Ness' edgegame

[Earthbound360]

What are your thought on Ness edgegame? During my past few matches with NONNP and Jodo, I have been toying with b-sticked PK Fires, edge cancelled PKT, and edge hopped fairs. I personally think his edge game is awesome!

If the opponent is a few feet back from the edge, jump off the edge, hold forward and B-stick PK fire. It makes Ness re-grab the edge.

If they are right next to the edge, a ledgehopped fair will usually hit them with its lovely range. You can DI on stage or back to the edge.

If they are right ON the edge, hopping all over you and trying to spike you, press back, and use PKT. Turn it into as tight of a circle as you can and hit the stage. This is PKT ledgestall. You'll probably hit the opponent too, and right when you snap out of PKT, Ness will grab the edge. Remember, do NOT aim for the opponent. They may be too far from the edge for PKT to cancel early enough and you will fall to your doom.

 

[NoNessNoProblem]

You see most people will catch onto it. Iono how many times u went for the spike and i killed you at some low percents. Everything else you said was true. Our games are almost perfected. I need to work on my evasion skills as well. My aggressive style of Offense is similiar to yours

 

[Earthbound360]

Most people will catch onto what? Edgeplay?
Well, then yeah, that's when you bail and get back into the fight. This is for getting people away from you to let you back onto the mainland.

 

[Earthbound360]

bump
I want some input

 

[Conda]

I don't think PKT ledgestalling is possible with lucas. I always bounce to my death as him. Haven't tried it as ness as steering his pkt to hit him horizontally isn't as easy as in melee. Ness's quickest circle hit him diagonally upwards.
Can you still PKT edgestall by hitting yourself diagonally?

 

[Earthbound360]

PKT ledgestall doesnt involve hitting Ness. It involves using PKT to hit poeple near the ledge off with the PKT, not PKT2. You steer PKT in a tight circle into the stage to get people on it off and out of your way.

 

[Conda]

In your post, you mention pressing back when on the ledge, and then hitting yourself with pkt2 to force yourself onto the ledge again. You say that this is the ledgestall.
Edit: ah, you're right. I read it wrong.

Well, you can still do the oldschool PKT2 ledgestall too.

 

[Earthbound360]

So... you get it now?

 

[Conda]

I'm doing the whole "press back to let go of the ledge, and PKT onto the stage" and Ness isn't able to grab onto the ledge in time after PKT is cancelled (he's just out of reach).
The only thing I'm able to do is hit the very edge of the stage with the bolt not visible.
Am I missing something? Or is this how it's done.

 

[Earthbound360]

You turnd tap jump off didnt you?
If you did, squeeze in a button press before you PKT and it should work.

 

[Conda]

Squeeze in a jump, you mean?

Yeah, I turned tap jump off.

 

[Earthbound360]

Yeah a button press I meant a jump button.
Try it with tap jump on with Lucas first. THen try it with Ness.
Then try turning tap jump off and trying it with Lucas. Then without tap jump, Ness.

I kept tap jump on before to usmash out of shield, but now I turned it off and this is still possible by pressing back, X/Y, then Up+B with proper directing of PKT.

It may be hard and risky at first, but now I use it a lot and I find it VERY helpful.

 

[Conda]

Ah, it works fine now. Because R as my jump button (Y is grab), it's very easy to do. Press back, Press R, and up B.

Now the pkt goes onto the stage, and ness can grab on to the lede afterwards.

 

[Tyr_03]

PKT1 edgestall works great too. You have to hit it against the ground almost immediately but when it cancels Ness will grab the edge immediately. It's really freaky looking cuz it looks like he teleports up to grab it but it works. And of course PKT1 has great stun so it's nice for taking away some pressure.

 

[Earthbound360]

Good to hear. Use it wiseley. You can PKT someone who is edgeguarding to get them off the edge (they wont Di since it is so surprising). Or you can just hit them with it and have the comfort of being on the edge.

 

[Ademisk]

You can PKT stall without hitting the ground. Simply press down and immediately PKT. Your thunder will be eaten, and you'll grab the ledge right away. And if the enemy is perfectly spaced, what you can do is press jump to do a ledgehop, and then immediately PKT. If you did it right, you'll immediately PKT tailwhip them and you can destroy them with an unavoidable PKT2. Incredibly hard to do, I've only pulled it off twice.

 

[Earthbound360]

Apparently you can PKT ledgestall two ways. One being more defensive and one being more offensive.

Offense: You jump before PKTing allowing the PKT to travel a distance and hit a foe. Being off the edge longer decreases defense.
Defense: Quickly drop and PKT without jumping.PKT goes no where but you are safer as you are under the ledge.

And Ademisk, that second one sounds awesome, Ive gotta try that sometime.

 

[Conda]

Yeah, I removed this from an earlier post in this thread to avoid confusion, but I mentioned jumping and then PKTing.
When you jump, you gotta move back a little so you're above the ledge and not above ground. This way, when PKT is done, you grab onto the ledge again.

Of course, make sure you dispiate your thunder before you fall too far past the ledge.

 

[NoNessNoProblem]

earthbound whenever you got time id like to show u my improved ness i incorporate pk flash alot and found a good waay to edgehog with it

 

[Earthbound360]

Okay, I should be on later tonight. I'll host, you join.

 

[Conda]

Where do you two live? I'd like to see your Ness'.
If you want to play, you can find me at allisbrawl.com's chat.

 

[Earthbound360]

Cant you just PM me your FC and add me?

 

[Conda]

I don't know my fc off by heart. Let me go get it.

Here it is: 4382 1746 3135

 

[Earthbound360]

K I'll add u. A lot of people hav been wanting to play me lately, so remind me if you have "Awaiting registration" by Wed.

If you wanna know where I live, you've gotta guess my main first.

 

[Conda]

Ness.

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10char

 

[Earthbound360]

WRONG!!!

*mumbles*

How do people keep guessing my main so easily!? I feel so inconspicuous but nothing works!

Maryland... cheater