Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Will]

That could mean he was a degenerate who gets off to seeing people upset and it is not at all a leap to see his statement that way since there was no such clarification on whether they were tears of joy or sadness.

Luckily for us, we're all normal human beings.

 

[Shroob]

It's EXTREMELY baffling. Where are you getting "most" from? I sure as hell didn't buy the pass. Why would I? I'm not alone on that. There's tons of people who are more comfortable buying characters that they actually want individually, because it saves more money in the long run. I would think that's most people.

How many copies of Ultimate sold within the first few months?

Like, 15 million.

How many have sold since?


Maybe like, 5, 6 million?


Sales of product always comes within the first few months, that's just logical. Look at any open sales figure game on Steam or sales reports from Nintendo to see how front-loaded sales are. They're very not shy about shoving it in your face "Look how many copies we sold!", and then follow a game's lifetime sales over several months/years. It will never have the same BOOM as it did when it first came out.

This applies the exact same way to dlc.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

It's EXTREMELY baffling. Where are you getting "most" from? I sure as hell didn't buy the pass. Why would I?

Maybe a bunch of people waited until the end to decide. The first reveal is definitely the most important for sales, though. They want people to buy without knowing the rest, so they make it exciting. That gets less true at each reveal, because they have less to hide. The only reason to make the last reveal big is to keep people from souring on buying more DLC, but it seems that more DLC wasn't certain when fp1 was planned.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Should it NOT be, though?

Would it not be better for business to end with a bang?

Apparently not, because they consistently refuse to do it, but still. It's baffling.

I think the idea is to keep the hype going as quickly as possible for as long as possible without any lulls. They succeed pretty well, but then they always disappoint people in the end so I'm not sure it's worth it.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Luckily for us, we're all normal human beings.

Yeah, and normal people would see that statement and be like "yikes".

 

[Shroob]

Yeah, and normal people would see that statement and be like "yikes".

Considering you're the only person who's seeing "Warm and fuzzy feeling" in a menacing light and multiple people are correcting you.

No, not at all.

 

[Deleted member]

if y'all were angry about byleth hold on to your ****ing seats

Gatekeeper reports in! #SmashBrosUltimate pic.twitter.com/zrVkOCn49z

— Nintendo of Europe (@NintendoEurope) January 17, 2020

No he didn't. All he said was that he was "filled with a fuzzy feeling" over seeing people in tears. That could mean he was a degenerate who gets off to seeing people upset and it is not at all a leap to see his statement that way since there was no such clarification on whether they were tears of joy or sadness.

i know, context is hard

 

[Will]

Yeah, and normal people would see that statement and be like "yikes".

So you're saying I'm an irrational human being?

 

[Zeox]

People shouldn't complain about more FE, they should look at the bright side, there will be 6 more characters!

6 more chances of getting another new FE character! Hell yeah!

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Luckily for us, we're all normal human beings.

Didn't you just post a hoes mad meme?

 

[Will]

if y'all were angry about byleth hold on to your ****ing seats

Gatekeeper reports in! #SmashBrosUltimate pic.twitter.com/zrVkOCn49z

— Nintendo of Europe (@NintendoEurope) January 17, 2020

Found this in the twitter pile.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

This applies the exact same way to dlc.

If this is accurate, which I don't feel that it is, then there's only two things I can take away from this: 1.) Smash DLC is predatory and anti-consumer as ****, and 2.) people need to learn how to spend money more responsibly.

I think of people a little bit more charitably than that, though. I still think a good chunk of the people who are interested in Smash DLC held off on the pass until they actually saw characters that they were interested in.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

People shouldn't complain about more FE, they should look at the bright side, there will be 6 more characters!

6 more chances of getting another new FE character! Hell yeah!

Fingers crossed for another 6 lords who are easier versions of Lucina and Chrom.

 

[Will]

Didn't you just post a hoes mad meme?

Of all the things I've ever done, that's what makes me not normal?

 

[PsychoJosh]

Considering you're the only person who's seeing "Warm and fuzzy feeling" in a menacing light and multiple people are correcting you.

This is the same forum where people post things like 'hoes mad' and laugh at people who are upset over the Byleth reveal. No, it is not at all a leap of the imagination to imagine that you were enjoying schadenfreude over 'delicious gamer tears', especially since you did not clarify what you meant. Nearly everyone on Earth connotates tears with negative feelings.

 

[Shroob]

If this is accurate, which I don't feel that it is, then there's only two things I can take away from this: 1.) Smash DLC is predatory and anti-consumer as ****, and 2.) people need to learn how to spend money more responsibly.

I think of people a little bit more charitably than that, though. I still think a good chunk of the people who are interested in Smash DLC held off on the pass until they actually saw characters that they were interested in.

Nintendo themselves consider the fighter's pass a "HUGE SUCCESS" to the point they're doing it again, with an extra character.

You're allowed to think what you want, but Nintendo considered the pass a huge success, and is copying it's sales plan the exact same, but with a bonus character this time.


You don't copy things that failed financially.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Of all the things I've ever done, that's what makes me not normal?

It seemed to me that you were claiming to not experience schadenfreude.

 

[Shroob]

This is the same forum where people post things like 'hoes mad' and laugh at people who are upset over the Byleth reveal. No, it is not at all a leap of the imagination to imagine that you were enjoying schadenfreude over 'delicious gamer tears', especially since you did not clarify what you meant. Nearly everyone on Earth connotates tears with negative feelings.

I guess people aren't allowed to be soo happy they're in tears.

News to me.

 

[PsychoJosh]

I guess people aren't allowed to be soo happy they're in tears.

News to me.

It's news to you that people more commonly cry when they're upset than when they're happy? I guess you really need to interact with people more.

 

[Shroob]

It's news to you that people more commonly cry when they're upset than when they're happy? I guess you really need to interact with people more.

Oof oof ow, I almost cut myself on that edge

Relax brosephine. Ya made a mistake and people corrected you, it happens.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I LOVE Joker & think Hero/Byleth are solid choices, but man I hope we get some more game genre diversity in the next pass. Three JRPG characters so far is sort of overkill.

I think an FPS characters is sorely needed, it’s one of the biggest genres of all-time. Master Chief, Doom Slayer, Gordon Freeman, Tracer. Any of them would be a hype choice with an interesting moveset.

Another action game character to go alongside Bayonetta would be great too. Dante & Hayabusa would fit perfectly into Smash.

Horror would’ve been a good choice too. But Resident Evil would be the only viable choice & that ship seems to have sailed. But I guess Claire never had a spirit lol

Minecraft is its whole own genre at this point, so that’d be interesting.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

You don't copy things that failed financially.

I didn't say it failed. Obviously it was a success. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem unlikely that lots of people probably chose to hold off on it, because not everybody's cool with committing to a purchase like that. I'd say a significant number of people aren't cool with that, in fact. But you can have both.

 

[Lenidem]

The floodgates are free for literally everyone now. Byleth getting in harmed no one's chances. In fact, we all agreed that post-pass a Fire Emblem or a Pokemon character seemed inevitable. If anything, you're only irrationally upset over having to wait longer for whoever you want.

No I'm not. I don't care at all about three fighters in this pass, but I'm not upset about them, and I'm not "waiting" for anything because I know Skull Kid's chances are close to zero. But I would rather have characters I don't know from series I never heard about than more characters from already over-represented series. The fact that is seems extremely likely (rather than "inevitable") doesn't make it better.

 

[Will]

It seemed to me that you were claiming to not experience schadenfreude.

I totally am, dude. People can have their opinions. Disappointment and reasonable complaints aren't what lets me thrive. It's seeing the irrational lividness of others who **** on it and Sakurai without a second thought. It's Hero all over again.

Sometimes people act like he owes them something.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Oof oof ow, I almost cut myself on that edge

Relax brosephine. Ya made a mistake and people corrected you, it happens.

What edge lol that is literally the softest ribbing I could have said

Is it really so hard to admit that you were vague?

 

[Shroob]

I didn't say it failed. Obviously it was a success. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem unlikely that lots of people probably chose to hold off on it. You can have both.

That's obvious that not everyone bought the pass, no. There's probably a ton of players that are literal children or people that just didn't buy it.

But it was big enough to warrant a sequel, which means it made bank, hard, and the majority of those sales came very early on.


We're not debating "Did everyone buy the pass", we're debating "When did everyone buy the pass", and if Nintendo were to release a graph of sales, I 100% guarantee you the biggest spike would be December 2018 right after Joker was revealed, when the game officially was out, and after that it never met those same sales numbers.


That's just how digital goods sell.


Big spike at the beginning, lower numbers through its life.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

if y'all were angry about byleth hold on to your ****ing seats

Spoiler: Media

Gatekeeper reports in! #SmashBrosUltimate pic.twitter.com/zrVkOCn49z

— Nintendo of Europe (@NintendoEurope) January 17, 2020

He was considered for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, but then he took an arrow to the knee.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

Considering you're the only person who's seeing "Warm and fuzzy feeling" in a menacing light and multiple people are correcting you.

No, not at all.

I'm not paying close attention to this conversation, but I just wanted to say that I misinterpreted the fuzzy feeling comment as well, so s/he's not alone on that.

 

[osby]

I LOVE Joker & think Hero/Byleth are solid choices, but man I hope we get some more game genre diversity in the next pass. Three JRPG characters so far is sort of overkill.

Tbf, Fire Emblem is a strategy RPG and plays quite differently from classic turn based RPGs like DQ and Persona.

 

[Shroob]

What edge lol that is literally the softest ribbing I could have said

Is it really so hard to admit that you were vague?

No, because like, 5 people have chimed in and didn't come to the same conclusion as you lol. So if I'm vague, they're just as vague.

 

[I.D.]

People shouldn't complain about more FE, they should look at the bright side, there will be 6 more characters!

6 more chances of getting another new FE character! Hell yeah!

This is true. It's more like 5 characters anyway since one of the 6 slots is 100% going to a Fire Emblem character of the upcoming remake.

 

[PsychoJosh]

No, because like, 5 people have chimed in and didn't come to the same conclusion as you lol. So if I'm vague, they're just as vague.

No, it was more like two other people, and someone just came and chimed in that they interpreted it the same way as me.

 

[GuiltyGyarados]

Big spike at the beginning, lower numbers through its life.

Even so, as someone who didn't buy the pass, I STILL think that it's dumb for business to not end the pass with a bang. Because it dissuades people like me from getting the second one, now that I've caught on to their scheme, where they drop a couple bombs at the beginning, only to toss in some tripe towards the end.

If they weren't like this, I'd be more likely to get the pass. I just would. But that's just me.

 

[P.Kat]

Speaking of, genuine question, if you bought the pass, when did you buy it and do you regret it? If you regret it, was it because of more than 1 character, which would easily make you feel like you wasted money?

Sorry if this is late.
I actually took a leap of faith and bought the pass as soon as it was available, and honestly I wasn't really disappointed:

Joker: Having one of my most wanted characters enter the fray with his fast smooth fighting style, definitely hyped up this pass for me, and made me excited for what was to come.

Hero:
As cool as he is his fighting style didn't really mesh with my playstyle. Out of all the fighters I can sadly say I liked him the least

Banjo & Kazooie: At first I wasn't sure how to feel about this character, but after playing them I grew to like them. They're not too slow, their attacks are hilarious; they're a fun pick from time to time.

Terry: I love fighting games, and although I haven't played much Fatal Fury, I've certainly heard of Terry beforehand. I like how he's easier to play than Ken, and Ryu, and is easily up there with Joker as one of my favorite characters from the pass. There's nothing better than going from f-tilt to BUSTER WOLF!!!

Byleth: Right of the bat, I'll say that I don't mind getting more FE characters in Smash, I really don't (although right now, the only FE rep I really want is Lyn), so I welcome Byleth's inclusion to Smash with open arms. I like their weapon swap feature, that's a good move on Sakurai's part.
My only nitpick is that they have low mobility, I can understand why, with all their long range attacks but it still bums me out since I like speedy characters. But if can make an exception for Corrin, then I can do the same for them, but I have wait and see how they play of course.

Long story short: I liked 4/5 characters in the pass (sorry Hero). So I really felt like I got my money's worth.

Edit: I plan to get the 2nd pass asap as well too.

 

[Shroob]

No, it was more like two other people, and someone just came and chimed in that they interpreted it the same way as me.

Sorry Charlie, I guess that means I must have menacing warm and fuzzy feelings towards you then.

 

[I.D.]

No, because like, 5 people have chimed in and didn't come to the same conclusion as you lol. So if I'm vague, they're just as vague.

Those people came to your conclusion because they happen to be on your side and this argument you two are having is ********

 

[Deleted member]

People shouldn't complain about more FE, they should look at the bright side, there will be 6 more characters!

6 more chances of getting another new FE character! Hell yeah!

the future..

 

[WeirdSandwich]

Good for you. I'm not even talking about balance, I'm just talking about how stagnant and boring the game has become because of their focus on making numbers go up more than anything that would actually future-proof the game like having new mechanics and modes or doing something actually interesting with the interactions of all the IP involved in Smash. Or at the very least making the netcode not suck. If you're having fun, then have fun, but that doesn't absolve this game of criticism for all its flaws.

Okay, I understand your criticism of Ultimate better now, this makes a lot of sense. Ultimate is definitely designed to be a refinement of the previous games, and doesn't really bring anything new in terms of mechanics or modes. But I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Feature bloat can start to bog down game series as they go on, and one of the major appeals of Smash is its simplicity and accessibility. And there has been some effort to give individual characters unique mechanics in their movesets in the last 2 games, however minor they are.

New modes would have been good, but then it becomes a question of development resources. They focused on packing in as many characters as possible instead and relying on the core Smash mode. And you can justifiably criticize that choice, but the hard thing about fan criticism is that separate groups of fans will criticize either approach. If we had an extra game mode but no or few new characters, a whole bunch of fans would be crying out about the lack of new characters. So developers need to make a judgement on which criticism is justified, and I think choosing to keep the mechanics the same and increasing character count was the right call. Even if I would like more game modes (maybe we should get a DLC game mode pack instead of more characters at this point).

I'm only talking about the base game here. I do think the Byleth pick is blatantly ignoring justifiable fan criticism, with that jab at "another sword fighter".

And yes, the online modes are atrocious and I'd rather they fix that before adding any new characters. That's by far the biggest flaw of the game, and one that is absolutely not justifiable.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Sorry Charlie, I guess that means I must have menacing warm and fuzzy feelings towards you then.

Neither of us are right or wrong, and you haven't posted anything about feeling warmed up by my tears, so it's fine.

 

[Shroob]

Those people came to your conclusion because they happen to be on your side and this argument you two are having is ********

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