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It's probably important to note that the main reason given for disliking Isabelle on the poll is her moveset. It feels a little half-baked.
the number of moves she shares with villager kinda proves she didn’t take as much time as the average. Oh well gamers have always had an odd view of development
well I suppose that makes a bit more sense
I honestly don’t think some people realize just how much Sony has lost that market thanks to the Switch’s appeal and the gradual de-emphasis by the former with games the Japanese audience actually likes.
Interestingly, I've heard that a good chunk of the folks that worked on Sony's Hot Shots games left Sony to work on Smash 4 and even more of that staff went on to help out on Ultimate.
that is funny
Didn't watch the video cause am on my data, but, would this mean Nintendo has a chance to buy Square? Cause that would honestly be pretty damn awesome.
That has nothing to do with the contents of the video. Square-Enix is not owned by Sony.
Is it, really?
Snake, Ike, Terry, Banjo, K. Rool, Mega Man, Kazuya, Simon/Richter, Bayonetta, and Young Link are all some of my most played characters so this roster is damn near a 0/10 for me…
I don't think Nintendo would buy ALL of Square Enix (not unless we get a scenario where SE screws up SO BADLY that a buyout might be the only way to save the company), but maybe someone like Team Asano? Or really any SE devs that specialize in Switch games?
To some this video may actually confirm to them "why" SE divested their dev talent ... Some companies refuse to keep their old guards because eventually even the lowest dev member has an idea that gets shot down and humans only put up with that for so long before they begin to leverage their contributions. The industry has many devs who went from hero to 0 and back again. Or not depending lol. But for sake of argument...
Diddy. I just want to understand your thought process.
Yeah, because a title that was part of a 3-set trilogy(and whose director used to be one of Sony's biggest names that was cheered upon at their mention at E3), got a remake, has gotten much love from some of the biggest Youtubers and Film directors, was used as inspiration for some of the biggest games and including later God of War games, Breath of the Wild and Elden Ring, and even made appearances in movies was in reality a crap game to many.
What do you think the chances are of someday seeing a Mercedes automobile featured in a Mario Kart or Baby Metal and Hello Kitty featured in a Mario game? I’d say those are equally impossible, wouldn’t you agree?
no. Because their creator/director of the series never said it wasn’t happening
Sakurai also said Villager and Ridley weren’t happening. People can change their minds. I’m not saying non video game characters are likely, but to say that they are outright impossible is being close minded in my opinion.
as someone who’s been waiting for him to change his mind on toad for 4 years I beg to differ
This was funny, and I genuinely hope so. Ever since Ultimate I'm finally adjusted to third party characters and even loving some of them. This would be too much.
But this, this is the most likely scenario. We can't completely rule them out.
Sakurai did explicitly state that he wouldn’t be counting any votes for non video game characters in the ballot. I’m sure characters like Goku got a ton of votes but he was never getting in due to the ballot because of the pre established rules. What that may have done is show how much interest there was for certain characters and raise the possibility of Sakurai reconsidering his stance at some point down the line.
This was funny, and I genuinely hope so. Ever since Ultimate I'm finally adjusted to third party characters and even loving some of them. This would be too much.
But this, this is the most likely scenario. We can't completely rule them out.
yeah he also said it was for newcomers, didn’t stop people from voting for but veterans
I understand where you’re coming from but I also think the concept of what makes Smash Smash is fairly subjective. Some people may argue that ship sailed long ago in Brawl with the introduction of third parties. If Nintendo characters are what gives Smash its identity, then what difference does it make if the guest is Master Chief or James Bond? I’d argue that James Bond is actually much more relevant to Nintendo’s history than Master Chief is. The TMNT games were huge on Nintendo consoles and would feel a lot more relevant to their history than Kratos, Nathan Drake, or Joel from Sony, despite not originating from a video game.
I said that ship had sailed, my point was anymore sailing and it’s not smash. Smash was about Nintendo, now it’s about gaming if it becomes a game about everything then I think it’s become mugen
I guess my argument is that you can include non game characters and actually make it more about Nintendo than it currently is. I love Joker and Sephiroth but they have no relation to Nintendo. Licensed games that were fairly high profile like GoldenEye and Turtles in Time have a lot stronger ties than many other characters that debuted in games. If the criteria currently is to add anyone just because they debuted in a game, regardless to whether they had any relation to Nintendo at all, what is Smash’s identity as it currently stands?
nintendo nor their subsidiaries ever made a tmnt game though so theyre about as connected as seph. as for smash's current identity well sakurai told us, it a celebration of gaming
I never claimed that they did. What I’m comparing it to is how several people relate CastleVania and Mega Man to Nintendo despite being third party. Sakurai also only made that description about Smash’s identity after he introduced several third party guest characters. Smash 64 and Melee were never envisioned as a “celebration of gaming”. Even Brawl couldn’t make that claim with only two guests. That description only became applicable starting with Smash 4.
well they shouldn’t cause tmnt has an even looser connection than those two. And I told you smash’s identity had already changed I didn’t say that’s what it had always been
TMNT did already have its very own Smash style game made by several of the people that made Brawl if that means anything but I get where you’re coming from. I still feel they have stronger ties to Nintendo than Master Chief, Joel, Kratos, Nathan Drake and many other characters that debuted in games but never appeared on a Nintendo console (or at least aren’t known to have major appearances on the platform).
yeah well the general consensus seems to be that ties to Nintendo don’t seem to matter as much. appearing on Nintendo consoles is another matter
That’s where the argument about Smash’s identity is lost on me. So if Master Chief appears as a Minecraft skin on a Nintendo game, that’s somehow equivalent to a series with a long history with several high profile games on the console. I don’t have any problems with Chief in Smash but I’ve long accepted that Smash’s identity isn’t constant and can easily evolve as the series continues.
no, no one said that. I said that part of smash’s identity used to be about Nintendo but characters like cloud and joker put that to bed characters who aren’t associated with Nintendo even though they’re debut games are on Nintendo consoles along with many cameos. My point about identity is that if you change it to much then it stops being smash. Now the change from being about Nintendo to being about gaming it still feels like smash but if you change it anymore then it probably won’t. No one’s saying that Steve cosplaying as chief is the equivalent of a long history like mega man just that long histories aren’t as important as we thought
Did you even read what I quoted in my response? Clearly, a lot of people think that the only thing that matters is that the character has appeared on a Nintendo console in some way and their actual history with the company is much less important. Many other people don’t even care about that and just debuting in any game at all is enough, even with no relation whatsoever to Nintendo. I’ve noticed this personally with the backlash RARE character suggestions seem to get compared to others like Master Chief or other hype characters with much less history with Nintendo.
I don’t think you read my post cause that’s my point. People don’t care about connections to Nintendo, sakurai himself said it’s no longer about Nintendo. So of course most fans no longer care about whether or not they appeared on Nintendo consoles and the history with Nintendo was a fan idea not based on anything sakurai said. Smash was about Nintendo but that’s changed and I’d something changes to much then it’s no longer the same thing. Even with the big change it’s still smash but if it changes even further then it won’t be
I think understood your point, but correct me if I’m wrong. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough in my response. I know firsthand how people don’t seem to care as much these days about Nintendo history in Smash. Like I mentioned, I used to bring up RARE characters a lot and I got shut down by a few people here and basically everyone on GameFAQS. I’ve also brought up Bill Rizer and Crono/Magus multiple times but there isn’t much interest in those characters. I’ve come to terms with that and it’s fine. People are free to like what they want but the whole argument of Smash’s identity is just silly to me at this point. I actually do care about Nintendo history and there is little to no interest in the characters I bring up. It even got to the point that I upset a few users here by talking about RARE characters too often.
ok. if you remember i said it was part of smash's identity not it's identity in it's entirety. see it's like the old philosophical idea that if you replace all the parts of something then it is no longer the same, the ship of theseus or if you prefer peter capaldi had a version about a broom. so likewise if change all the parts of game's identity then it's no longer the same game. so how many of smash's parts are left? a game about nintendo's all stars: gone, nintendo stuff is still in the majority but by sakurai's own admission the game is no longer about nintendo. a unique spin on the fighting genre: mostly gone, with platform fighters now a whole sub-genre and ultimate including things more in line with a traditional fighter i'm not sure you can say this anymore. set in aworld about toys/trophies coming to life to fight: still there but not confirmed until sora's trailer. playing as characters who aren't normally in fighters: still in the majority but no longer exclusively, and a number of the more popular 4th party characters have been in loads of fighters. a celebration of gaming: still here and always been here, even in the days when it was all about nintendo it was all about nintendo's games, no hanafuda trophy, no ultra arm item, no taxi stage.
