Need help Versing Sonic/Kirby/Metanight as ZSS?

[Harkness]

Ok my friend is annying the heck out of me with kirby, sonic, and metanight, all of which he is good at. i just lost to him in a wi-fi battle and i'm sick of it!!! Any hep/strategies/tips?

 

[oze6000]

have you checked here?
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=164587

 

[harpuia190]

WEEEEELLLLLL
vs metaknight is the million dollar question really,
vs kirby hmm uh try to notice some of his slower moves and then punish, and don't get spiked
vs sonic i think he is pretty easy to stun?

 

[Harkness]

WEEEEELLLLLL
vs metaknight is the million dollar question really,
vs kirby hmm uh try to notice some of his slower moves and then punish, and don't get spiked
vs sonic i think he is pretty easy to stun?

Answer #1 Huh??
Answer # 2 thanks
answer # 3 thanks?

 

[Bouse]

Answer #1 Huh??
Answer # 2 thanks
answer # 3 thanks?

Let me clarify
1. Metaknight is a pain in the *** for everyone. He's hard to mind-game and generally has high priority and solid range on most of his attacks.
2. Kirby is all about spacing with your Side+B and B. He has no projectiles and isn't magnificently fast. You can just annoy the crap out of him pretty much.
3. Sonic is a predictable character, your Down Smash is a relatively solid counter to MOST of his moves. However fighting him on the ground ends up leaving you with a slight disadvantage because of his intense movement speed.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Ob6veSfABk
To give you an idea.
However like Kirby, no projectiles, and learning to space properly with your Side+B and B attacks give you control of the match.

 

[Harkness]

thanks for the clarification Bouse!
However, with kirby, the major issue is that whenever i try to use a combo that knocks him into the air, he always uses his down b attack as i approach, even when i first attempted it. some help in this specific area?

 

[Dpete]

thanks for the clarification Bouse!
However, with kirby, the major issue is that whenever i try to use a combo that knocks him into the air, he always uses his down b attack as i approach, even when i first attempted it. some help in this specific area?

Airdodge, then punish when he comes out of Stone.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

Kirby does have a projectile, the final cutter, plus the neutral B stun if he wants it.

 

[fkacyan]

My first suggestion is to stop playing the absolute crap that is Brawl online. We'll work from there.

 

[DarkShadowRage]

I really really really hate meat knight...his nearly lagless attacks are a pain in the ***.

 

[fkacyan]

I really really really hate meat knight...his nearly lagless attacks are a pain in the ***.

Straight up? Just run away. If you're playing him on Final D, you're likely not going to win. Platforms to shield you from his upB are always handy.

 

[DarkShadowRage]

Straight up? Just run away. If you're playing him on Final D, you're likely not going to win. Platforms to shield you from his upB are always handy.

Oh, I can beat him..it's just a chore to do so..and a pain in the ***.
But the win is worth it.

 

[Bouse]

Kirby does have a projectile, the final cutter, plus the neutral B stun if he wants it.

Final cutter is easy to read and dodge, your whip out ranges his neutral b. 'Nuff said.

 

[Bouse]

thanks for the clarification Bouse!
However, with kirby, the major issue is that whenever i try to use a combo that knocks him into the air, he always uses his down b attack as i approach, even when i first attempted it. some help in this specific area?

Get out of the way. Try using your Up+B while on the ground to spike him before he can get the move off, and get him into a D-smash combo if you get the opportunity.

 

[ashes]

Kirby really should not be giving you trouble. Most good kirbys rarely use their down b box move as an actual attack because it is easily avoided by shielding, and then punished when they come out of the box.
Just watch carefully, and then shield accordingly. You should have to worry more about kirbys mallet hammer smash, cause that attack sends ZSS flying at lowish percents (especially with bad DI' ing).
hope that helped.

 

[Harkness]

hmm... Thanks, and there's one other problem i just remembered. as much as it is not suggested to use down-b my friend counters my combos by using down-b as i approach, as previously stated. even though i air dodge he quickly changes back before he touches the ground and is ready when i fall to the ground, helpless. any tips for this problem?

 

[smaci92]

Ok...my brother plays as Meta knight, so I practically have to play against that annoying character every day...but the good thing is, I have a few hopefully useful points now- especially since my brother is good with metaknight unlike some spammers out there...

So, try to predict when metaknight is going to use his mach tornado. You have 2 options if metaknight uses it when you expect it: 1. jump, and dair right over the top of the tornado...that will completely eliminate it. 2. stay where you are, and if he approaches you with the tornado, you can grab him out of it and do a down grab...work from there.

The next thing is, the Shuttle loop (mk's up b). This is one of his best KO moves. When he does a loop, and he comes around and is ready to strike the deathly blow with his sword, you have two options after he loops around: 1. He'll most likely glide his metaknight towards you so he can push "A" and kill you, and when he's coming towards you, roll backwards, and then grab. This will grab him before he can get close enough to kill you. 2. When he glides towards you after the loop, you can down b spike him.

So anyways, these are the two main things that alot of metaknights use, so be careful and follow my tips...I hope I helped, and let me know if you have questions...

For Kirby, I have no idea...I barely ever play Kirby's.
For Sonic, make sure you jump and stay in the air alot cause sonic has a good and fast ground game.

I you want a counterpick for metaknight, then don't use ZSS. I you are going to use ZSS against metaknight like I do, you have to think about what he's going to do next, and what your options are. A good counter against metaknight, is falco are snake...

 

[smaci92]

hmm... Thanks, and there's one other problem i just remembered. as much as it is not suggested to use down-b my friend counters my combos by using down-b as i approach, as previously stated. even though i air dodge he quickly changes back before he touches the ground and is ready when i fall to the ground, helpless. any tips for this problem?

then you can DI (direct influence: if you don't get what this is, go to smashwiki) away from him...