My Theory on Assist Trophies and the Subspace Story and Much More

[Captain_ObviousV]

*Original topic can be found on*-http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=39348016

This is a list of theories I had with GameFaqs members on Super Smash Bros. Brawl's Assist Thopries and my views on how the storyline wil flesh out.



As I was walking home from school, I was thinking about Brawl. On my mind about Brawl, I was thinkiing about assist charcters like Lyn and Little Mac. (I'm still upset Mac ain't playable). I was wondering if before the actual events of SSE, did character like Lyn and Little Mac tried to fight the Anciet Minister and his minons. I wonder if Lyn and Little Mac where killed by him and turned into trophies.

So, do you think most of the assit trophies in Brawl where characters to tried to fight the Subspace Army, but failed and got turned into thophies?

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I forgot this on my first post (because I'm using an government public computer with a strict time limit) but I thought of this because in a trailer I seen, Zelda was turned into stone/a trophy. Peach and Kirby tried to save her, but it was too late.

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The trailer-http://youtube.com/watch?v=uF2f-gp8H54 (watch between 02:25-03:00 where Zelda is turned into a trophy by Wario)


Well, back on the topic- Could it be that all of the assit trophies are minons for the Ancient Minister with no will for their thoughts and action and yet, when you character touch the thropy, the character comes back to his or her senses and fights for you for a limited ammount of time? What happens to that charcter afterwards, does he or she dies? Do he/she returns back to life?

I really want to see the assit trophies/characters incorperated in the game story. Their gotta be more than just them being in the game just for show

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Another reason why I had this thought (and this might be stupid) is that Lyn is a Fire Emblem character. Usually when Fire Emblem character dies in their respected game, they never come back to life (In some cases like in Fire Emblem 1 and 4 with the Ohm Stave, V. Staff, and story-line characters return to life) Lyn dies, that's it for her, she can never come back to life.

Lyn dies in Brawl fighting for Earth, she dies for good and get turn into stone (Dammit!) I mean a trophy.

Mac's an average human despite his boxing talents. He can't match agaisnt the powers of the Anicent Minister and his army. He's dies as well and get turn into a mindless trophy.

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Another crazy theory from crazy Captain Obvious: (I'm moving away from assist characters from the basic storyline)

Let's go back to the "This World" update from July 2007.

In this world, trophies fight.

They know nothing but fighting. Fighting is the sole reason for their existence.

Being turned back into a trophy, being unable to fight, is much like death.

Alright, the obvious, trophies fight in the game. We all know that from Melee that the trophies all fight each other. All of their lives, these characters fight to live, live to fight. Nothing more, nothing less. Once they lose, once they turn back to a trophy no longer to fight, their dead. They're useless to anybody.

They obvious fight to stay alive. They don't want to die.


Those are the rules of this world.


But...

When someone...or something...breaks those rules, the world will pay a terrible price...


Yes, they know these are the rules, but what if the feel that the rules control their lives, dictates how they live? They are sick and tired of these rules. They are tired of just being senseless beings, senseless objects for one pleasure and greed. Mario in a sense, want him and Kirby free from these rules, and to me, that why he brought Kirby back to life.

So when Mario brought Kirby back to life, he disobey those rules. He didn't care, he didn't want to be a mindless puppet for the A. Minister anymore. He didn't want fight for no reason. He didn't want Kirby nor anyone else fight.

Than we see Metaknight's airship fly above the arena and such. Blah blah blah we know the story.

Than what I can figure is that the Ancient Minister gained word that all the trophies he once control is rebeling against him, he don't like it, so he decides not only to take it out on the trophies, but the world itself.

The Adventure mode also emphasizes character development. You’ll see many famous characters persevering under the weight of their personal histories, shouldering their unique burdens... It’s really something you won’t see anywhere else.
-Taken from the Aug. 2007 update on the SSE

What I think we will see here is that each character is going to end up cracking under the preasure here and there sometime. Even though he/she wants to do his/her own personal thing, they must tell themselves that they can


Also, you got to think aboutt this-

This is a new, never-before-seen form of aggression...but now is no time to stop and stare. Everyone, everywhere, is beginning to move against it.

-From the Aug. 21st update "The Subspace Army"


Everbody is moving against it. Everbody around the world are planning to fight against the SubSpace Army. But do this also include the villians such as Bowser and Metaknight? Will they move against it, or will the destruction of the world invite them to help the SupSpace Army?

This is a new form of agression if you seen the video. Many Nintedno villians usually attack their targets, not innocent bystanders. (However, in Fire Emblem, the villians usually kills not only their enemies, but also the innocent. This happens a lot in Fire Emblem 4[Sigurd's Fire Emblem] Saae thing can be said about Pokemon when Team Rocket killed Cubone's mother. )



When the Minister commanded the SubSpace Army to destory the arena, not only did he tried to kill Peach and Kirby, he also killed all of the innocnet victims as well. Proving this is a new aggression in Nintendo games. Not many villians in Nintendo mindlessly attack the innocent or cause them harm.

Their objective is to cut apart the world and carry it into Subspace. They use what are called Subspace bombs to do so. When a Subspace bomb explodes, a section of the world gets excised and swallowed by Subspace.

This leaves us to wonder what happen to the the land that were destory by the SubSpace Army . . . do the land that was destory by the SSA is now a part of SupSpace? Does the world becomes a part of another world? Is that part of the world is left in void?

 

[Masterem243]

That's the idea. When a place has been hit with a subspace bomb, it becomes subspace. I do like your idea of making the Assist Trophies NPC allies. And that could very well be the role of Assist trophies in the Subspace Emmisary!

 

[Dubyah8r]

Wow..... way too much thought into this... good thoughts...just waaaaaay too much.....

 

[Masterem243]

Wow..... way too much thought into this... good thoughts...just waaaaaay too much.....

Dubyah8r, what are you gonna do in a year and 2 months, when nobody cares about Bush anymore? Your gonna have to change your name to something else.

 

[Captain_ObviousV]

More thougts from the GanmFaqs boards!

"Only I have the brains to rule Lylat!"

Their objective is to cut apart the world and carry it into Subspace. They use what are called Subspace bombs to do so. When a Subspace bomb explodes, a section of the world gets excised and swallowed by Subspace.

DodgyTBone: Makes a lot of sense apart from Andross. Psychotic maniac fighting against the forces of evil?

Maybe they tried to take Lylat, and he got angry?

maybe they wanted to take over vemon (or ROB bomb it) and andross fights them

Well, some villians may have selfish reasons to fight the SupSpace Army. They don't care about the fate of other people, they don't care the suffering, most vllians I believe will fight only for themselves. They might put themselves first instead of others. I also figure if a villian and a hero teams up, the villian and hero might have some in-fighting or break up, making their progess slow and more of a burden.

great point, TC, but...

>_> Just how the hell did the Advance wars team fail? War is their life, so how could they lose?

I never play Advance Wars so my theories on them might be a bit bad. However, even the most seasoned soliders will face defeat one day. Yes, they have seen war, they fight in wars, however, war will always have a victor, good or evil.

The Minister knows that the Advanced Wars soliders are seansoned warriors. If the Minister wants a group of powerful soliders in his army. If any soliders from Advance Wars would to fight against him, the Minister could captor them all and turn them into trophies, for his own greed and power.

Good until I saw the part about them losing a battle and being turned into a trophy forever. If you watch the video, when they are thrown into the battle they are trophies. It looks like they just kind of battle for fun. Diddy and DK are meanwhile fighting off Bowser for bananas. The world seems to go on on it's own, despite the arena battling.

Maybe when they are thrown into battle, they are their normal forms, however, if they lose, they lose their life, being lifeless trophies. Maybe the A. Minister has enough power to turn someone in a trophy with no chance of coming back to life.

Maybe they like to fight for the fun of it. However, the Minister wants war. He do not want to see people fighting for the fun of it. It could be that he wants everyone to fight to the death, fight until their last breath. He could hate the fact how the Brawl tournament because nothing more than just a display of fighting for the fun of it, so he causes hell and maythem.


About the DK and Diddy-Maybe the SubSpace Army have not got to them yet. Maybe news of the arena being blow to bits haven't reach the ears of the people yet and life is still going on despite Minister's attacks.

Or, Bowser could be working for the Minister and stealing DK and Diddy's bannanas could be a part of Bowser's plan to lure DK and Diddy to a trap and force them to work for the Minister.

Another theory I could use is that Bowser may be working for the Minster, yet he actually working on his own personal reason and waiting until the Minister is caught off-guard and starts to betray the Minister. But to show how "loyal" he is to the Minister, Bower might fight some of the Minister's enemies (our heroes of the game)

<i>That's the idea. When a place has been hit with a subspace bomb, it becomes subspace. I do like your idea of making the Assist Trophies NPC allies. And that could very well be the role of Assist trophies in the Subspace Emmisary!</i> (Too lazy to use the quote tags)

Thanks. I really do think that the Assit Trophies in Brawl have a bigger role than just being in the game for show.

Wow..... way too much thought into this... good thoughts...just waaaaaay too much.....

=P I know. I'm a deep thinker, a big deep thinker. Helps me be more amped about Brawl making theories about the game.

 

[maxieman]

I too have suspected mario bringing kirby back was the breaking of said rules

 

[JPW]

whoa, very good points.

It's almost as if you cracked the storyline.... is that you Sakurai?

but yeah that sounds like a pretty good storyline. And actually makes sense in a way.

 

[MysteriousSage]

Nice SSE analysis.
I'd like to see the AT's play a part in the story as well.

 

[Playat]

Thats some very good theory on things like the assist trophies and the subspace army but there's really no telling what their background truly is.

 

[kunai_abuser]

Unlike Sakurai's "This World" crap, this made sense, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this happens

 

[maxieman]

I do find it hard to believe that EXCITEBIKE tried to beat the subspace emmisary XP

 

[The Red M]

Unlike Sakurai's "This World" crap, this made sense, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this happens

I dont know. I mean this guy is Captain obvious. So I think it will be...well...obvious

 

[Pumako]

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[Pumako]

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[maxieman]

^ ok so sonic meets up with pauly shore

wait what

 

[Pumako]

ME AGAIN! very good theory... kan u email it to me? I'm sending all my ideas to The big N (nintendo) so pleaze email me

 

[Thedude3445]

Great ideas!

But why would Excitebike people fight against the Subspace? I guess it would be beacuse Somebody close to the Minister, like his general or something, is trying to get people from vast parts of the Nintenverse, and is getting the Excitebike people because they can make such good hit and run attacks.

I think I know what the bomb does. When the rules are broken, he will not only turn the breakers of the rules to trophies, but it'll turn all the civillians into trophies for his army!
Man, I wish there was a SSB RPG/Strategy game where you could make trophies fight!

 

[Chepe]

Nice thoughts, perhaps they may happen, but I doubt Assist Trophies will be involved in the main storyline. You never know though...

I am, however, of the opinion that all playable villains will end up helping the heroes fight the Subspace Army. EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE says a lot to me, and I think that since we have seen a pic of Meta Knight fighting some Subspace enemies, that his ship was hijacked from him. It would also be REALLY cool to see such characters as Ganondorf or Ridley having to team up with the likes of Fox and Lucas to fight a greater evil that threatens even them...

 

[MetaKnightmare]

A few sentences of praise...


A. W. E. S. O. M. E.

I could totally see this working beautifully. Amazing.

 

[Xarias]

Very good ideas. You're a thinker, for sure. I wouldn't have come up with something like this so easily.

 

[Captain_ObviousV]

Very good ideas. You're a thinker, for sure. I wouldn't have come up with something like this so easily.

Thanks. I want to see a lot of games that actually makes you think, makes you have ideas float in your head, not some mindless storyline of violence. I want to get into the character's head, see what he or she is thinking about his or her battles and such.
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whoa, very good points.

It's almost as if you cracked the storyline.... is that you Sakurai?

but yeah that sounds like a pretty good storyline. And actually makes sense in a way.

No, I am not Sakurai. However, I am a translator for Nintendo. Sakurai gave me some leaked infomation such as that Sigurd from Fire Emblem will be a playable character, the final 3rd party member will be Mega-Man, Roy, Falco, and Gannondorf will come back with a new moveset, Zelda becomes Puppet Zelda and will serve the Minister, and that the Anicent Minister himself is really . . . oh crap! I said to much!
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Thats some very good theory on things like the assist trophies and the subspace army but there's really no telling what their background truly is.

Yeah, that's true. For all we know, the Subspace Army could be a terrorist group, an relgious cult, or working for the Master Hand. The Assit trophies could be clones as well. (However, that's a bit unorginal . . .)
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Unlike Sakurai's "This World" crap, this made sense, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this happens

I think that Sakurai wanted to make the "This World" update like crap you know, so he would be careful with leaking more infomation. Actually, the This World update did leave people to think what will happen. I would be a bit shock if most of my theories would to be true.
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Great ideas!

But why would Excitebike people fight against the Subspace? I guess it would be beacuse Somebody close to the Minister, like his general or something, is trying to get people from vast parts of the Nintenverse, and is getting the Excitebike people because they can make such good hit and run attacks.

I think I know what the bomb does. When the rules are broken, he will not only turn the breakers of the rules to trophies, but it'll turn all the civillians into trophies for his army!
Man, I wish there was a SSB RPG/Strategy game where you could make trophies fight!

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My theory on Excitebike is that he could have been in a race in an arena. The Minister planted a bomb inside the arena and got him as well. Similar to what he did in the Brawl Arena. Excitebike's speed could be a good thing like you say Dude, hit and run.

 

[MetaNiGHTs]

This is very insightful and I wouldn't be surprised if that was it
Good Job

 

[Captain_ObviousV]

A NEW THEORY-Character "Deaths" *SPOILERS FOR METAL GEAR, FIRE EMBLEM 1-5 BELOW*



I check out the update on Grey Fox, the myterious ninja from Metal Gear Solid. If you played the first Metal Gear, you know he was killed by Metal Gear REX . However, as we can see in Brawl, he's alive and well. Or is he?


Now, the theory- Could be possible that The Anicent Minister is playing God and have the power to bring back characters from the dead and use them as his slaves? Will slain characters from various Nintendo and 3rd party game will paly a role in the Subspace storyline? Will they raise from their graves to fight?

We can exam that character "death" and characters from the dead might play a role. Some characters might fake their death, not comming back until near the end of the game. Hell, some characters who'll might fake their death might not come back until the whole game is over. However, that is an overused side-story in gaming and movies, so I don't think that theory might hold water.


If characters do die (which I doubt, but that didn't stop Fire Emblem's and Leged of Zelda) will there partners be affected by it and how? If Peach and Mario are members ,and Mario dies, will Peach just cry, give up, and say "screw it all" or will she reflect on Mario's strenght, courage, and talents and death will make Peach a stronger woman?

Will death in Brawl be a game play issue like Fire Emblem? When a Fire Emblem character dies, he/she is dead for good. So, if Ike dies in Brawl, is that it for him? Is it game over? Will Brawl use that in anyway?

 

[MetaKnightmare]

You are very philosophical...

If a tree falls in the forest and only Captain_ObviousV hears it, is the ancient minister god?

 

[Captain_ObviousV]

Yeah! New Theroy Time . . .

NEW THEORY- The Brawl Theme song and it's lyrics, what they mean to me.


Ah Latin . . .such a lovely, respected launage of man. Even through it is been dead for so many years, it is still used in choirs and the orecestra. The use of Latin chours is very well loved and respect, but you have to do it right to give it such an harmoic sense.


Masahiro Sakurai has done such a great job writing the lyrics for the the main theme. If you read them, each verse has a different meaning-


http://youtube.com/watch?v=wZgnePxqZNw (The Brawl Theme PLUS the actual lyrics)



Verse 1
Alli Fama (Other News of Fame)
Id diu (that takes a long time)
Soliqud os li obi (from the light of expression)
et per dlies de . . . (and through the day down from the tree)

Verse 2
Alilfama (Another reputaion builds)
Id diu ( a long wait for them)
et luidi cretae (and to play out of clay)
et per thearils puer (and through the child theater)


Verse 1 and 2 tells us about fame, reputation and the time that it takes to earn that fame.
"Other News of Fame that takes a long time . . . Another reputation builds a long wait for them . . . "

^Now this could mean that each characters are famous for one thing or anther and the fact that it took a long time for them to reach that level of fame. It was a long wait for them because they weren't famous in just one day. That had to earn that fame and respect, that had to earn that love from so many people.

"From the light of expression"- That could mean that how each Brawler had expressed themselves over the years and how the expression were build within them.


Verse 3
Oner frather (See the expression of the brother)
vidi os (and trouble them)
Oner frather (see the expression of the brother)
vidi os (and bring the pain to them)

This verse is my favorite because it details pain and suffering.

"See the expresison of the brother . . .and bring the pain to them" This could refer to a team battle in the Subspace Emissonary storyline. You team members expresses pain, hurt, and sorrow. The reason it is trouble to you is because your teammates are like family to you, you never want to see you family hurt or suffering. You feel sadden that your family have been hurt.

You check out the expression of your brothen and then you bring the pain to those you hurt your brothen. You will not let them get away for the pain that they cause to your family.



Verse 4
Deesee for tibus (Faliure turns into courage)
Viri forte (From courge comes a soilder)
Laedo convious vige (That soilder shall)
Volde vige! ! (Strike with power!!)
Ascendit a! Ascendit is! (He pursues higher! And higher!) [/I}

I really love this verse as well.

When you character mets failure, when they think they will give up, it will not be the case. They will use their failure as a lesson to give them more power, more strenght and courage. Building upon the courage, building upon the mission, characters like Mario, Ike, Snake, Pit will become soliders.

Buidling from the power, being soliders that they become, they will released all of it. All of the power and strike upon their eneimes.

Verse 5
"Oh gi sunt mi!" ("Oh, they are mine now!)
"Qui ulli fer tres" ("Who are you to fight through my three")
"Vivo Lis" ("lives from which")
Que a ("I have gained?")

When I thought of "Oh, they are mine now" for some reason, I thought of the Minister, stating that soon everyone will be his slaves, his minors. However "Who are yo to fight through . . . I have gained" could mean that the Brawlers will not give up their freewill. That they will not subbcumb to the ruling of the Minister.

Verse 6
"Mantrl a tanto" ("From the greatness of the theater)
"Coeo iam do!" ("Go now and give!")
"Tres mendo" ("I surrender my three lives")
"Fra-tri" (To my brothers!")

The lyrics end with this- "From the greatnessof the theater .... I surrendeer . . . to my brothers!"

In one point of the game, (not taking about multiplayer teams) your character will have to take action, action that could very well end their life, but save the lives of his or her brothers. Maybe this means that a character might have to "die" in order to save his own teammates.

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Any and all ideas are welcome.

 

[lookatthatbaconsizzle]

Cool. How did you translate this?

 

[Thedude3445]

It shows the translations on the site.

But wait. Why did the Ancient Minister want a Nintendog or Mr. Resseti? =P

 

[lookatthatbaconsizzle]

It shows the translations on the site.

But wait. Why did the Ancient Minister want a Nintendog or Mr. Resseti? =P

Idk. but I think it's just for the fact that he can say "Yeah, I took THEM too!".

::Edit::
Plus, who WOULDN'T want Resetti on their team?

 

[Cynan Machae]

Oh, I really like the idea. And since it will be the last smash game, it would be quite logical.

 

[dan smith]

I'm surprised this post is getting a positive response. I've heard all of these ideas before...people have been saying these same things for a long time. They said them in a much more concise manner as well...

This whole topic is just really long and overblown. The context and concept of the storyline is not really much of a secret. The few ideas in this post that are new? Don't seem plausible, despite having a lot of cutscenes and an extended playtime...I doubt the story is going to go into as much detail as this post implies. For instance, Andross probably won't get his own rebellious backstory.

 

[Level 9]

LOL, It's been quite some time sense I've last seen so much thought put into something like this... Makes me happy... :D

Anywhoo on the note of the SSA's various motives & happenings, maybe there just like the Master Hand... Something that exist outside of the normal space & time of the various gameing worlds, but in "this world" where various characters from different points in time & from different worlds have been assembled to do battle it has a powerful influence of some form or another...

Maybe they think by destroying the world that they have all been assemblated in they can somehow get out... And by forcing the inhabitants to fight they can see for themselves who has the most potential fighting spirit (energy) to help them with there goal...

That or they are just like the romans on steroids & it's all about the special for them, and once the characters of the world seem to be geting out of there control they move in to destroy it... I dunno... Many possible ways it could go down but I think you're lookingin the right direction here...

 

[Thedude3445]

I still wonder what Sonic and Snake's involvement in the story, since they aren't even part of the same universe.

 

[HourglassMemory]

It was a very entertaining thought.
May I remind those who do not remember that, in one of those early interviews about what the new smash brothers game would be like I remember clearly that Sakurai said "It's not just fighting anymore. It's a war."

They really want this game to have depth, and what was suggested here does give depth to it.
It does connect the things we're given reasonably.
Of course it's not 100% confirmed that that is what will happen but it's a good theory.

I noticed that Sakurai and his team seem to be trying to unite all the gaming worlds into one world.
They want to make this epic.
Imagine all of these games, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Mario's adventures, Ness's adventures and Link's adventures, Fox’s adventures, ...it was all happening in different areas of one planet, or a universe and it was all ruled by a dictatorship or something.
And this is the final battle between the two. the masters against the rebelling servers, the slaves.
Where gaming worlds collide. When Rayquaza grabs Diddy Kong and gets ‘killed by Fox. The worlds start meshing together.
This teaming up of characters from different game worlds could symbolise the unity growing among the “controlled”.
This does add depth to the game. Especially one that previously was just a game that was entertaining and fun. Now it actually has a story, and it's being massively updated since Melee.
Sakurai’s team faced a platform where Nintendo characters fought for no reason, and in melee came from trophies which happened to be collectible.
They had to work with that, They developed a deep story from that.
I don’t even want too think where Master Hand comes in in all of this.

If the game is deep to the point of Iwata calling it “unprecedented”…I mean, it’s bound to receive an award or two.

Anyway, we shouldn’t expect MAJOR epic stuff, and then get disappointed. Keep your standards low, and then get surprised at everything. That’s how I’ll react, for sure.