Need lots of help. ;-; - Hail Stall

[momochuu]

Basically a standard Hail stall team. I mostly use this on Platinum wifi, so no Rotom forms for me. Bummer.

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Timid/Snow Warning
4 Def/252 SpAtk/252 Spe
Substitute
Leech Seed
Protect
Blizzard

Obvious staple for Hail teams.

Walrein @ Leftovers
Bold/Ice Body
220 HP/240 Def/48
Super Fang
Surf
Substitute
Protect

Basic Stallrein. Super Fang with this set/strategy is amazing.

Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Calm/Liquid Ooze
252 HP/120 Def/136 SpDef
Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin
Surf
Sludge Bomb

Sets up Toxic, giving Walrein an extra move slot.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Rash/Flash Fire
4 Atk/252 SpAtk/252 Spe
Fire Blast
Earth Power
Explosion
Dragon Pulse

Keeps Azelf/Scizor in check. Can sweep up an entire weakened team.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Impish/Pressure
252 HP/28 Atk/228 Def
Will-o-Wisp
Pain Split
Earthquake
Thunderpunch

Spin Blocker.

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Adamant/Snow Cloak
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Earthquake
Ice Shard
Stone Edge
Superpower

Keeps Salamence in check. Provides nice physical coverage to a team lacking it.


I also wanna use this:

Crobat @ Leftovers
Jolly/Inner Focus
104 HP/152 Atk/252 Spe
Super Fang
Brave Bird
U-Turn
Roost

But I seem to have no room for it...

Suggestions needed/very wanted.

 

[CRASHiC]

Personally, I'd like to see how Aqua ring instead of sub would do.

Toxic spikes aren't very good against a lot of the most OU pokemon.
Scizor is immune.
Heatran is immune.
Gyradose is immune.
Metagross is immune.
Others beyond that as well.
Though I understand the strategy behind this, I'm not sure how it would fare in OU.

Fitting in Crobat is hard. I'm not to sure what he would add to that team.

 

[momochuu]

Yeah, I also need more entry hazards, I think... maybe Nidoqueen in place of Mamoswine?

 

[CRASHiC]

That be an idea, though you'd loose stab, but Nidoqueen could run a double role by being your salamance counter and your hazard set up.
If you did do that, perhaps you could set up Crobat as an anti-lead, and then get rid of tentacruel.
Just a thought you might want to consider. I've never made a hail team before.

 

[momochuu]

Since when did Nidoqueen counter Salamence?

 

[r3d d09]

Now i know where you're posting KB >.>

I will have my friend post here sometime and help you. he plays competitively and knows his stuff.

 

[CRASHiC]

Can't she run some strong rock and ice attacks?
I don't run Nidoqueen either so I don't know how she'd do.

 

[Circa]

I've been out of the loop of competitive battling for a while, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

I'd keep Mamoswine. He's the only thing on your team apart from Walrein that takes any sort of advantage by the hail, and this is a hail team. He's also the only thing you have apart from Heatran that safely comes into sandstorm, which is very useful.

I do think it's odd, though, that you have Dusknoir for spin blocking but have only one entry hazard; and one that doesn't do anything to a good deal of common OU Pokemon to boot (as CRASHiC said). Dusknoir is a good Pokemon, but I feel as though his placement could be better used with other spin blockers; Rotom-A being the obvious one (although I know you can't use it on wifi and would use it if you could, so I'll name the others). Gengar and Froslass are possible replacers as well. Gengar is the one that I would personally take between those two, as he does Dusknoir's main job and also provides another sweeper; which I feel this team would probably benefit from greatly. Froslass is just a possibility because it's a hail abuser and can be gay as ****. Might work. Who knows? Think about it.

Just remember though, take my advice with a grain of salt. It's been a while.

Can't she run some strong rock and ice attacks?
I don't run Nidoqueen either so I don't know how she'd do.

She can run Ice Beam, but I'm not sure if she could kill Mence (I'm betting she could, but you never know) or live through some of Mence's attacks. Draco Meteor would probably wreck the crap out of it.

 

[momochuu]

Can't she run some strong rock and ice attacks?
I don't run Nidoqueen either so I don't know how she'd do.

I'm pretty sure he can OHKO her on switch ins with Earthquake and Outrage. I think she has Ice Punch but she'll be dead before she can hit him. She also has Sucker Punch in HG/SS, but won't OHKO at all.

I've been out of the loop of competitive battling for a while, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

I'd keep Mamoswine. He's the only thing on your team apart from Walrein that takes any sort of advantage by the hail, and this is a hail team. He's also the only thing you have apart from Heatran that safely comes into sandstorm, which is very useful.

I do think it's odd, though, that you have Dusknoir for spin blocking but have only one entry hazard; and one that doesn't do anything to a good deal of common OU Pokemon to boot (as CRASHiC said). Dusknoir is a good Pokemon, but I feel as though his placement could be better used with other spin blockers; Rotom-A being the obvious one (although I know you can't use it on wifi and would use it if you could, so I'll name the others). Gengar and Froslass are possible replacers as well. Gengar is the one that I would personally take between those two, as he does Dusknoir's main job and also provides another sweeper; which I feel this team would probably benefit from greatly. Froslass is just a possibility because it's a hail abuser and can be gay as ****. Might work. Who knows? Think about it.

Just remember though, take my advice with a grain of salt. It's been a while.

Thanks for the help. This is 6 Pokemon syndrome at it's finest. I think I may just restart from scratch. >_<

 

[r3d d09]

Gameshark it what i'd do is gameshark it. see if the setup would work. if it does. then do a legit team. as in not gameshark. ha

 

[WouW]

Or just use Shoddy.

Spoiler

also it's not gameshark it's combining action replay with PokéSAV

 

[momochuu]

I'd like to actually have this team. No Shoddy.

 

[peregrine monkey]

This may be just my hatred of Heatran, but I think you may want to replace him with something that can set up additional entry hazards. Like:

Gliscor@Leftovers
Jolly/Impish Nature
Sand Veil
252 Hp/40 Def/216 Spd
-Earthquake
-Roost
-Stealth Rock
-Taunt/U-Turn/Stone Edge/Aerial Ace

Jolly and Taunt if you want to break stall or Impish and U-Turn, Aerial Ace or Stone Edge if you want to tank. Also has an excellent synergy with Tentacruel.

Edit: Counters Tyranitar too.

 

[momochuu]

Azelf will then proceed to annihilate my team.

 

[peregrine monkey]

When was the last time you saw a non-lead Azelf? The leads generally carry SR/Fire move/Taunt or Psychic/Explosion, in which case you can stall it by switching around until Mamoswine can revenge kill it with Ice Shard. And countering T-Tar is more important for a Hail team.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Well, kawa...oops nya~! :3- peregrine monkey does have a point...ttar>hail teams, u do have mamoswine but he cant switch much on ttar to be an effective counter. I say give Gliscor a try and see if it works. Also, Rotom appliances>Dusknoir now that they have pain split and all.

EDIT: nvm, the rotom thing >_>, I didnt read it was for wifi.

 

[Wave⁂]

Rotom isn't a bad Pokemon, he's just under-used, you could try it out.

 

[Circa]

When was the last time you saw a non-lead Azelf? The leads generally carry SR/Fire move/Taunt or Psychic/Explosion, in which case you can stall it by switching around until Mamoswine can revenge kill it with Ice Shard. And countering T-Tar is more important for a Hail team.

This is where you would probably be wrong. The reason why she doesn't want to get rid of Heatran is for the sake of getting past just the lead. Think about it. Nothing else on the team really comes in safely to Azelf, thanks to it typically running fire blast and there being a high chance of psychic. Her entire team could be gone just from Lead Azelf if she doesn't have Heatran.

 

[momochuu]

Rotom isn't a bad Pokemon, he's just under-used, you could try it out.

Normal Rotom? Is it safe against Scizor and Azelf? =/

This is where you would probably be wrong. The reason why she doesn't want to get rid of Heatran is for the sake of getting past just the lead. Think about it. Nothing else on the team really comes in safely to Azelf, thanks to it typically running fire blast and there being a high chance of psychic. Her entire team could be gone just from Lead Azelf if she doesn't have Heatran.

Exactly.

 

[Thecloudmon]

Weavile game sweeping also, you might need a Hail Reset
Fake Out- Taunt
Ice Punch-Theif
Counter-Protect
Fling-hail
You get my idea just think it through cause Togekiss will cause a mess of your team while its a alive and trantiar end you startegy

 

[supermarth64]

Weavile game sweeping also, you might need a Hail Reset
Fake Out- Taunt
Ice Punch-Theif
Counter-Protect
Fling-hail
You get my idea just think it through cause Togekiss will cause a mess of your team while its a alive and trantiar end you startegy

8 move Weavile... yea... no.

 

[momochuu]

Weavile...? That thing is the last Pokemon I'm worried about.

 

[Wave⁂]

Garchomp sweeps your team.

Garchomp @ Yache Berry and Life Orb and Choice Band and Choice Scarf and Choice Specs and Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpAtk / 252 SpDef / 252 Speed
Adamant and Modest and Bold and Impish and Calm and Careful / Sand Veil
Dragon Claw
Outrage
Draco Meteor
Earthquake
Earth Power
Fire Blast
Stone Edge
Surf
Aqua Tail
Crunch
Ice Fang

Your opponent also has set up Stealth Rocks, 2 layers of Spikes, 3 layers of Toxic Spikes, and has Sandstorm up.

gg

 

[momochuu]

Rofl, yeah I just saw his other posts in the RR. This guy is dumb.