My Sheik in action

[NeighborhoodP]

Finally got recent vids up of me. This was two weeks ago against EzynJay (Marth) and Mike Haze (Fox) from So Cal. Since then I have gotten better, but I feel I played mostly well in these videos anyway. I don't know the order of these vids -- I didn't upload and we played so much I can't remember. Some of them I'm gonna play like **** in for a while, that was because I was super nervous, but later on I play my best. And if it's FoD, it's probably my counterpick since I love that stage. ^^

Me vs Jay:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iTMJ_DKW5LE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jsRoqL_AIi4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AgBAUqTfk2Q

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6eAlAe8fHy4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=g2myWl6jyOM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EXia4B4xZVo P v Jay <---- How do I DI out of utilts at low percentages properly? I have no idea.

Me vs Haze:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y67Lo7vIYMU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7MuvXKg_gBc <--- Camping is so gay, that's why I hate this level vs Fox. I have no idea how to counter it, so all I did was try to be patient and just do the best I can to get around it and wait for him to make a mistake and cash in on my grabs.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nJ8ksdVJjbQ <--- Wow get ***** ending

http://youtube.com/watch?v=74ymPVZIbG0


Specific things I would like tips on:

Edge guarding (plz give me tips on what I'm doing wrong)
Damaging Fox at earlier %'s (0-30) without getting *****

And pretty much anything else that I'm doing wrong or that I could do better / don't do at all

 

[brickman]

In response to:

Specific things I would like tips on:

Edge guarding (plz give me tips on what I'm doing wrong)
Damaging Fox at earlier %'s (0-30) without getting *****

I did not watch the entirety of your match against haze, but I would suggest 2 things in general. Needles, and going off the stage and using the right aerial for the situation.

The angle of approach is extremely important for both you and the Fox. You have to decide if a Fair, Bair, or Nair is the right thing to do. In most instances I think you are pretty safe with getting away with a needle in the face (if the angle provides) and going of (face to the stage) and doing a rising Nair or Bair.

If they are vertically far down, I would suggest going down and rising Fair'ing them. This should kill them at pretty low percentages, and depending on the stage, they will not be able to recover, and you will make it back (provided you get the correct angle on your Up-B).

As for racking up damage on Fox from 0-30% I suggest keeping up the pressure with grabs tech chases and tilts. They rack up the damage quickly with a down throw getting you about 11% into a tech chase regrab, or a tech punish down smash or up smash. This is obviously easier said than done as the Fox will be sure to keep pressure on you with tons of shines and shffl'ed aerials.

Keep up the good stuff, I think I have some useful stuff written about Fox in a thread of mine, you should take a look at if anything I say sounds somewhat reasonable.

 

[UNBlizzard]

easier said than done brickman fox isnt exactly the easiest person to **** with grabs.
other than that your response sounds about right

 

[brickman]

Yea I know UNBlizzard, that is why I wrote:

"This is obviously easier said than done as the Fox will be sure to keep pressure on you with tons of shines and shffl'ed aerials."

 

[UNBlizzard]

my apologies brickman didnt notice that part

 

[Shmooguy]

Man, I want to record myself playing good people. I'll watch these later.

EDIT: Saw 1st match vs MikeHAZE on DL64.

If they're camping, I run at them with a short hop neutral, but I do it early so it beats their neutral. I don't really watch how I space it, but if I had to guess it'd be so that if they stood in the same place, the neutral would just barely land in front of them. Seems to work for me anyway. Or I miss a fair in front of them and ftilt. I've see Isai do this on various occasions. I prefer the nair. Also, Japanese Sheiks are really good at camping back. Granted, this is on FD, but they dodge the lasers and throw needles when the fox is landing. Seems to do okay, I'm not good at camping so I don't do it.

Edgeguarding

Run off and fair if he's firefoxing in front of you (this happened once I believe).

If he firefoxes from above the stage, throw needles to interrupt him going for the ledge.

If he firefoxes in front of you but far away, throw a needle (this is obvious, i know).

If he firefoxes below and you're on the stage, you can either throw needles (which resets this situation), interrupt with ftilt (ftilt is easier than jab... don't jab lol), or back up and wait for the move to finish, then fair or dsmash depending on angle and positioning. This only changes if he goes for the sweetspot, in which case you can throw angled needles (usually they don't get it perfectly), move up and dsmash, or grab the ledge really quick. I prefer backing up and waiting. Drephen does this. Unless I'm confident that they'll go for the edge, then I'll dsmash them away or grab the ledge.

So that's all good, but honestly I'd rather be on the edge than on the stage against them. So whenever I get the chance I grab the ledge as soon as possible.

Then just drop and back air. So easy lol. Or if they're a bit higher up then jump up and back air. There's nothing they can do and it's easy to make it back to the ledge. Learned this from DSF and this is the best edgeguarding technique I can give you.

Sometimes they're at an awkward angle below you, then I just jump with a nair (learned from Ken, I know he's no Sheik main, but I implemented this into my game and it works a lot). This will either lead to:

Trade hits. Just make sure you land on the stage then go from there.

They tech the side. Usually they walljump tech, and you'll be on the stage. L cancel the nair, jump and throw a needle at them, then fall off the stage, double jump to fair them away. If they're smart they'll come closer to the stage, then you can usually bair them, but try to hit with the weak part so they can't tech it. And hit them from below, the flames are on the upper half of fox.

If they are really far away but they could possibly make it onto the edge, then this is the only time I'd rather be on the stage. Just sit up there, they'll angle up-diagonally, then ftilt when they come down. You should be positioned so that the ftilt goes off the edge.

In the case that they are parallel to the stage, then jump, throw an angled needle hoping to hit them if they go perfectly sideways for the edge, and you'll still have time to ftilt if they angle it up. In theory this works well, but I'm not that good at pulling it off. Technically, it should work though.

So that's edgeguarding the firefox. I don't know why I just posted so much of my edgeguarding game vs fox, since you think you're better than me somehow (lol), but I figured I should pass down my wisdom to those less fortunate =P Also there's more that I'll tell you but not online haha.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Also, Japanese Sheiks are really good at camping back. Granted, this is on FD, but they dodge the lasers and throw needles when the fox is landing.

Lmao that **** *****. I'm gonna watch some japanese sheiks then and take notes. Camping back rules.

Run off and fair if he's firefoxing in front of you (this happened once I believe).

I'm always scared of getting burned =/. If I just run off and do it anyway like normal will I get burned once the fair hits, or before I can even fair?

If he firefoxes from above the stage, throw needles to interrupt him going for the ledge.

I always forget to do this =/

Jabbing = bad habit, I have no idea why I do it.

If he firefoxes below and you're on the stage, you can either throw needles

My main problem is when they're at an angle you can't really throw needles at, they're still relatively close to the stage so they have a lot of angling options from below, and they're kind of below you from the edge yet kind of close so it's hard to do anything if you just grab the edge. Fall down and fair I guess, or you can wait for them to fire and nair them but that usually just hits them towards the stage.

Then just drop and back air.

Even when you hit with it like where it's between her legs? Like just grab, drop down and bair with your invincibility frames, it won't sweet spot but it'll knock them away some, then probably dj and do it again and upb to get the ledge ftw?

Sometimes they're at an awkward angle below you, then I just jump with a nair (learned from Ken, I know he's no Sheik main, but I implemented this into my game and it works a lot).

I do this but they don't get spiked by th estage or anything, it usually sends them far but towards / past the stage, meaning they can def recover before you can follow up. The only exception to this is when I hit it from behind, where it sends them to the right. How low do you do it?

Trade hits. Just make sure you land on the stage then go from there.

If they're smart they'll come closer to the stage, then you can usually bair them, but try to hit with the weak part so they can't tech it. And hit them from below, the flames are on the upper half of fox.

That's useful

In the case that they are parallel to the stage, then jump, throw an angled needle hoping to hit them if they go perfectly sideways for the edge, and you'll still have time to ftilt if they angle it up. In theory this works well, but I'm not that good at pulling it off. Technically, it should work though.

This *****, I try to dsmash too often in situations like this just because I have no idea what else to do and there's always that two-second ticking click, so I'm just like **** IT, DOWN SMASH.

since you think you're better than me somehow

I am. Don't need to take it personally, I'm just honest. We'll see at UCLA; hopefully you can beat the people I can. I do root for Sheik mains, just don't turn into a traitor like Sick.

I played with DSF a lot today and got a lot better v Fox. I solved that damaging Fox at earlier percents problem, so now if I ever get my edge guarding tight Fox won't be that big a problem =)

 

[Luma]

lol, funny thing that u would me i had to play a fox that doenst suck, and now u post some "horrible" vids

 

[NeighborhoodP]

lawl i have no idea who you are, but if you say so. i know how good i am and am not self-conscious about it ^^

 

[Ravenlord]

Check this, NeighborhoodP:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=125171

Oh and read the posts in it.

 

[Luma]

lal u dont even remember what u wrote only 2-3 weeks ago xD

 

[NeighborhoodP]

because i don't keep tabs on every one of my posts for reference so i won't be confused when random people from germany refer to one.

i really don't care though so stop derailing my thread

 

[Shmooguy]

I'm always scared of getting burned =/. If I just run off and do it anyway like normal will I get burned once the fair hits, or before I can even fair?

Depends on the distance, obviously if he's too close you'll get burned before you fair, but then just throw an angled needle. I'm sure you can judge the distance. Don't be scared lol, confidence = win.

My main problem is when they're at an angle you can't really throw needles at, they're still relatively close to the stage so they have a lot of angling options from below, and they're kind of below you from the edge yet kind of close so it's hard to do anything if you just grab the edge. Fall down and fair I guess, or you can wait for them to fire and nair them but that usually just hits them towards the stage.

I meant throw needles sideways so when they come up above the stage they'll get hit and have to reset their recovery. Obviously it's not that good haha. It works better if you angle them and time it so it hits when they're near the edge though. If you play Knivez then he'll sweetspot it but Mike Haze will get ***** lol.

Even when you hit with it like where it's between her legs? Like just grab, drop down and bair with your invincibility frames, it won't sweet spot but it'll knock them away some, then probably dj and do it again and upb to get the ledge ftw?

Well, you want it to hit closer to the foot so it sends them further. If you hit with a really weak part, they'll just fall vertically and you won't have enough time to reach them again. Just let go of the ledge and fall towards the stage, then jump up and bair so you have more room to hit with the end of the foot.

I do this but they don't get spiked by th estage or anything, it usually sends them far but towards / past the stage, meaning they can def recover before you can follow up. The only exception to this is when I hit it from behind, where it sends them to the right. How low do you do it?

Do it earlier. I do it as fast/low as possible, but recently I've been messing up and doing a down air instead of neutral.. you might have seen me do that before. They only go above the stage if I don't do it early enough.

I played with DSF a lot today and got a lot better v Fox. I solved that damaging Fox at earlier percents problem, so now if I ever get my edge guarding tight Fox won't be that big a problem =)

How do you damage fox at early percents? I just attack lol.

I **** Alex when I edgeguard LOL ask Fabian how we **** him in teams. Fabian dsmashes until Alex flies off the stage and then I gimp =)

Sick doesn't play sheik anymore?

 

[Vincent Vega]

Sick doesn't play sheik anymore?

In teams I still do.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

I tried the edgeguarding stuff. It works very well. All I have to do is be aggressive with unsweetspotted bairs. Sheik's verical recovery IS broken.

Space bairs, uairs when Fox is above. Ledge-canceled fairs. Two or three will suffice. Then dsmash will send them far enough so they're not punishing you with it at low percentages. Around 50% it gets pretty easy, a ftilt or dash attack or dtilt will lead to more dash attacks, depending on DI, usmash.

he's marth

 

[araknophobik]

lol don't trip kira, adam thinks he's the best sheik after aesis

and don't act like you didn't get that slow neutral air **** from me lol

 

[NeighborhoodP]

what slow neutral air stuff? anything nair i got from plank.

i can't remember anything ive incorporated into my game that i've got from non-pros. don't flatter yourself ^^

 

[araknophobik]

id rather not have your sheik even be associated with me in any way =]

 

[NeighborhoodP]

You'd be surprise how often my sheik gets compared to yours, usually like, "Your Sheik is a lot harder than Fabian's," etc.

We'll see at UCLA, though if you can't beat Mike Haze you're not better than me, and I don't think you can

 

[araknophobik]

You'd be surprise how often my sheik gets compared to yours, usually like, "Your Sheik is a lot harder than Fabian's," etc.

ahaha who said that haze?
I actually feel ashamed when somebody asks me "is your sheik better than P's?"
everybody at the cal poly tournament told me my sheik was better than yours but don't get defensive over it I'm pretty sure what they meant was that I'm just a better player than you that's why my peach ***** you too but tech wise i guess your sheik > minesies

 

[NeighborhoodP]

just mm me and haze.

otherwise stop spamming my thread, my results speak for themselves ^^

 

[unnknownz]

nice vids looks like you got a good shiek there neighborhood p.