Completed New Global Melee Netplay Settings

[Y-L]

So I'm working on recreating the global melee netplay setting in Dolphin to improve it. I need some thoughts as to whether or not to add or remove anything. So please, post away! It seems there's a 256 line limit before things start breaking/not working.

here's the code list: http://pastebin.com/38CFazXq

Netplay Community Settings (1.02)

0445BF28 FFFFFFFF
0445BF2C FFFFFFFF
0415d94c 4e800020
041a45a0 3c000202
041a45a4 901e0000
C21BFA20 00000003
3DE08017 61EF2898
7DE903A6 4E800421
38600002 00000000
0424cec4 48000058
04162ee8 60000000
0245C390 00000125
0245C395 01266363
041644E8 38600001
041648F4 38600001
04164F34 38600001
043D4A48 00340102
043D4A4C 04000A00
043D4A50 08010100
043D4A60 FF000000
043D4A70 00000000
043D4A78 E70000B0
0415d984 4e800020
0425b8bc 38600002
04261B1C 60000000
04261B30 60000000
041A55EC 4E800020
C208D600 00000009
8A830678 3DC08000
61CE45D4 1EB40008
7DCEAA14 81EE0000
39EF0001 91EE0000
3A0EFFFC 82300000
7E717BD6 3E408045
62523DA4 1EB40E90
7E52AA14 92720000
3880FFFF 00000000
C208D6A4 00000009
8A830678 3DC08000
61CE45D4 1EB40008
7DCEAA14 81EE0000
3A0EFFFC 82300000
3A310064 92300000
7E717BD6 3E408045
62523DA4 1EB40E90
7E52AA14 92720000
EC010024 00000000
04040BBC 60000000
20C61DB8 16200D20
06C61DB8 00000014
1620151A 200C2024
20312026 2028202F
1A210300 00000000
020045D0 000F0000
E2000001 00000000
C225A3BC 00000025
39E00001 3E008046
6210B0FC 1E2F000C
7E31802E 5630014B
4182000C 3A200001
48000020 56300109
4182000C 3A200002
48000010 563002D7
418200DC 3A200003
3EA0803F 62B506D0
3EC0804D 62D66CAE
3A800000 3A600000
3A400000 2C110001
40820014 8A560000
2C12001C 418100A8
48000050 2C110003
40820010 3A80003F
3A600002 4800003C
1E12001C 7E10AA14
8AF0000A 3E008045
6210C388 82100000
7E10BC30 561007FF
41820010 3A600002
3A80003F 4800000C
3A600000 3A800000
1E12001C 7E10A82E
2C120016 41800008
82100010 82100018
82100004 82100008
8210001C 82100008
9A900000 1E12001C
3A100008 7E70A9AE
3A00001E 9A160000
2C110001 41820010
3A520001 2C12001D
41A0FF4C 39EF0001
2C0F0005 41A0FEE8
C022C9E8 00000000
C216E2DC 00000017
3C608000 60633300
3C80804D 88846CAE
38C00000 7CA6182E
7C052000 41820014
2C05FFFF 4182000C
38C6000C 4BFFFFE8
38C60004 3CE08048
88E707C8 2C070000
41820008 38C60004
7CA6182E 90A3FFFC
4182005C 39000000
3C80803F 60840E06
80E40000 39080001
2C080004 40800040
1D280024 7CC9202E
7C063800 4082FFE8
3863FFFC 7D064378
38C6FFFF 2C060000
4081001C 7C8618AE
7CA818AE 7CA619AE
7C8819AE 3908FFFF
4BFFFFE0 881F0007
60000000 00000000
C216E48C 00000004
3CA08000 60A532FC
8085FFFC 7C6428AE
38840001 9085FFFC
60000000 00000000
C216DF54 00000004
3CA08000 60A532FC
8085FFFC 7C6428AE
38840001 9085FFFC
60000000 00000000
C216DF30 00000003
3C808000 608432F8
38A00000 90A40000
3B9A0000 00000000
C216E468 00000003
3C808000 608432F8
38A00000 90A40000
3F600004 00000000
06003300 00000060
00000019 00010203
00020103 00000008
00010203 02000301
00000006 00010302
03000201 0000001a
01030002 00010203
00000018 02030001
00020103 00000012
03020001 03000201
0000001c 00030102
00010302 ffffffff
00010203 00010203
0416B480 60000000
C21A4160 00000008
39C00000 3DE08046
61EFB108 820F0000
5611018D 41820010
561101CF 41820008
38000002 39CE0001
2C0E0004 4080000C
39EF000C 4BFFFFD8
981F0003 00000000
04452F54 42000000
04452F58 42000000
04452F5C 42000000
04452F60 40200000
04452F64 47000000
C202CB34 0000000C
7C040774 3E00804C
62101FD4 1DE00044
7E107A14 C022C3D8
FE200850 C1F00000
FC0F0840 4081000C
FC0F8840 41800010
C21F0314 FE0F802A
D21F0314 C1F00004
FC0F0840 4081000C
FC0F8840 41800010
C21F0318 FE0F802A
D21F0318 00000000
0406AE90 38000000
040300A4 38000000
0422D638 38000006
043FA25B 01000000
C23039A4 00000016
39400000 39000000
38E00008 3C80804C
608420BC 1CAA0044
7D242A14 80690008
70631F10 7D081B78
80690000 70600020
41820008 38E00000
5460C8C6 5060D884
5060F002 7D080378
54606006 7D080378
54604007 4182000C
38E00000 7D080378
394A0001 2C0A0004
4180FFA4 7500F000
41820028 886DB7AC
2C030000 41820014
3863FFFF 986DB7AC
5508013E 48000014
98EDB7AC 4800000C
38600000 986DB7AC
7D034378 4E800020
60000000 00000000
041b0a14 38600002

Boot to CSS and Unlock Everything (1.02) [Achilles, InternetExplorer]
Default Tournament Settings (1.02) [Magus, et all]
Disable Trophy Messages (1.02) [Achilles]
Hold L+R+A+Start During Stage Load to Return to the CSS (1.02) [Jorgasms]
Disable Name Tag Reset After Closing Character Port
Disable Name Tag Reset After Exiting Character Select Screen
L Cancel % in Results Screen [Wooggle]
Normal C-Stick Functionality in 1Player Modes (1.02) [Zauron]
Stage Striking (1.02) [Sham Rock] (might remove this one to save lines)
Hold A+B for Salty Runback (v1.02) [InternetExplorer]
Unrestricted Pause Camera [Link Master]
X/Y-Axis Pause Camera Translation with C-Stick (1.02) [Achilles]
Normal C-Stick Functionality in Develop Mode (1.02) [Magus, Achilles]
Debug Menu Replaces Tournament Mode (1.02) [Magus, donny2112]
Debug Menu Default Language
All Players Can Control the Debug Menu (1.02) [wParam]
Leaving Debug Menu Loads CSS (1.02) [Achilles]
20XX Neutral Spawns V2 [Dan Salvato] (This uses the normal spawn points to avoid the controversy of neutral spawn)

 

[bb010g]

Just the code titles, for your convenience: snip (deprecated by OP edit, thanks!)

 

[Myougi]

So I'm working on recreating the global melee netplay setting in Dolphin to improve it. I need some thoughts as to whether or not to add or remove anything. So please, post away!

here's the code list: http://pastebin.com/38CFazXq

Neutral start is the main one I want to discuss.

edit: added L cancel percentage

Don't force people to use neutral start unless they want too. This can provoke bad habits trying to go for spawns that aren't actually in vMelee. SleepyK got annoyed when we added it to the Community Build, but we made it toggleable in the debug menu so everything was fine. Spawns might not sound like much, but it's a global change for stages and can mess some people up. It's not good to practice with.

 

[Y-L]

Made some changes. Removed neutral start as a default. I can't really think of anything else that should be in the custom debug menu.

 

[bb010g]

+1 for keeping stage striking. It's really nice for friendlies.

 

[SinsOfApathy]

Normal C-Stick Functionality in Develop Mode (1.02) [Magus, Achilles]
Unrestricted Pause Camera [Link Master]
L Cancel % in Results Screen [Wooggle]
20XX Neutral Spawn for Singles and Doubles (1.02) [Achilles, Jorgasms]
Flash on L cancel

These seem like the kind of settings that should stay separate in the INI from Global Melee Neplay, and if players want to practice or use a non-vanilla change, besides obvious QoL, then they should negotiate that before the match since having different cheats active will desync netplay otherwise.

The only reason I'd even argue allowing the debug menu in, is because of the ability to do endless matches and the like, but even then, that seems like part of this practice optional stuff.

Melee Netplay is used for matches, not providing a practice tool. (Especially since buffer is going to **** your timings if you actually use it to practice anything besides matches against a real player.)

 

[Y-L]

Normal C-Stick Functionality in Develop Mode (1.02) [Magus, Achilles]
Unrestricted Pause Camera [Link Master]
L Cancel % in Results Screen [Wooggle]
20XX Neutral Spawn for Singles and Doubles (1.02) [Achilles, Jorgasms]
Flash on L cancel

These seem like the kind of settings that should stay separate in the INI from Global Melee Neplay, and if players want to practice or use a non-vanilla change, besides obvious QoL, then they should negotiate that before the match since having different cheats active will desync netplay otherwise.

The only reason I'd even argue allowing the debug menu in, is because of the ability to do endless matches and the like, but even then, that seems like part of this practice optional stuff.

Melee Netplay is used for matches, not providing a practice tool. (Especially since buffer is going to **** your timings if you actually use it to practice anything besides matches against a real player.)

The reason debug stuff is in there is because it's already in the current global melee netplay setting and some people like to test stuff with a friend in debug mode. I mean, you aren't losing anything by having it except tournament mode which is obsolete. I don't see what the harm is in having it in. As long as it is separate from tournament play which it is.

 

[SinsOfApathy]

The reason debug stuff is in there is because it's already in the current global melee netplay setting and some people like to test stuff with a friend in debug mode. I mean, you aren't losing anything by having it except tournament mode which is obsolete. I don't see what the harm is in having it in. As long as it is separate from tournament play which it is.

I just see it as, if they want to do that with friends, they can choose to enable the cheat, since they had to go through the effort of enabling Global Melee Netplay, get what I mean?

I just think it's an unnecessary edition to an existing set of codes. If people want to play with that, I don't think they need the debug menu to do it, since it's not a console thing where enabling those codes is tedious. I move to add any missing codes to the main list, as opposed to under Melee Netplay.

 

[bb010g]

I can't see any problems with Unrestricted Pause Camera and L-Cancel %. Both are not going to change gameplay. The pause camera is nice when you're messing around, and the L-cancel percentage can be useful for when you're trying to work on consistency. I can't see the C-Stick in Develop being used much, and the Spawn should go into some sort of debug menu if included. Again, it wouldn't hurt for friendlies, but it's not necessary and it'll probably come down to how large we want the code to be.

 

[Lex__]

I see no reason why you would ever use torunament mode in netplay, and debug mode has had its uses in its past for netplay testing with other people. Honestly, If it doesn't affect the gameplay I am fine with it, I really would love to have stage striking, its worth the space specially for people not using anthers ladder.

 

[Dan Salvato]

Don't force people to use neutral start unless they want too. This can provoke bad habits trying to go for spawns that aren't actually in vMelee. SleepyK got annoyed when we added it to the Community Build, but we made it toggleable in the debug menu so everything was fine. Spawns might not sound like much, but it's a global change for stages and can mess some people up. It's not good to practice with.

The solution is not to edit the spawn locations themselves, but to properly select the appropriate vanilla spawn points regardless of port number. In other words, the game starts as if the players took the time to plug into the given stage's "neutral start" configuration. This is what I did for 20XXTE, and I can provide the code.

 

[Y-L]

The solution is not to edit the spawn locations themselves, but to properly select the appropriate vanilla spawn points regardless of port number. In other words, the game starts as if the players took the time to plug into the given stage's "neutral start" configuration. This is what I did for 20XXTE, and I can provide the code.

I think this would be ideal.

 

[Y-L]

The solution is not to edit the spawn locations themselves, but to properly select the appropriate vanilla spawn points regardless of port number. In other words, the game starts as if the players took the time to plug into the given stage's "neutral start" configuration. This is what I did for 20XXTE, and I can provide the code.

Can I get that code?

 

[Dan Salvato]

Can I get that code?

I gave it to @ Myougi the other day.

 

[Myougi]

Can I get that code?

I gave it to @ Myougi the other day.

Neutral Spawns v2 [Dan Salvato]:
C216E2DC 00000017
3C608000 60633300
3C80804D 88846CAE
38C00000 7CA6182E
7C052000 41820014
2C05FFFF 4182000C
38C6000C 4BFFFFE8
38C60004 3CE08048
88E707C8 2C070000
41820008 38C60004
7CA6182E 90A3FFFC
4182005C 39000000
3C80803F 60840E06
80E40000 39080001
2C080004 40800040
1D280024 7CC9202E
7C063800 4082FFE8
3863FFFC 7D064378
38C6FFFF 2C060000
4081001C 7C8618AE
7CA818AE 7CA619AE
7C8819AE 3908FFFF
4BFFFFE0 881F0007
60000000 00000000
C216E48C 00000004
3CA08000 60A532FC
8085FFFC 7C6428AE
38840001 9085FFFC
60000000 00000000
C216DF54 00000004
3CA08000 60A532FC
8085FFFC 7C6428AE
38840001 9085FFFC
60000000 00000000
C216DF30 00000003
3C808000 608432F8
38A00000 90A40000
3B9A0000 00000000
C216E468 00000003
3C808000 608432F8
38A00000 90A40000
3F600004 00000000

You also need to put this data at 80003300:
00 00 00 19 00 01 02 03 00 02 01 03 00 00 00 08 00 01 02 03 02 00 03 01 00 00 00 06 00 01 03 02 03 00 02 01 00 00 00 1a 01 03 00 02 00 01 02 03 00 00 00 18 02 03 00 01 00 02 01 03 00 00 00 12 03 02 00 01 03 00 02 01 00 00 00 1c 00 03 01 02 00 01 03 02 ff ff ff ff 00 01 02 03 00 01 02 03

Write an 06 code or something that puts that data there. 
I haven't written one yet since I'm super lazy :c

 

[Y-L]

You also need to put this data at 80003300:
00 00 00 19 00 01 02 03 00 02 01 03 00 00 00 08 00 01 02 03 02 00 03 01 00 00 00 06 00 01 03 02 03 00 02 01 00 00 00 1a 01 03 00 02 00 01 02 03 00 00 00 18 02 03 00 01 00 02 01 03 00 00 00 12 03 02 00 01 03 00 02 01 00 00 00 1c 00 03 01 02 00 01 03 02 ff ff ff ff 00 01 02 03 00 01 02 03

Write an 06 code or something that puts that data there. 
I haven't written one yet since I'm super lazy :c

What about this part?

 

[Dan Salvato]

06003300 00000060
00000019 00010203
00020103 00000008
00010203 02000301
00000006 00010302
03000201 0000001a
01030002 00010203
00000018 02030001
00020103 00000012
03020001 03000201
0000001c 00030102
00010302 ffffffff
00010203 00010203

 

[Y-L]

06003300 00000060
00000019 00010203
00020103 00000008
00010203 02000301
00000006 00010302
03000201 0000001a
01030002 00010203
00000018 02030001
00020103 00000012
03020001 03000201
0000001c 00030102
00010302 ffffffff
00010203 00010203

Assuming this goes on the end of the code?


I think this entire netplay code is at a point to be made final now.

 

[Dan Salvato]

Assuming this goes on the end of the code?

Yes.

Also, I think a lot of those codes can be cut from the list. Stage striking, 1P C-stick, debug menu functionality, and L-cancel %, and possibly others. IMO, the point of the netplay codeset is to facilitate the convenience of jumping in and out of games with no setup required and potential interruptions removed. A lot of these inclusions seem like arbitrary "because we can" inclusions that the majority of the netplay community (i.e. Anther's Ladder) have no collective use for. That's just my perspective, but I take a very conservative approach to these things.

 

[CeLL]

Yes.

Also, I think a lot of those codes can be cut from the list. Stage striking, 1P C-stick, debug menu functionality, and L-cancel %, and possibly others. IMO, the point of the netplay codeset is to facilitate the convenience of jumping in and out of games with no setup required and potential interruptions removed. A lot of these inclusions seem like arbitrary "because we can" inclusions that the majority of the netplay community (i.e. Anther's Ladder) have no collective use for. That's just my perspective, but I take a very conservative approach to these things.

I think that this thread has gone waaay to fast and needs to slow down a bit. I'd like to propose an immediate fix to the glaring issues of the original code, with a better code coming later with more thought and player input.

Default Tournament Settings (1.02) [Magus, et all]
043D4A48 00340102
043D4A4C 04000A00
043D4A50 08010100
043D4A60 FF000000
043D4A70 00000000
043D4A74 3C000000
043D4A78 E70000B0

Boot to CSS [Dan Salvato]
041A45A0 3C000202
041A45A4 901E0000

Unlock All Characters and Stages (1.02) [Datel]
0445BF28 FFFFFFFF
0445BF2C FFFFFFFF

Debug Menu Replaces Tournament Mode (1.02) [Magus, donny2112]
0422D638 38000006

Normal C-Stick Functionality in 1Player Modes (1.02) [Zauron]
0416B480 60000000

Random Stage Select
0445C388 470000B0

True Special Message Delete
0445C20C 39400000
0245C390 00030000
0445C0D4 01010100
0045C110 00000001
0445C230 10000000
0045C114 00000027
0445C228 80000000
0045C22C 00001111

Disable Trophy Messages [Achilles]
0415d984 4e800020

Still an AR code. It has the following changes from the original:

• Settings are not locked in game
• Team attack is on by default
• Trophy messages are disabled

I'd also like to move the Netplay Safe Kill Music AR code to be second on the list, directly under the netplay code. A lot of people don't know it exists but would like to know.



On another note, I think we should consider the name for the final code. Global Melee Netplay Settings was named after the netplay group Global Melee. Perhaps it should be changed to something more generic, like "Netplay Settings" or something on the sort, since Global Melee is dead (afaik, and the biggest user is Smash Ladder regardless).

 

[Y-L]

Yes.

Also, I think a lot of those codes can be cut from the list. Stage striking, 1P C-stick, debug menu functionality, and L-cancel %, and possibly others. IMO, the point of the netplay codeset is to facilitate the convenience of jumping in and out of games with no setup required and potential interruptions removed. A lot of these inclusions seem like arbitrary "because we can" inclusions that the majority of the netplay community (i.e. Anther's Ladder) have no collective use for. That's just my perspective, but I take a very conservative approach to these things.

I can see the argument there. The reason a lot of the one player stuff is in is mostly because many people like to practice on Dolphin and dislike having to disable/enable codes to play by oneself or accidentally leaving them on and causing unnecessary desyncs. The debug menu is actually in the current global melee netplay settings.

I think that this thread has gone waaay to fast and needs to slow down a bit. I'd like to propose an immediate fix to the glaring issues of the original code, with a better code coming later with more thought and player input.

Default Tournament Settings (1.02) [Magus, et all]
043D4A48 00340102
043D4A4C 04000A00
043D4A50 08010100
043D4A60 FF000000
043D4A70 00000000
043D4A74 3C000000
043D4A78 E70000B0

Boot to CSS [Dan Salvato]
041A45A0 3C000202
041A45A4 901E0000

Unlock All Characters and Stages (1.02) [Datel]
0445BF28 FFFFFFFF
0445BF2C FFFFFFFF

Debug Menu Replaces Tournament Mode (1.02) [Magus, donny2112]
0422D638 38000006

Normal C-Stick Functionality in 1Player Modes (1.02) [Zauron]
0416B480 60000000

Random Stage Select
0445C388 470000B0

True Special Message Delete
0445C20C 39400000
0245C390 00030000
0445C0D4 01010100
0045C110 00000001
0445C230 10000000
0045C114 00000027
0445C228 80000000
0045C22C 00001111

Disable Trophy Messages [Achilles]
0415d984 4e800020

Still an AR code. It has the following changes from the original:

• Settings are not locked in game
• Team attack is on by default
• Trophy messages are disabled

I'd also like to move the Netplay Safe Kill Music AR code to be second on the list, directly under the netplay code. A lot of people don't know it exists but would like to know.



On another note, I think we should consider the name for the final code. Global Melee Netplay Settings was named after the netplay group Global Melee. Perhaps it should be changed to something more generic, like "Netplay Settings" or something on the sort, since Global Melee is dead (afaik, and the biggest user is Smash Ladder regardless).

Changing the name to simply Netplay settings might imply that you need them to play Netplay. The name and moving the other code is easy to do and will be done. Perhaps "Netplay Community Settings" would be best imo or maybe "Netplay Tournament Settings" but I'm leaning towards the former. I think we should put these codes that are in addition to the current codeset/fixes to a community poll and see what people think.

 

[Y-L]

So after surveying about 150 Netplayers, I got these results:
Name of Code
*52% Global Melee Netplay Settings
*22% Netplay Community Settings
*18% Netplay Settings
*5% Default Tournament Settings
*3% Netplay Tournament Settings

Stage Striking
*85% Yes
*15% No

Salty Runback
*65% Yes
*45% No

L Cancel %
*90% Yes
*10% No

Unrestricted Pause Camera
*70% Yes
*30% No

Neutral Spawn (20XXTE Variation)
*78% Yes
*22% No

1 Player stuff (c-stick in 1p mode, ect)
*84% Yes
*16% No

Vanilla Debug Menu
*79% Yes
*21% No

I think it's pretty safe to say that most of these new codes are welcomed and wanted by the community so I think we should leave it as is. As for the name, I think Global Melee Netplay Settings got so much support because they're used to it. I feel the second most picked (Netplay Community Settings) should still be considered as the name.

 

[bb010g]

+1 for Netplay Community Settings. It shows more that it's not required and separates it from Global Netplay.

 

[SleepyK]

jknojoker (on anthersladder) and i were playing friendlies and we encounter this really odd bug with the new dolphin build and new codes

https://youtu.be/vRk6QITLAK0

I powershielded an attack as ganondorf RIGHT at the ledge while being pushed off the stage by whispy and i was frozen in the guardon animation. I could not move until i was hit.

 

[ssha16]

Hi All,
Sorry for the noob question - I'm trying to set up netplay with my friends and trying to troubleshoot something and stumbled across this chain. Wondering if any of you would be able to help? We've all been using the latest rc version with global netplay melee settings, but we'd like to turn items ON. Based on what i've read, the global netplay settings defaults items to off - and when in game, even if we try to item switch to turn them on, it defaults to off, which I am presuming is the doing of the global netplay settings. My question is - is there any way to turn items ON?
Thanks!

 

[Y-L]

Hi All,
Sorry for the noob question - I'm trying to set up netplay with my friends and trying to troubleshoot something and stumbled across this chain. Wondering if any of you would be able to help? We've all been using the latest rc version with global netplay melee settings, but we'd like to turn items ON. Based on what i've read, the global netplay settings defaults items to off - and when in game, even if we try to item switch to turn them on, it defaults to off, which I am presuming is the doing of the global netplay settings. My question is - is there any way to turn items ON?
Thanks!

You could turn off the code and turn on individual unlock stuff since the global melee netplay settings will turn items off. Or remove the part of the code that turns items off

 

[ssha16]

You could turn off the code and turn on individual unlock stuff since the global melee netplay settings will turn items off. Or remove the part of the code that turns items off

worked - thanks for the quick reply!