New Peach or Old Peach?

[Bolshoi]

I was just thinking, if Peach is in Brawl, are they going to keep her old moveset, or replace it with a more Super Princess Peach friendly moveset?

Personally, I think they'll replace it, and give her a more personal batch of moves.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

I hope she keeps her old moveset, and doesn't get nerfed at all.

Turnips, great aerials, DJC, floating, float canceling, dsmash...Peach is TOO GOOD.

 

[Seyasha]

I hope there is a mix. Keep all thye ariels, but replace the smashes, and 2 of the specials. Maybe some new grabs would make improve her rank on a brawl tier list.

 

[ZäP]

Personally I think that they should chance the move set a little bit. First d-smash, it deserves to be nerfed or removed completely, not that it's too powerful(ok it's powerful), but people who just spam it are annoying. Turnips are fine as long as your opponent won't drew three bob-ombs in a row. Rest of moves are fine, allthough peach's nair truly annoys me, like you can get in any place you want to stop combo, but le it stay it's not that bad.

 

[EnFerris]

If she loses her sports equipment smash, it could go to Mii. That would be convenient. However, Peach's classic moeveset is freaking sweet and Super Princess Peach hasn't been around enough long enough to become standard.

Frankly, I would kind of like Peach to be cut. I love how she plays in Melee, but I don't really think she plays a large enough role in enough Mario games to be included. This has been changing recently, but I would give it some more time. Five Mario characters is a comfortable number. I'm conflicted.

 

[EggBomb]

I would like Peach to retain her old moveset in Brawl. I would also be fine with small tweakings (like many of the characters were from SSB to SSBM).

 

[Starmanclock]

I think they should change half and leave the rest. She does have good moves, but some... suck.

 

[experiment111]

Peach spammers r annoying, but the moveset can stay pretty much the same (cept maybe a tiny bit o nerfin on teh D-smash).

 

[tstumo]

If she loses her sports equipment smash, it could go to Mii. That would be convenient. However, Peach's classic moeveset is freaking sweet and Super Princess Peach hasn't been around enough long enough to become standard.

Frankly, I would kind of like Peach to be cut. I love how she plays in Melee, but I don't really think she plays a large enough role in enough Mario games to be included. This has been changing recently, but I would give it some more time. Five Mario characters is a comfortable number. I'm conflicted.

uh no. first of all Mii being in brawl must be a joke. not to be mean. And Peach getting cut is a ridiculous thing for you to say. it would never ever happen. she's too important. Peach, Mario ,Luigi,Bowser are the most important of the mario world. if it wasnt for Peach mario would be out of a job lol. but seriously the only move i think they need to change is the toad move.

 

[Tsukuyomi]

I think Peach should have her comeback... Everything should be kept the same...

Yes, her D-Smash is a bit powerful, but its basically the victims fault for falling into it and DIing the wrong direction... Turnips, Toad, Butt Bomb (sorry, forgot what's it called), and other attacks has its negative values, which should evens things out...

 

[GoldenGlove]

I doubt she'll remain exactly the same, but I hope they don't nerf her too much. If they nerf her as much as they nerfed kirby, it would be a disaster >.>

 

[EnFerris]

uh no. first of all Mii being in brawl must be a joke. not to be mean. And Peach getting cut is a ridiculous thing for you to say. it would never ever happen. she's too important. Peach, Mario ,Luigi,Bowser are the most important of the mario world. if it wasnt for Peach mario would be out of a job lol. but seriously the only move i think they need to change is the toad move.

Here's the thing: Mario has tons of characters. The franchise could take over Brawl if no one's careful. As it is, there are already five Mario characters, not counting DK. Wario's being added, which brings it up to six. That's half again as many as the runner ups for slots got in Melee. The only criteria I can come up with for Mario inclusion is "playable or villain in more than one mainline game." Yoshi is arguably more important than Peach. I just don't get playing Ever-Distressed Damsels. I'm more upset that she was included in Melee. She's proved herself enough as not-a-damsel by now, but only just.

Also: for Nintendo to sell miis, they need to be included in as many games as possible. Most games have established continuities into which the miis will not clearly fit. Smash Bros. is not so burdened.

Finally: if it wasn't for the Triforce, Link, zelda, and Gannondorf wouldn't have anything to fight about, but is the triforce playable?

 

[shadenexus18]

I'm not a Peach playa myself, however, I think they should leave her moves as is.

I wonder what her super move is gonna be.

 

[Bolshoi]

Here's the thing: Mario has tons of characters. The franchise could take over Brawl if no one's careful. As it is, there are already five Mario characters, not counting DK. Wario's being added, which brings it up to six. That's half again as many as the runner ups for slots got in Melee. The only criteria I can come up with for Mario inclusion is "playable or villain in more than one mainline game." Yoshi is arguably more important than Peach. I just don't get playing Ever-Distressed Damsels. I'm more upset that she was included in Melee. She's proved herself enough as not-a-damsel by now, but only just.

Also: for Nintendo to sell miis, they need to be included in as many games as possible. Most games have established continuities into which the miis will not clearly fit. Smash Bros. is not so burdened.

Finally: if it wasn't for the Triforce, Link, zelda, and Gannondorf wouldn't have anything to fight about, but is the triforce playable?

The only Mario characters are Peach, Mario, Luigi, and Bowzer. Yoshi is in from his own games, as is Wario. Now, with Super Princess Peach, Peach might become a technical stand alone as well.

 

[Zook]

Yoshi is in from his own games

No, he's not.

as is Wario.

No, he's not.

Now, with Super Princess Peach, Peach might become a technical stand alone as well.

That's like saying Luigi will, just because he had his own game.

Remember when Luigi's Mansion came out and everyone thought Luigi would get his own series...?

 

[tstumo]

yoshi, wario, and Dk are representing their own franchises hence that's why they have different signs and theme songs for their victory. mario, peach,luigi, and bowser all have the mushroom sign and the mario theme. so yeah he's right.

 

[Croco]

I would get rid of the "Toad Block" move..
replace it from something recent which peach is known for from Super Princess Peach.

But that is IF toad is a playable character.

 

[EnFerris]

yoshi, wario, and Dk are representing their own franchises hence that's why they have different signs and theme songs for their victory. mario, peach,luigi, and bowser all have the mushroom sign and the mario theme. so yeah he's right.

Wario and Donkey Kong have multiple titles in games that play inherently differently from Mario games, and don't seem to have anything to do with the Mario Universe. Yoshi, not so much... However, they certainly don't COME from their own games. Their origins lay squarely in the Mario franchise. As far as I am concerned, only DK can count as separate since the original DK was Cranky Kong. (Really!) I still want to see an event match where Mario fights Bowser, Wario, and Donkey Kong at the same time.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

I think not much will change from Peach. Her B move will stay the same, but instead of pulling out Toad, she will use Perry. Perry will also be used for her Up+B instead of the plain white parasol. Also, an emotion themed Super would be nice

 

[D.A.N.]

I think most of Peach's A moves can stay, but she may get some B moves to look like her emotion triggered moves from the DS game. I wouldn't mind.

 

[Bolshoi]

Wario and Donkey Kong have multiple titles in games that play inherently differently from Mario games, and don't seem to have anything to do with the Mario Universe. Yoshi, not so much... However, they certainly don't COME from their own games. Their origins lay squarely in the Mario franchise. As far as I am concerned, only DK can count as separate since the original DK was Cranky Kong. (Really!) I still want to see an event match where Mario fights Bowser, Wario, and Donkey Kong at the same time.

Yoshi is representing Yoshi Story. Sure he originated as a Mario character, but in Smash, he is considered representing his own franchise, which is why his symbol and song are different.

 

[Tiamat]

Officially, he's considered to be representing his own franchise, but unofficially, he's ALWAYS been Mario related in some way, and that includes all the Yoshi games.

 

[ZäP]

I think Peach should have her comeback... Everything should be kept the same...

Yes, her D-Smash is a bit powerful, but its basically the victims fault for falling into it and DIing the wrong direction... Turnips, Toad, Butt Bomb (sorry, forgot what's it called), and other attacks has its negative values, which should evens things out...

Personally I don't think that it's opponents fault always, since there are people who just spam d-smash and so it's spammers fault. Ofcourse there are situations when it's non-peach players fault like grouch(sp?) canlelling with samus in d-smash.


Basicly we could keep the move set with slight differences, we could keep d-smash just nerf it a little, like fully charged d-smash could do only max40% or something like that. Turnips could go same, but remove bob-omb from ramdomly picked items and no replace item that could do the same. Air moves are fine, unless they want chance nair a bit more laggy.

Oh yes I almost forgot, that u-smash "sweet pot" hit.

 

[virtualgamecafe]

peach needs new non defence moves and a ranged attack besides turnip and needs to put toad away and have another move like get captured by bowser just kidding... just a new b move turnip can stay butt-bomb stupid butt (pun entended) can make her scoot over when she needs to get back to land

 

[Jenkins: Spy Monkey]

I think Peach should have some SPP moves. Peach is my most used character, and I almost never use Peach Bomber or Toad. So there's two moves and maybe a super smash that's based on her game, while she still has a wealth of moves that stay the same.

 

[El HP]

Take out the stupid down smash.

As for representation is obvious that Wario and DK have their own series and are not related to the mario bros universe.

 

[Tiamat]

Technically, it's more like their series have the ability to exist independently of the Mario universe, because they do still cross over a little bit here and there (Wario has a Mario Dartboard in his office and Kremling goalie is in Mario Strikers, for example). Still, those are only sparse or indirect things, so it's close enough that you can say they're generally independent of Mario.

(Yoshi, on the other hand, ALWAYS has a big connection to Mario or some major Mario aspect in his games)

 

[Starmanclock]

I believe the pull out toad should be replaced with a Perry charge up beam.

 

[El HP]

Technically, it's more like their series have the ability to exist independently of the Mario universe, because they do still cross over a little bit here and there (Wario has a Mario Dartboard in his office and Kremling goalie is in Mario Strikers, for example). Still, those are only sparse or indirect things, so it's close enough that you can say they're generally independent of Mario.

(Yoshi, on the other hand, ALWAYS has a big connection to Mario or some major Mario aspect in his games)

You got a point but seeing that cross overs are not very significant let's take enemys for example you dont see goombas, koopas or piranha plants in any DK or Wario games the locations as well are diferent and besides you mention games which are spin-offs as for yoshi i completely agree.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Here's what I think. Make Toad his own character. Incorporate some of Peach's old moveset into his (his block/spore attack becomes his own B move, he can pull up turnips, etc.) Then leave Peach's A moves alone, and give her special moveset a complete makeover using moves from Super PMS Princess Peach.

XD I'm sorry, I just find it hilarious that her entire game hinges on her being unbeleivably emotional.

It had to be done, didn't it?

 

[Chipman]

Technically, it's more like their series have the ability to exist independently of the Mario universe, because they do still cross over a little bit here and there (Wario has a Mario Dartboard in his office and Kremling goalie is in Mario Strikers, for example). Still, those are only sparse or indirect things, so it's close enough that you can say they're generally independent of Mario.

(Yoshi, on the other hand, ALWAYS has a big connection to Mario or some major Mario aspect in his games)

That's not completely true.

Where did DK first appear? He appeared as DK in Donkey Kong, fighting Mario.
Where does he always show up now? He appears in every Mario game I can think of, as a character (not a picture on a wall or anything) except the "proper" Mario games, he's even gone back to his rivalry days with Mario vs Donkey Kong.

Now, Wario. I can't recall his original game, but I'm pretty certain it was a Mario game. Mario vs. Wario, I think...

Yoshi, which you haven't mentioned, but others have, is definitely Mario. He's had a few spin-offs as the main character, but all of them included the Mario Universe:
Yoshi's Island = Rescue Baby Mario and Luigi
Yoshi's Story = Not sure
Yoshi's Touch And Go = Rescue Baby Mario
Yoshi's Island DS = Rescue lots of Mario characters

 

[Kazuky]

ooaa well i hope peach stays the same .. i love her ... --* i know it sounds weird... but it will be ok if they put toad too as a nex character too....

o yea im definetly a peach user hehe

jio jio jio sayonara n_n

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

I'd like to see Daisy take Peach's melee moveset (with maybe a few changes, like slightly nerfing the dsmash), and Peach to get a moveset based on Super Princess Peach. That way, people who used Peach in Melee can use Daisy in brawl, and people looking for a new playstyle can play the new Peach.

 

[Starmanclock]

Now, Wario. I can't recall his original game, but I'm pretty certain it was a Mario game. Mario vs. Wario, I think...

I believe it is Super Mario Land II, and yes he was the villian in that game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Where did DK first appear? He appeared as DK in Donkey Kong, fighting Mario.
Where does he always show up now? He appears in every Mario game I can think of, as a character (not a picture on a wall or anything) except the "proper" Mario games, he's even gone back to his rivalry days with Mario vs Donkey Kong.

So your calling DK a Mario character!? *slaps in the face*

As far as I am concerned, only DK can count as separate since the original DK was Cranky Kong. (Really!)

That's the real story! The DK you have in mind is actually a grown up DK Jr. The character Donkey Kong has devloped so good over the years, that you can't count the games he was in without Mario as "spin off" games... Since he devloped a whole new franchise with Donkey Kong Country, where -with the exception of Jungle Beat- all DK games are based of. Mario vs DK is a Mario game, since Mario is the main character.

Funny though how DKC is hated so much only because it rivals Super Mario World while it's NOTHING alike. People complain about how Donkey Kong should never spin off from the Arcade.... While actually, it's Mario himself being the more spinoff character from the DK Arcade game, since classic items as barrels are still important in the DK franchise.

But enough about that...

I want Old Peach. The moveset fits Peach very well, and however it needs some serious nerfing all around I hope that Peach won't change too much. Keep her vegetables, but power down some of her ariels, fix the Downsmash a little (like not being able to still CC in it) and make her somewhat lighter, but KEEP her recovery. Sure they could use Super Princess Peach refrences such as changing the Parasol and using her angry mood for her Super Move... But that's all. And besides I don't think Super Princess Peach would be enough to fill a whole moveset with...

 

[marthsword]

replace peache's f smash, and b, her djc annoys me, but most people wouldn't say that. Maybe a slightly better WD, it is the worst in the game.

 

[Tiamat]

That's not completely true.

Where did DK first appear? He appeared as DK in Donkey Kong, fighting Mario.
Where does he always show up now? He appears in every Mario game I can think of, as a character (not a picture on a wall or anything) except the "proper" Mario games, he's even gone back to his rivalry days with Mario vs Donkey Kong.

Now, Wario. I can't recall his original game, but I'm pretty certain it was a Mario game. Mario vs. Wario, I think...

Yoshi, which you haven't mentioned, but others have, is definitely Mario. He's had a few spin-offs as the main character, but all of them included the Mario Universe:
Yoshi's Island = Rescue Baby Mario and Luigi
Yoshi's Story = Not sure
Yoshi's Touch And Go = Rescue Baby Mario
Yoshi's Island DS = Rescue lots of Mario characters

I said THEIR SERIES. Mario Land 2 isn't Wario's SERIES. Wario Ware and Donkey Kong Country (as well as latter Donkey Kong specific games such as Jungle Beat) have absolutely NOTHING to do with Mario.

Wario Land was sliiightly connected to Mario at first but then separated and latter Wario Land games don't have anything Mario related at all in them (Not that that matters since Wario Land series seems over in general and now it's Wario Ware series)

 

[HiddenTiger]

How does everybody on this site not know how to stay on topic? >.< This thread, in case you've forgotton is called "New Peach or Old Peach?" It is not the "Are Wario and Donkey Kong considered Mario characters or not?" thread. Go find/make that one if you really need to argue this. Talk about Peach here.

So, anyway, as I said before, make Toad a Luigified version of Melee Peach, and give Peach a moveset from Super PMS Peach.

 

[Stryks]

Well im pretyt sure pach will return, sayin that they should replace her toad move, since toad may be in brawl, it would look weird, also, I believe they should give her new moves, but let her keep some melee ones, give her some Super princess peach attacks, and u'll have a, IMO, more original peach...

 

[HiddenTiger]

Here's my idea for a new moveset for Peach:

All A-button attacks: Same as from Melee.

B: Calm Similar in effect to Zelda's Nayru's love, but cannot stop projectiles, and restores 1-2% health.

B Smash: Gloom Peach starts crying uncontrollably, shooting streams of tears forward. Similar in effect to Blastoise from a pokeball, but the stream is continuous, and dies off like Bowser's fire breath.

B Up: Joy Peach spins upward in a whirlwind of tiny hearts and musical notes, which do minor damage if they make contact.

B down: Rage Peach gets extremely mad and catches on fire. She'll be surrounded by a column of fire that goes about 1/2 of Peach's height over her head. Peach can move left and right like this, but jumping cancels the attack.

No idea what her super will be. So, comments?