard B and bombchu's be side) Or it could
be a bottle, and you can pick up items and save them for later, and even capture enemies for a short time. Deku Nuts are highly likely as well to slightly stun opponents.

Aside from down B, all the specials could remain the same, just be weaker and shorter range, but Young Link can be more agile, of course.

Down B: Mask Transformation. Similar to Pokemon Trainer, Young Link puts on a different mask and transforms into a completely different character.



Deku Scrub: A very weak character, with limited range attacks. Very small target and decent flying ability. Can hop on water for a short time.

Up B could be similar to when the Deku scrub jumped out of the flowers and started flying arount with the petal propellors.

B or Side B: Magic Bubbles, the more you blow it up, the farther range and more damage it does.

Other Special: Hard Body Shield. In the game, when you used your shield in this form, you would be covered by a nut shell or very hard wood, so yeah, protection.



Goron: A really heavy and strong creature. Slow, big target, not very good jumping, and cannot swim at all, as opposed to the new option for being able to swim for a short period of time.

Side B is most definitely his rolling attack, similar to rollout and egg roll.

Standard B could be a powder keg, for big big blasting power, it has a timer though, so you have time to run away, unless you hit it and set off, just hopefully you are using something like an arrow.

I don't have an idea for his Up B being used for recover, but, in order to help balance the character, this form could just not have a recover move, but maybe hurl rocks similar to how Yoshi throws eggs.


Zora: Speedy character, weaker attacks. Attacks with a guitar with excellent reach. Can swim?

Standard B: Would be his Zora Shield he got when you used shield in the water, just now you don't have to be in water.

Side B: Fires the fins off of his forearms just like the game, and they act kind of like duel boomerangs, and can hit multiple targets more easily.

Up B: could be like a dolphin jump, for in the game if you swam really fast to the surface, you would jump like a dolphin. Nifty effect and decent distance.


And of course, Final smash is Fierce Deity/Oni Link, which is essentially Link on five different steroids, every swipe of the sword send a blast of energy across the stage, and he just looks freakin awesome.


Now, in reference to a Cel Young Link, I think that is just as likely as well, however, I don't believe it as likely, and it won't really provide a fighting style that can really be different. Sure you can change the specials, but those don't define a character alone. So, my bet is if there is another Link in the game, the most likely candidate is MM, however I would love to see both, though if we don't have 40 characters, then that may be pushing it.

vesperview said:
now why would they even consider adaptating Young Link to Majora's Mask if they didn't do it in Melee when it was still fresh
I don't know. Hey would have something to do with the exact same reason why there were clones in the first place? Because they only had ten months to work on it, and rather than have new moves that are unbalcnced due to not enough time to test, they would rather have had clones that they could tweak a little bit and still have those six extra characters.
 

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Oh God, when will people stop comparing retro characters to last gen games? Pit and Ice Climbers are retro, they're there to represent the old days, it doesn't matter if Pit and Ice Climbers haven't had a game in years cause they're representing they're faded games from the NES days, now why would they even consider adaptating Young Link to Majora's Mask if they didn't do it in Melee when it was still fresh and now that it has 3 more games against it? It's ridiculous, they're not gonna bring back (which you know exactly what that means, unless you're stupid) Majora's Mask because Zelda has newer installments to take their stuff from in Brawl.
yeah, i know. i mean, why would they add Pokemon Trainer if they didn't do it for Melee? i mean, he's been around since the 90's. but i'm sure if they did add Pokemon Trainer, they'd surely give him current gen pokemon and not starter pokemon from a decade-old game. [/sarcasm]

and FYI, Pit and the Ice Climbers aren't "there to represent the old days." they are there because Sakurai found them in the recesses of Nintendo's history and thought that they would make good additions to Brawl. Pit also was able to get bumped into Brawl with the help of fan demand, not simply because Sakurai felt he needed to "represent" a faction of video gaming.
 

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yeah, i know. i mean, why would they add Pokemon Trainer if they didn't do it for Melee? i mean, he's been around since the 90's. but i'm sure if they did add Pokemon Trainer, they'd surely give him current gen pokemon and not starter pokemon from a decade-old game. [/sarcasm]
Alright, that example is completely irrelevant, not only the first gen pokemon are the most popular due to the anime and the movies, but Pokemon trainer also has the look he has in the 2004 remakes FireRed and Leafgreen not the look from the first versions, How the hell does that apply to Majora's Mask?

and FYI, Pit and the Ice Climbers aren't "there to represent the old days." they are there because Sakurai found them in the recesses of Nintendo's history and thought that they would make good additions to Brawl. Pit also was able to get bumped into Brawl with the help of fan demand, not simply because Sakurai felt he needed to "represent" a faction of video gaming.
I forgot how Pit and Ice Climbers haven't had a game since the 80's. [/sarcasm], plus Ice Climbers and Mr Game and Watch got in due to their history, not because they had the most amazing fan demand, stop bringing up irrelevant examples to support your reasoning, Majora's Mask doesn't even top Wind Waker, Minish Cap or Phantom Hourglass and I absolutely doubt those are not the games fans would like represented by Young Link.
 

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I have l;earned that the absolute best thing to do in this situation is to ignore vesperview completely. He tends to have completely biased views, claims every single opposing comment to be stupidity and utter nonsense, and he is just a general downer. So don't worry, just treat him like a bear. After it gnaws on your bones for a little bit it will get bored and go away.
 

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I have l;earned that the absolute best thing to do in this situation is to ignore vesperview completely. He tends to have completely biased views, claims every single opposing comment to be stupidity and utter nonsense, and he is just a general downer. So don't worry, just treat him like a bear. After it gnaws on your bones for a little bit it will get bored and go away.
Nice way of backing out without actually arguing with me :p, get out of here!

Bottom line:

Majora's Mask is out, bring in Wind Waker, Minish Cap and Phantom Hourglass, they're way better anyway.
 

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Phantom Hourglass is already drawing comparisons to Ocarina of Time, considered to be the best Zelda game of all time, and even the best video game ever created. Why would Sakurai ignore the success of this recently implemented universe of the Zelda series and insert an older version of Young Link? I have nothing against Young Link, but I think it would better represent the current state of the Zelda series if they used the cel-shaded version. For those who think he'd be a clone, all they'd have to do would be implement, the Deku Leaf, Skull Hammer, Grappling Hook, as well as other items. Just because they both use swords does not mean they would be clones. What is wrong with them at least having a few sword moves in common, since they're both essentially from the same series, but different universes? But for those who want complete differentiation, they could even implement this sword move for Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qa3bkc7V8w to make him stand out from the older TP version.
 

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I would love it if they would just put both versions in. Like I said many times (in other posts as well) I believe both versions have an equal chance of being included, I just prefer to argue without insulting people, that's why ignore a lot of peoples posts, unless they decide to argue sensibly and not act like a little kid. The only problem to this would be non - zelda fans complaining about too many Links. However, thay are not the same Link, whereas Mario and Dr. Mario, same person. Pichu and Pikachu, could be same and different, depending on how you look at it.
 

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I think the request for Oni Link could boost up YL as a pc, but on the other hand, it could equally be as awesome if they made one of Link's alt costumes Oni just like that added Dark Link.
 

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I would prefer WW link, I do like the idea of majora's link (loved majoras mask) but using the idea of Pt on another character wouldn't be the best.
Anyway loved the idea and the moveset congratulations.
 

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So... When you say MM Young Link... Aren't you refering to... you know...

The Link from EVERY zelda game EVER except half of OOT and all of Twilight Princess? [I know they are almost all different Links, but most of them are YLs...]

I do like the MM moveset though.
 

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So... When you say MM Young Link... Aren't you refering to... you know...

The Link from EVERY zelda game EVER except half of OOT and all of Twilight Princess? [I know they are almost all different Links, but most of them are YLs...]

I do like the MM moveset though.
come on you know what they refer to, I know OOt and MM are the same link but MOVESET IS WHAT MATTERS, I support WW LInk over MM link but I think we all agree that even if he's another link If he has an original new moveset it is a valuable choide for a character.
 

Eldezar

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^^ Exactly. To me the only reason we won't see both MM and WW Young Link is character slot restrictions, however there is most likely 40 thus far, and with the delay there could be so much more.

I do believe WW to be more likely due to it's design being most recent, however popularity-wise they are even. So far, I have not favored any Zelda game over another, because they are all meant to be as they are, depending on the mood chosen by the designers, and every single one has an amazing and unique story. My only preference lies in MM because I would love to be able to play that type of character. I actually completely forgot to add one thing in the moveset with MM.

The balancing system.

Pokemon Trainer has stamina. If you don't switch the characters out enough, or if you switch them too foten, then this will ultimitely be bad for the character in the long run, and this helps to balance the fact that you have three characters in one, but the weakness is that you can not always have the right Pokemon out for the given sitation based on your stamina.

Samus/Zamus requires final smash to switch between characters. Therefore, you have to wait until the smash ball shows up, be the one to break the smash ball, and then do it all over again if you need to switch back, definitely a good balance.

MM Young Link would mostly have balance within the movesets within the different forms, but another way to balance would be to give Young Link a magic meter, and it is drained depending on what moves you use, and when completely drained those moves would in effect make those moves considerably weaker, or unable to be used. The main moves are as follows for each form.

Young Link: Spin attack. You would not be able to charge the spin attack for extra power, and possibly be a slower spin and less recovery ability.

Deku Scrib: Spit Bubbles. You could still fire spit bubbles, however you would not be able to charge them at all, and could only for short range, light damaging bubbles, possibly with a heavy delay between fire.

Goron: Roll. While you still have magic, your roll attack would produce spikes, and you would be much faster and do more damage, though this attack drains magic quickly. With no magic, you would be considerably slower and weaker during your roll, and most attacks would overpower you, should someone choose to attack you while you were rolling towards them.

Zora: Shield. Possibly make it so that you don't produce a shield at all. With magic, you can even damage opponents slightly similar to Zelda's Nayru's Love move, though this move can be sustained like Fox's reflector, simply draining magic the longer you hold the shield. Without magic you could probably just cover yourself with your fin and block a few small projectiles, or possibly just have no effect at all.


So yeah, there ya go. I am not sure if it would be good or not to allow the character to replenish the magic. I think it should, for a that would make it where a very drawn out battle, the character does nothing but get weaker. However, if the meter refills every time the character dies, then an unreplenishing magic meter (without dying) could also balance it a bit.
 
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