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ss118

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Roserade @ Choice Scarf
Natural Cure: Timid
4 Defense, 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack
Leaf Storm
Hidden Power [Ice]
Weather Ball
Toxic Spikes
My starter, revenge killer, and only kind of spiker for the team. Even without any boost, Leaf Storm is insanely powerful, and the Sp. Attack drop works with the "hit-and-run" nature of any Choice Set. It also 2HKO's Gyarados's. HP Ice to knock out those Dragons: works extremely well, since I'm faster than ScarfChomp without a +Spd nature. Weather Ball works great with Tyranitar's Sand Stream, turning it into a 100 special Rock type attack. Toxic Spikes is for predicted switches, since I'm almost guaranteed 2 layers if I predict correctly.

Moltres @ Brightpowder
Pressure: Timid
216 HP, 252 Speed, 40 Special Defense
Flamethrower
Will-o-Wisp
Substitute
Roost
My PP and Toxic Staller for the team. With Substitute and Roost, I can usually get a couple of chances to abuse Brightpowder. Flamethrower and Will-o-Wisp cover anything that gets a boost from, remove, or aren't affected by Toxic Spikes who's name does not:

Begin with an "H"
End with "eatran"

Even the usually Choice Heatrans will often have their PP drained of their Fire moves: especially Fire Blast thanks to 85 accuracy and Brightpowder.
Anyone who wants to argue with Brightpowder can try, but it is Moltres's only chance sometimes to get out alive, especially with SR eating up 50% every switch-in and me having no Rapid Spinner. It also works with Item Clause(if anyone says Item Clause is stupid, stfu).


Jirachi @ Leftovers
Serene Grace: Modest
252 HP, 136 Speed, 120 Special Attack
Psychic
Grass Knot
Substitute
Calm Mind
Yeah.... Umbreonmow's Jirachi. It works, so I'm not gonna argue. I want o replace Grass Knot, because I hate being walled by skarmory's and Steel Types, in general. I also want to use something with a secondary effect.... by you can't have everything.

Tyranitar @ BlackGlasses
Sand Stream: Jolly
252 Attack, 4 Defense, 252 Speed
Crunch
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Taunt
Your standard DDTar: Crunch + EQ have better coverage than Stone Edge with either 2, and BlackGlasses allows me to 2HKO bulky grounds and waters without LO recoil or Stone Edge's accuracy.

Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Sand Veil: Jolly
40 HP, 216 Attack, 252 Speed
Outrage
Earthquake
Swords Dance
Fire Fang
YacheChomp: I love it. Weavile threatening to kill me during an Outrage? No problem! Need a swords dance? I got it!

Gengar @ Life Orb
Levitate: Hasty
128 Attack, 252 Speed, 128 Special Attack
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Hypnosis
Explosion
LOgar: destroys special walls with Explosion(Blissey) or sleep(other).
 

ss118

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Guarantee's the 2HKO on bulky Grounds and waters such as Swampert, Hippowdon, and Milotic without the recoil of LO or the Accuracy of Stone Edge.
 

ss118

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Sometimes, Brightpowder is Moltres's only chance of another switch-in, especially with SR all over the place and me lacking a Rapid Spinner.
.... it also works for item clause =D
 

Famous

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Razor Claw on Weavil using slash or another move with a high critical hit chance. You can also use a scope lens for the same potency...thats what I use anyway
 

ss118

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?

I have to be perfectly honest, that made no relation to my team.

Any intilegent posts are welcome. But no one-liners, please.
 

TombStone

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Roserade @ Choice Scarf
Natural Cure: Timid
4 Defense, 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack
Leaf Storm
Hidden Power [Ice]
Weather Ball
Toxic Spikes
My starter, revenge killer, and only kind of spiker for the team. Even without any boost, Leaf Storm is insanely powerful, and the Sp. Attack drop works with the "hit-and-run" nature of any Choice Set. It also 2HKO's Gyarados's. HP Ice to knock out those Dragons: works extremely well, since I'm faster than ScarfChomp without a +Spd nature. Weather Ball works great with Tyranitar's Sand Stream, turning it into a 100 special Rock type attack. Toxic Spikes is for predicted switches, since I'm almost guaranteed 2 layers if I predict correctly.

Good. I've noticed that these are becoming more frequent as starters.

Moltres @ Brightpowder
Pressure: Timid
216 HP, 252 Speed, 40 Special Defense
Flamethrower
Will-o-Wisp
Substitute
Roost
My PP and Toxic Staller for the team. With Substitute and Roost, I can usually get a couple of chances to abuse Brightpowder. Flamethrower and Will-o-Wisp cover anything that gets a boost from, remove, or aren't affected by Toxic Spikes who's name does not:

Begin with an "H"
End with "eatran"

Even the usually Choice Heatrans will often have their PP drained of their Fire moves: especially Fire Blast thanks to 85 accuracy and Brightpowder.
Anyone who wants to argue with Brightpowder can try, but it is Moltres's only chance sometimes to get out alive, especially with SR eating up 50% every switch-in and me having no Rapid Spinner. It also works with Item Clause(if anyone says Item Clause is stupid, stfu).


Looks annoying. As long as it doesn't have to swap out, it should do pretty well. Stealth Rocks really hurt this guy >_< Also, watch for taunt.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Serene Grace: Modest
252 HP, 136 Speed, 120 Special Attack
Psychic
Grass Knot
Substitute
Calm Mind
Yeah.... Umbreonmow's Jirachi. It works, so I'm not gonna argue. I want o replace Grass Knot, because I hate being walled by skarmory's and Steel Types, in general. I also want to use something with a secondary effect.... by you can't have everything.

Good. Wisher sets phale. Maybe give it HP [Fighting] over Grass Knot? It hits Steels and Darks nice and hard, and everything I usually try to counter Jirachi with is weak to Fighting. Just my thoughts...

Tyranitar @ BlackGlasses
Sand Stream: Jolly
252 Attack, 4 Defense, 252 Speed
Crunch
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Taunt
Your standard DDTar: Crunch + EQ have better coverage than Stone Edge with either 2, and BlackGlasses allows me to 2HKO bulky grounds and waters without LO recoil or Stone Edge's accuracy.

I would suggest a Lum Berry over the BlackGlasses. There are a couple advantages, actually: Taunt is easier to use when you know a status infliction is coming, free swap into Thunder-Waving Blissey, burn relief, etc. Otherwise, very nice.

Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Sand Veil: Jolly
40 HP, 216 Attack, 252 Speed
Outrage
Earthquake
Swords Dance
Fire Fang
YacheChomp: I love it. Weavile threatening to kill me during an Outrage? No problem! Need a swords dance? I got it!

Ok.

Gengar @ Life Orb
Levitate: Hasty
128 Attack, 252 Speed, 128 Special Attack
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Hypnosis
Explosion
LOgar: destroys special walls with Explosion(Blissey) or sleep(other).

Life Orb'd Explosion makes me lol. Looks pretty good.
Overall, I think it's a solid team.
 

Kips

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Your Roserade intrigues me. With Abomasnow it turns into 100 power Ice. With Kyogre or Groudon, Water and Fire. And with your TTar, Rock. Interesting move choice.

I like your Moltres a lot but are there any better choices then Flamethrower? I thought that he ate Will-o-Wisp and Flamethrower for breakfast. I'm ignorant of how you will handle it so could you please explain it to me friendly?

Got no comment on Jirachi. Awesome, solid and sweet.

Your T-Tar is pretty awesome. Interesting to see one without Stone Edge for once.

Garchomp is awesome! Love the Yache Berry but how effective is it against Sash-Avalanche? Then again, how often do you see that...

Great concept with Gengar. You can sweep pretty effectively and then just blow up while Life Orb gets to be too much of a burden. I don't think you should use Hypnosis though, just my personal preference. I would take Energy Ball or the like over it.
 

ss118

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For Tyranitar, I can Taunt any attempt to Burn me. If I wanted to get rid of Taunt and put Stone Edge, I might do that, but then I couldn't 2HKO Bulky Grounds.

Your Roserade intrigues me. With Abomasnow it turns into 100 power Ice. With Kyogre or Groudon, Water and Fire. And with your TTar, Rock. Interesting move choice.I wasn't really planning for Groudon/ Kyogre, but thanks.

I like your Moltres a lot but are there any better choices then Flamethrower? I thought that he ate Will-o-Wisp and Flamethrower for breakfast. I'm ignorant of how you will handle it so could you please explain it to me friendly?Flamethrower has the most PP and accuracy, so it is the preferred choice over all other existing fire moves. Heatran does eat fire moves, but can't do much to Moltres, since I can Sub up till he misses or Roost off the damage. It also helps if the opponent is using a Choiced set, which is much more common than, say, Resttalking versions.

Got no comment on Jirachi. Awesome, solid and sweet.Not mine, but OK

Your T-Tar is pretty awesome. Interesting to see one without Stone Edge for once.I hate 80% accuracy. Even though I do get walled by Skarmory, it becomes set up fodder because of Taunt, and he won't be able to Roost off the damage, so it'll go down by the 3rd DD. By that time it's GG.

Garchomp is awesome! Love the Yache Berry but how effective is it against Sash-Avalanche? Then again, how often do you see that...lol Sash-Avalanche? I think I did that with an SD Weavile once before I realized it had negative priority.

Great concept with Gengar. You can sweep pretty effectively and then just blow up while Life Orb gets to be too much of a burden. I don't think you should use Hypnosis though, just my personal preference. I would take Energy Ball or the like over it.Why use Energy Ball for somethings when I could just put everything to sleep.
Thanks for the comments guys! I hope I get a couple more ;D
 

Kips

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Just wondering- After you stock the Heatrans PP, do you just swap to something that can slaughter it? Also, yeah, I hate the accuracy of a lot of moves. That's why I love the No-Punch set for Machamp. I just don't get the point of putting things to sleep when you want to kill everything and go out with a bang but it's your choice. Hypnosis might be a good choice over Energy Ball anyways because it can put counters to sleep and then swap.
 

ss118

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Think about it: I can put to sleep the switch-in Blissey, sleep the switch-in after that becaue of Natural Cure, and Explode as they bring back Blissey. It's to disable two opponents for the price of one.

If the Heatran actually stays in after lssing all it's PP for a move, it will eventually Struggle itself to death. By that point, I may just switch in Tyranitar and DD.
 

Kips

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Still, it would leave you at a large disadvantage over the next switch in due to your now depleted Roost and Substitute PP. It seems ilke a good strategy though, it just requires a bit of handiwork.

I understand your rationale behind Hypnosis now. Great choice, and who doesn't like the two for ones?
 
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