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While I am here, I might as well ask.
With the inclusion of Simon Belmont and rumors of Ryu, what other 80s mascots (actual mascots and not randos from popular games) are we missing? I am an uncultured swine so i don't know many 80s games outside those already in smash
That's a matter of perspective. Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden seems to be the biggest one.

Cases could be made for Billy/Jimmy Lee from Double Dragon, Jason and/or SOFIA from Blaster Master, Kunio/Alex from River City Ransom, the Battletoads, Frogger, Bill Rizer from Contra, Pitfall Harry... I could go on and on, but the characters would probably get more and more obscure as the list gets longer.
 
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While I am here, I might as well ask.
With the inclusion of Simon Belmont and rumors of Ryu, what other 80s mascots (actual mascots and not randos from popular games) are we missing? I am an uncultured swine so i don't know many 80s games outside those already in smash
Bomberman?
Unless you're talking about franchises that are not strictly represented in Smash in any shape or form, which in that case I'd say Tetris.
 

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While I am here, I might as well ask.
With the inclusion of Simon Belmont and rumors of Ryu, what other 80s mascots (actual mascots and not randos from popular games) are we missing? I am an uncultured swine so i don't know many 80s games outside those already in smash
Well...
 

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if it HAS to be first party, what character is going to draw people in? Midna twili form? idk. If astral chains is a hit i think that would be an interesting addition that is both unique and Nintendo only.

im much more interested in seeing more third-party sepiroth coming out as DLC with FF7 remake, dante or some other capcom rep like monster hunter are all big enough character to generate the hype among people outside hardcore Nintendo fandom.
It might be my bias speaking somewhat, but Elma. Since Rex is basically out of the running, and Elma has a guest appearance in Xenoblade 2, which boosted her popularity quite a bit, I think she’ll be pretty much the anti-Corrin in terms of hype generated for DLC. She’s also a female character which DLC has yet to have (Kazooie doesn’t count as she’s 1/2 of the Banjo and Kazooie duo), and fans have been clamoring for the Xenoblade X-verse to make a comeback somehow.
 

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elma would be cool but idk how well this character would be received generally. The bar is in the clouds i dont think a 1st party character comes close to it. The dlc newcomers have literally all been the most recognizable characters from their respective genres and games that have become modern classics or adveritdements (but no one wants another corin)

the past patterns lead me to expect someone like dante or sepiorth or sora as the most likely choices to close season 1 of dlc.
 

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if it HAS to be first party, what character is going to draw people in? Midna twili form? idk. If astral chains is a hit i think that would be an interesting addition that is both unique and Nintendo only.

im much more interested in seeing more third-party sepiroth coming out as DLC with FF7 remake, dante or some other capcom rep like monster hunter are all big enough character to generate the hype among people outside hardcore Nintendo fandom.
Joker was the initial character to hype up the Fighter Pass near Ultimate's release so there's a good chance we'll be waiting a long time before we get more A-list 3rd party picks again at least as far as the Western fanbase is concerned.
 

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Bomberman?
Unless you're talking about franchises that are not strictly represented in Smash in any shape or form, which in that case I'd say Tetris.
We actually have Tetris music in the game already.

I'd love an insane character idea of a playable Tetris block, but Piranha Plant kinda already fits that crazy, unexpected, unique fighter of Ultimate.
EDIT: So with alleged info that at least one DLC character was negotiated as far back as around the time Smash for Switch was announced, and the possibility that the Fighter's Pass may be the only DLC we're getting, does that lend a kind of air of futility to our campaign efforts in this Smash Ultimate period?
 
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We actually have Tetris music in the game already.

I'd love an insane character idea of a playable Tetris block, but Piranha Plant kinda already fits that crazy, unexpected, unique fighter of Ultimate.
EDIT: So with alleged info that at least one DLC character was negotiated as far back as around the time Smash for Switch was announced, and the possibility that the Fighter's Pass may be the only DLC we're getting, does that lend a kind of air of futility to our campaign efforts in this Smash Ultimate period?
You answered your own question I’d think - at least one. So no, I don’t think it’s over yet. If you said at most one, then yeah.
 

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This is the first I'm hearing that Pokemon characters even get a bunch of hate.

The Fire Emblem character hate I consider fairly justified, not because the characters or the games are bad, but because the series simply doesn't deserve to have as many characters as it does based on it's popularity.

Mario and Pokemon are the two franchises with the most character in Smash, and are Nintendo's two biggest franchises. So it makes total sense.

Fire Emblem is the 3rd most represented franchise in Smash, and is like Nintendo's 10th most popular franchise. It simply doesn't warrant having the amount of characters that it does.
arbitrarily limiting character choices because of franchise popularity is a very good idea. won't come back to bite anyone in the ass at all. nope. its the perfect way to build your crossover roster.
 
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And let's be real, if franchise popularity determined how many characters got in, we wouldn't have two EarthBound characters.


We'd have none.
 

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And let's be real, if franchise popularity determined how many characters got in, we wouldn't have two EarthBound characters.


We'd have none.
And we wouldn’t have ANYTHING from F-Zero either
 

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We actually have Tetris music in the game already.

I'd love an insane character idea of a playable Tetris block, but Piranha Plant kinda already fits that crazy, unexpected, unique fighter of Ultimate.
EDIT: So with alleged info that at least one DLC character was negotiated as far back as around the time Smash for Switch was announced, and the possibility that the Fighter's Pass may be the only DLC we're getting, does that lend a kind of air of futility to our campaign efforts in this Smash Ultimate period?
I feel like there's going to be another crazy, unexpected, unique fighter as the 4th/5th character in the pass(Most likely 4th because it fits the more unexpected part and also if the crazy character was the 5th one, people will rage in salt when that happens.
 

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I feel like there's going to be another crazy, unexpected, unique fighter as the 4th/5th character in the pass(Most likely 4th because it fits the more unexpected part and also if the crazy character was the 5th one, people will rage in salt when that happens.
People will most likely rage in salt no matter who the 5th character is. Especially since Sakurai notoriously tends to leave the more niche characters for last. Unless we get another fighters pass confirmed straight after that. We're most likely going to end up with a huge salt mine by the time the last character is revealed and support for the game has officially ended (outside of balance and amiibo patches).
 

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This is the first I'm hearing that Pokemon characters even get a bunch of hate.

The Fire Emblem character hate I consider fairly justified, not because the characters or the games are bad, but because the series simply doesn't deserve to have as many characters as it does based on it's popularity.

Mario and Pokemon are the two franchises with the most character in Smash, and are Nintendo's two biggest franchises. So it makes total sense.

Fire Emblem is the 3rd most represented franchise in Smash, and is like Nintendo's 10th most popular franchise. It simply doesn't warrant having the amount of characters that it does.
Its not really justified, at least when it comes to the existing veterans: half of its roster were easy to make clones, it has the third largest amount of viable candidates (after the aforementioned Pokémon and Super Mario franchises), the two most redundant FE characters are the ones with the largest amount of actual starpower, and the Lords in general are all moderately popular characters within the Smash fanbase who fill a important gameplay niche for both casual and more seasoned players being the straightforward, easy to use swordsmen.

Outside of very specific situations like Andy/Isaac vs Ike, Elma vs Corrin, and Zelda vs FE (the former being held to a much stricter standard than the latter for arbitrary reasons), most FE haters are really petty, reek of entitlement, and come across as being just obnoxious as the 1st party Nintendo purists and the diehard Melee elitists.
 
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And let's be real, if franchise popularity determined how many characters got in, we wouldn't have two EarthBound characters.
We'd have none.
According to Famitsu readers, Earthbound is the 4th favorite Nintendo game in 2019. It was also the 4th favorite Nintendo game in 2017.
 

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Eh, personally, I got my most wanted, so I'm in more for interesting characters, no matter where they come from. That, and I love my niche/obscure/crazy character picks.

But, to play devil's advocate for a second... "series popularity shouldn't matter"? Funny, a lot of people were singing a very different tune before this E3...

Anyway, I don't think we're getting first party characters. It's not even a matter of hype (as Nintendo leaves the least hype characters for last anyway), but rather of risk.

If spirits deconfirm, then FETH or Pokémon SWSH become pretty much the only viable choices for the combo character + stage + music. However, winter 2018 (after Banjo in the fall) would be too late to advertise Three Houses and SWSH.

There's Sylux, but in that case it's too early, especially because the character may or may not become more relevant with MP4... which is all the way into next year.

Honestly, I feel like unless we get a Spirit promotion somehow (which I doubt), it's really just safer for Nintendo to go with third party picks that may cost a pretty penny, but that are more guaranteed to sell well compared to those picks.
 
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According to Famitsu readers, Earthbound is the 4th favorite Nintendo game in 2019. It was also the 4th favorite Nintendo game in 2017.
The poll only had 7000 votes. That isn't exactly a huge sample size. The series sales speak a much different story.
 

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So y'all hear about this so called bird leak/rumor?

Maybe the female fighting game character could be true and Nakoruru. Sakurai likes to surprise us with sleeper/dark horse picks especially since with:ultjoker:

I hope because I fully welcome her. She's unique with a creative moveset which Sakurai likes. Could see it even being revealed at EVO given its theme of fighting games.
 

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So y'all hear about this so called bird leak/rumor?

Maybe the female fighting game character could be true and Nakoruru. Sakurai likes to surprise us with sleeper/dark horse picks especially since with:ultjoker:

I hope because I fully welcome her. She's unique with a creative moveset which Sakurai likes. Could see it even being revealed at EVO given its theme of fighting games.
Can't say I've heard of it... where did this rumor come from, exactly?
 
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That just sounds like cherry picking honestly. It doesn't matter what type of game it is so long as it's clearly making money.

It's just a series that lends itself well to characters, considering there are over 800 named characters in the franchise itself.
Taxes bring in lots of money, but that don’t make em popular
 

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elma would be cool but idk how well this character would be received generally. The bar is in the clouds i dont think a 1st party character comes close to it. The dlc newcomers have literally all been the most recognizable characters from their respective genres and games that have become modern classics or adveritdements (but no one wants another corin)

the past patterns lead me to expect someone like dante or sepiorth or sora as the most likely choices to close season 1 of dlc.
Both Sephiroth and Sora have been deconfirmed by Hero, assuming we are only getting one rep per company (and given Square's treatment of FF in smash, Sephiroth is almost just a wet dream at this point). Dante those has nothing against him.

Eh, personally, I got my most wanted, so I'm in more for interesting characters, no matter where they come from. That, and I love my niche/obscure/crazy character picks.

But, to play devil's advocate for a second... series popularity shouldn't matter? Funny, a lot of people were singing a very different tune before this E3...

Anyway, I don't think we're getting first party characters. It's not even a matter of hype (as Nintendo leaves the least hype characters for last anyway), but rather of risk.

If spirits deconfirm, then FETH or Pokémon SWSH become pretty much the only viable choices for the combo character + stage + music. However, winter 2018 (after Banjo in the fall) would be too late to advertise Three Houses and SWSH.

There's Sylux, but in that case it's too early, especially because the character may or may not become more relevant with MP4... which is all the way into next year.

Honestly, I feel like unless we get a Spirit promotion somehow (which I doubt), it's really just safer for Nintendo to go with third party picks that may cost a pretty penny, but that are more guaranteed to sell well compared to those picks.
We have a lot of first party missing spirits who could potentially bring alone a stage. Porky is the biggest example, with no spirit and several notable EB/M3 spirits not being here. Stage could potentially be an issue, but they could just make a better Mother 3 stage (or even go with a non-city Earthbound stage like Cave of the Past or Happy Happy Village).

I also like to point out Sacho from Pikmin, a notable character from Pikmin 2 and 3 (even if he wasn't seen in the latter), lacks a spirit as well. They could also go for a Pikmin enemy if they really feel like going for a bizarre fighter. Realistically though unless either is an important character to the perpetually-delayed Pikmin 4 it ain't happening
 

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The poll only had 7000 votes. That isn't exactly a huge sample size. The series sales speak a much different story.
Earthbound has been very popular on Virtual Console in Western Europe. In addition, the affection for an old game can also have for origin the unofficial emulation, which doesn't appear in the official sales.
 

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We have a lot of first party missing spirits who could potentially bring alone a stage. Porky is the biggest example, with no spirit and several notable EB/M3 spirits not being here. Stage could potentially be an issue, but they could just make a better Mother 3 stage (or even go with a non-city Earthbound stage like Cave of the Past or Happy Happy Village).
Oh, absolutely. There are still a few stragglers here and there. But the ones that would arguably sell the most are all Spirits. So I don't think if any of those remaining characters would be as profitable as, say, Jill Valentine or Doomguy. That was my point, I pretty much picked the three examples I did just to illustrate that.
 

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People will most likely rage in salt no matter who the 5th character is. Especially since Sakurai notoriously tends to leave the more niche characters for last. Unless we get another fighters pass confirmed straight after that. We're most likely going to end up with a huge salt mine by the time the last character is revealed and support for the game has officially ended (outside of balance and amiibo patches).
I wouldn't be surprise if Sakurai chose a obscure /niche franchise like Yo-kai Watch, Katamari Damacy, Hyperdimension Neptunia or The Idolmaster
as the last franchise to be picked up for the fighter pass.
 

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I've been looking at this european starling thing for hours and basically all I have is:

The star is important which might mean Geno?
The european is important which might mean Crash
A natural predator of starlings is the Peregrine Falcon which is what Ryu Hayabusa translates to
The main protagonist of Lollipop Chainsaw is called Juliet Starling. Which would be a wild deep cut Suda 51 pick
 

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I've been looking at this european starling thing for hours and basically all I have is:

The star is important which might mean Geno?
The european is important which might mean Crash
A natural predator of starlings is the Peregrine Falcon which is what Ryu Hayabusa translates to
The main protagonist of Lollipop Chainsaw is called Juliet Starling. Which would be a wild deep cut Suda 51 pick
... What part of European implies Crash though?
 

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Crash is one of the few franchises which sells super well in Europe. Most of the N. Sane sales are from European

It is a stretch
Yeah I think that's way too big of a stretch, honestly, as someone who would absolutely love to have Crash.
 

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Yeah I think that's way too big of a stretch, honestly, as someone who would absolutely love to have Crash.
Oh absolutely, this was just me putting thoughts down. I do think European Starling means something though. Like why specify the breed?

Although I do enjoy that if you reverse image search it says Blackbird.
 
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Oh absolutely, this was just me putting thoughts down. I do think European Starling means something though. Like why specify the breed?

Although I do enjoy that if you reverse image search it says Blackbird.
A black colored bird sitting on a house.

Now I'm not saying it's pointing to Edelgard, buuuuut...
 

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I feel like the word dead is overused. Though I'm not sure what you mean by "dead", just that it's alive, but running on fumes? Cause that's an apt description of both series. They're both actually active in different ways. Banjo doesn't get new games, but they're pretty clearly using his IP over and over again via stuff like Rare Replay and the Merchandise. An IP is dead when they stop using it entirely. It's debatable whether or not constantly re-releasing stuff via a service counts as alive(like with Rare Replay), though. Castlevania is pretty much the opposite of dead, as it got a new game and a new show within the last few years.

I hope people realize that just cause the new item isn't a game, doesn't mean it's dead. That doesn't make any sense. The franchise is getting new stuff. How can it really be dead?
You would have to take that up with the person who I quoted that originally used the word "dead." I put it in quotation marks for a reason.
 

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You would have to take that up with the person who I quoted that originally used the word "dead." I put it in quotation marks for a reason.
Ah, fair.

Regardless, it's probably one of the worst-used words in speculation. Especially since people try to base fan-rules around it, oy.
 
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