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Obama: Satan's Jesus?

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Dre89

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I thought the face of evil thing was pretty cool.

We know Nostradamus was wrong on several things.

The crack at gay marriage was a bit uncalled for.
 

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The Statue of Liberty was created by France, so nearly everything involved with it comes from something with France. Secondly, all of the video is called "COINCIDENCE." If you fold a few bills a certain way, they can show the twin towers or the pentagon. If you type in NYC in Windings it shows some pictures that some of ascertained means "Death to the Jews." OR if you type in Q33NYC with Wingdings it shows a plan heading to two collumns with Death to the Jews.

If you force anything, it'll fit to your message.

Edit: Also, screw this video for corrupting Lux Aeterna.
 

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Okay, let's entertain that line of tgough: Obama is the anti-Christ. What then? Nothing. When he leaves in 2013 or 2017, everyone who called him such will look quite foolish. For their to be an anti-Christ, there has to be a Christ.
 

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Honestly, everything I've heard of the "10 crowns" thing believe that the "10 crowns" refer to the ten main members of the EU, or something like that.
 

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Okay, let's entertain that line of tgough: Obama is the anti-Christ. What then? Nothing. When he leaves in 2013 or 2017, everyone who called him such will look quite foolish. For their to be an anti-Christ, there has to be a Christ.
I'm pretty sure the people calling him the anti-Christ believe there was a Christ. And I think the idea is that he'll do some "anti-Christian" thing before he's out of office.

Unless you're just happy to make conclusions without justifying them with premises.

This post didn't make any sense. You said "let's assume he is the anti-Christ", and then explained the consequences if he wasn't the anti-Christ.
 

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Once again, let's keep in mind this is the Proving Grounds and that the debate is intended primarily for Temp Debaters. Let the Temp Debaters find potential flaws in arguments, whether they are responding to other Temp Debaters or full fledged Debaters.
 

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Hmm, that was an interesting video. Even though I'm not fond of what he's done in office, I don't believe he's the a-c . . . . the fact that the winning lotto number in Chicago (on the day after the election) was 666 is pretty freaky though, especially since the number that came up afterward was 7779. The "faces in the destruction" were pretty disturbing too. However, there were a couple of things in the video I disagreed with:

-At 8:55, it says "The All Powerful One for MORE than 400 years", the US is still over 60 years before that title can be used, and considering we didn't surpass the UK as soon as the US of A formed means that this presumed date should at least be around 2100.
-I disagree with the Statue of Liberty being "robed with a cloud", it looks very little like a cloud other than the bleaching and oxidation, if it said "robed with the sea", I might take it with less salt.
-"The woman is holding a golden cup", the torch doesn't really resemble a cup, and the only golden part is the flame. If this was a prediction of the pre-oxidation Statue of Liberty, the allusion to a cloud robe would make even less sense due to the [literal] bronze coloring
-"The woman rides a beast with seven heads and ten horns", the video then points out the crown as evidence . . . . last time I checked, in order to ride something it has to be UNDERNEATH, besides, the spikes are more easily pictured as horns than heads, and considering it says the beast has TEN horns, that takes out that possibility. The beast she's riding can't be the crown and the base [which does have 10 points] at the same time.

Like I said before, I don't think he is the anti-christ, though the amount of coincidences is at least slightly unnerving.
 

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From OP's video description

PLEASE READ THIS FIRST!
This video is for SPECULATION. I made this video as a new born Christian at the age of 16. I now realize that not all of these interpretations may be correct. I do believe, however that the Statue of Liberty is the Symbol for Mystery Babylon in Revelation 17-18. Remember, NONE of this video is "THUS SAITH THE LORD," pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal what is truth or not. I do not know for sure if Revelation 10 is talking about the Statue of Liberty and 9/11or not. Maybe its possible that 9/11 was a foreshaddowing, and a warning of the destruction that is to come to New York and America. Many have seen in dreams/visions New York wiped out. I do not know if Obama is the "Little Horn" or not. behind the Antichrist and his Kingdom.
Seeing as speculation without fact has no real meaning in a debate, we can pretty much ignore the video as it is.

Also, as above said, if you want something to mean something bad enough, it will.

Furthermore, you can't make any sort of argument with coincidences.
 

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The video did bring up facts, such as Obama's religious relationship with his relatives, so it wasn't baseless.
His relatives don't matter, we're talking about him. Plain and simple, the video's description said it was all speculation.
More problems I have with the video:
The Statue of Liberty doesn't hold a Book, it's a Plaque.
If this all happened 9 years ago, wouldn't Bush the the Anti-Christ? 4:48
Hebrew translation? Bah. An ancient language like that could have a million different translations for the same words today. 5:02
Oh boy, he's the anti-christ because he's black. 5:39
Wouldn't it be better that he is practicing Christian in his case? 5:44-5:58
Comparing the president to Hitler. Classy. 6:06
His campaign slogan is CHANGE. So what? Isn't the goal of every president for some sort of change? 6:18
Doesn't regard women? Uhm...what? 6:30
Women are god's children. So are men. 6:32
What does Odinga have to do with Obama other than the fact that they are related? (didn't see a source for that BTW. Smells like feces of the male bovine variety) 6:36-6:48
Oh look, someone can do math. Means nothing. 7:17
Oh, C'mon. LOTTO IN CHICAGO? WHO GIVES A ****? 7:40
Hey, genius? 60606 =/= 666 Don't know who taught you numbers. 8:06
Nostradamus....yeah....8:12
NY isn't the only thing on 45 Longitude last I checked. 8:22
*facepalm* 9:06

I stopped watching at this point.
 
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Vague predictions like this are often fulfilled. I remember seeing a video of a Muslim man (who's apparently very popular in the east) talking about how scientific findings were first predicted in the Quran before they were discovered by man. I'll dig up the video now.....

Ah, I found it. It's the same kind of thing. It seems very convincing when you first hear it, until you realize how vague the predictions really are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM&feature=related

He's actually a very good speaker, probably a pretty smart guy (although he's wrong).
 

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This is not the proper way to conduct an experiment. There's tons of confirmation bias here. You need to say that if X, then Y will happen in a given test, not that Y has already happened.
 

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I argee with that but sometimes it can go backwards like this happened because of this.

I'm pretty sure that's partly what earth sceince is based off of. look at this rock what causes it how long ago. I don't think it would work so well if you said what does this do to rocks and try to find a match.

a rock that is alreadly changed should be tested then to prove. sometimes you test backwards. maybe not the best case but yeah. not everything is that straight forward but i argee they aren't doing it right.
 

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If you read the description below the video, the guy who made it admits that he's not sure how much of the information is correct. I'm skeptical if any of it is correct, because he doesn't site any sources for his claims.

Where is the proof that "Barack Obama" is Hebrew for "Lightning from Heaven?" Or that the winning lotto number the day after Obama's election was 666? Or that the Statue of Liberty is some Babylonian hooker goddess? How do we know any of these things are true?
 

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We don't. As in the nature of all false prophecies, we are only able to say "this is what was predicted" after it had happened, by bending the prediction to match the facts or vice versa.
 
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