New way to grab ledges?

[Dominus Felis]

I was playing a match and I dash attacked towards the ledge while holding the opposite direction as Mario and something amazing happened! I turned around and grabbed the ledge. I have not tried this with any other characters yet but I'm sure a few more do this too. I have performed this on Yoshi's Story to test slanted edges and Final Destination is where I discovered it. I am off to test more characters!

 

[Dominus Felis]

I just tested all of the characters and this is a list of all heroes who can grab the edge using this technique.
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Ganondorf
Mewtwo
Charizard
Zero Suit Samus
King Dedede

I recommend you use this every time you grab ledge from the stage with these heroes, except Captain Falcon, because his side+b works better, with the same tactic. I am so glad this worked as well as it did. 1/4 of the heroes in the game can do something none of the others can which is great!

 

[Phaiyte]

Every character can do it. You just slide off the stage in the middle of your running turn around animation. It's faster to wavedash for the ledge either way though.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

How does this work with platforms or does it not work with'em?

 

[Dominus Felis]

Every character can do it. You just slide off the stage in the middle of your running turn around animation. It's faster to wavedash for the ledge either way though.

No, not every character can do it. The entire dash attack animation goes through this way. You can see the entire thing and for example with Mario he slides on the floor, via his dash attack animation, just as it normally would. If I hold the opposite way I'm sliding the frame it's over Mario is in the air facing the ledge. Next frame he's on the edge.

TL:DR we're not talking about the same thing.

 

[Dominus Felis]

How does this work with platforms or does it not work with'em?

It works fine on platforms but it's not useful...

 

[cod3kill]

I think this is really cool, but I don't think it's super duper useful because of how slow it is, I feel like just wavedashing onto the ledge or RARing onto the ledge would be more beneficial. Could be good for a mind game when edge guarding or for making dash attacks near the edge safe maybe?

 

[Dominus Felis]

making dash attacks near the edge safe maybe?

I think it's very useful for Dedede who's dash attack is almost always punished, but this way it's invincible if it hits.

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

I think it's very useful for Dedede who's dash attack is almost always punished, but this way it's invincible if it hits.

It doesn't work for Dedede at all.

 

[Frozn~]

Can you use it to punish a sloppy recovery and follow up with a ledgehop Bair? Because I can see Mario using that a lot.

 

[GeZ]

But taking ledge is faster if you just turn around WD.

Also this is already known.

And the only character who can apply it to something really cool is Falcon, who can DA > fall of stage > Wall Jump > Fair, where he couldn't but the fair before.

 

[LandonRobinson]

I was playing a match and I dash attacked towards the ledge while holding the opposite direction as Mario and something amazing happened! I turned around and grabbed the ledge. I have not tried this with any other characters yet but I'm sure a few more do this too. I have performed this on Yoshi's Story to test slanted edges and Final Destination is where I discovered it. I am off to test more characters!

I've had that happen as well! I still think I prefer wavedash back to the ledge and autograb that way, but this is definitely a great mix up.

 

[Dominus Felis]

It doesn't work for Dedede at all.

I agree that in 3.5 Dedede no longer can use this technique.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

This was actually discovered by "Mr. Lemon".

The technique is called the "Lemon Grab".

 

[Sweet™]

You can do this in Melee with Mario and Doc.

 

[Dominus Felis]

You can do this in Melee with Mario and Doc.

No, I just tried it like 20 times each and neither can perform this.

 

[Sweet™]

Oh. I must be imagining this gif then.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

@ Mr.Lemon look at this thread.

No, I just tried it like 20 times each and neither can perform this.

They both can. In melee, You can't just hold the opposite direction, it works differently. I am a little consistent at the Lemon Grab in melee, but I needed to find out the timing first.

 

[Mr.Lemon]

Yea I discovered this a couple months ago, it can be done by a variety of characters including Doc in melee & in PM. Also SleepyK knew about this before I did, it's nothing too spectacular kind of difficult to do in battle. Here's some more info on it.

http://smashboards.com/threads/you-can-ledge-grab-with-docs-dash-attack.360222/
http://smashboards.com/threads/doc-advanced-tech-frame-data-megathread.378813/