Need help against Marth! (vid inside)

[cyberdemon]

My friend's marth beats my falco 90% of the time.

Please let me know what I need to improve, since marth has always been my worst matchup.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y-geBeSst1k

 

[Cinder]

I'm in the middle of doing homework, so I can't take the time to look at the vids, but a tip that works for just about anyone: SHL...it always helps...if you need more tips, check out the matchup guides...I'll look at the vids later, so maybe I can give you some better advice...

 

[mikechi]

more mind games.. you were being wayyy too predictable and also if they are shielding in front of you take advantage of that and grab them

 

[Cinder]

Aight, took a look at the vid...I'm gonna have to agree with Mikechi...and let me add one more thing: you seem to do a lot of high jumps, when they aren't really needed...that makes it easier on him...watch that...

 

[ThreeX]

Bleeh, idk much to say. . i kinda understand though, i feel the same way, the people i talk to always say that i should **** a marth, but most of the time i just can't beat em, a friend that I usually fight, that just recently dropped his fox and picked up marth (oh wow, soopa skills for him) always gets annoyed when i SHL camp, so.. like cinder said, that's something to do.. hah

 

[calmchaos]

Im not the greatest player but here's what I think
You def need to laser more.
I think your biggest problem is that you're just moving too slow just keep WDing and SHLing. Whenever I play a marth Im always running and lasering and WDing all over the place.
But you lost 2 stocks because you double jumped in his face. When you get tipped and you have no jumps left you're pretty screwed. I'm guilty of that myself. I just want the hit too bad and I take that 2nd jump in and get ended.

 

[Doomblaze]

when you were doing the shine-dair-shine etc combo, try up tilting sooner, the hitbox of falcos up tilt is bigger than it looks (from my experiences, not AR)

 

[cyberdemon]

The problem when I SHL, is that he jumps over the lasers most of the time.

Anyways, thanks for the feedback guys. Any other tips?

 

[Cinder]

^If he jumps over 'em, make 'em higher...that usually works on CF, and I don't think it would be too different from character to character, so it should work on Marth, too...

 

[captainlukey]

^If he jumps over 'em, make 'em higher...that usually works on CF, and I don't think it would be too different from character to character, so it should work on Marth, too...

im not sure but i think he means full jumps over them...
try full hop triples, DJ triples, and any other laser tricks if this is the case i guess

 

[Blackshark]

More.
Short.
Hops.

You jump way to high, and he has all day to set himself up...If you didn't high jump as much, he'd be beaten easily.

Also, you got kinda unlucky, you missed a ledge in that match.

 

[cyberdemon]

So basically, I need more SHL and less full jump dairs, is that right? Am I missing something else?


On another note. . . How would you guys rate that Marth? Do you think he's a decent player, above average, etc.

 

[Cinder]

^Meh, he's not bad...a little above average...

 

[captainlukey]

well seen as though the only marth i ever played strategy goes somfing like this "fsmash, fsmash,fsmash, counter, repeat", id say hes a thousand times better than that....
burt no pro im afraid...
you just gotta get your skills up a little..

 

[cyberdemon]

bump.

Anybody else got any tips?

 

[Doomblaze]

sheild grab if hes pressuring you. You rarely grabbed at all.
Maybe wavedash out of your shield into w/e combo if you sheild a rly close range Fsmash
jump lower is the main thing though imo.