My First 0-Death Combo

[evan rules]

A very 'stock' combo but it feels really good to have gotten this far in such a little time. I first learned what a z-cancel was less than 2 months ago. Anyways enjoy, and don't flame me because your better than me . Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzbZxZgmB0Q&feature=channel_page

 

[Surri-Sama]

Nice, if you wanted to ...or can, you can extend this combo into the tent area by Not Usmashing at the end, but Fast Falling into a Drill/Bair...itd look cool too ^_^

Grats on having Fox as your first z2d too..mine was jigglypuff

 

[Superstar]

Mine was Ness. Dunno any other z2d though. Bleh. Maybe I should watch other z2ds and copy a few. Mine is on Youtube, but this topic isn't about me.

Still man, grats. z2d feels good when you get your first.

Now if only my nets would work right so I can load it. ;_;

 

[Daedatheus]

Haha I love the way people are phrasing it

CONGRATULATIONS YOU JUST LOST YOUR Z2D VIRGINITY

Mine was on... I don't know actually. I learned a whole bunch in a short time. Falcon, maybe? Those are really easy. Learning the others took way more time. Then in no particular order started learning others for the rest of the cast except Samus and DK

Bean learning uair - weak hit - upsmash z2d's on heavies with fox lately
Also been doing shine->jabs on console... not consistently yet though

 

[Wenbobular]

Mine was probably in-game and something dumb and Falcon related

 

[Winston]

Mine was probably in-game and something dumb and Falcon related

Yeah seriously

z2d on dreamland with falcon basically doesn't count I guess

 

[Tigerb0mbz]

pffftttt....i think i did that like in my dreams the other night against chucky...**** that doll did not see that imba shiet coming...

 

[Zen Yore]

dont listen to tiger, he obv wasnt that good 2 months after he learned how to z-cancel

ur combo is basic, but ur a combo beginner, so i wont really criticate it
just keep doing combos and you will get some crazy ones.

thanks for remind me i gotta upload one, falcon on falcon, possibly my best combo (i will post a thread)

 

[PraKirJaq]

Mine was Falcon vs. Kirby. Some U-Air chain to Falcon punch on hyrule.

It was lovely. Too bad I have no effing clue how to re-enact it.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Nice combo. Remember that combo's with too many drills like that one are easily escapable with DI so don't really try to do that combo on anyone unless you play some non di-ing noobie.

All in all a good first combo, keep it up like zenyore said. You'll get better with time.

Remember to practice with a lot of characters too, I used to only play 3 or 4 characters vs good opponents but that was a mistake, take some time to train all your characters and you'll understand combos better, garunteed.

 

[Daedatheus]

Remember to practice with a lot of characters too, I used to only play 3 or 4 characters vs good opponents but that was a mistake, take some time to train all your characters and you'll understand combos better, garunteed.

THIS. Not only does it help your intuitive understanding of the game's physics, playing all the characters allows you understand the matchups of every character WAAAY better.

Plus, there's only 12, have a blast and play them all. Sure, you'll have your favourites and your best ones, but they all have fun stuff to play with.

 

[NixxxoN]

I thought everyone's first zero to death was with falcon... good stuff, fox zero-death combos arent really the easiest

 

[P D]

lulz just dont expect to 0 to death me : )))

 

[Superstar]

I thought everyone's first zero to death was with falcon... good stuff, fox zero-death combos arent really the easiest

My first REAL 0-death was Luigi. Against Jiggs...hahahahaha.

 

[NixxxoN]

My first REAL 0-death was Luigi. Against Jiggs...hahahahaha.

lol you can ko jiggs with luigi's up b at 50%. Still, harder to do than falcon's generic combo

 

[Superstar]

drill->utilt->uair->UpB

So simple, that was in a real match just picking Luigi. I never did a z2d in training mode before then.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

lol you can ko jiggs with luigi's up b at 50%. Still, harder to do than falcon's generic combo

zomg falcons combos take skill, u need thumbs

 

[Daedatheus]

lol you can ko jiggs with luigi's up b at 50%. Still, harder to do than falcon's generic combo

Actually, fresh up+B from Luigi will kill Jiggly STANDING on the middle platform of Hyrule at just 30%. Seriously, try it out. Pretty ridiculous!

 

[Kefit]

I thought everyone's first zero to death was with falcon... good stuff, fox zero-death combos arent really the easiest

Somehow I didn't figure out the proper way to chain Falcon uairs until after finding death combos with Kirby, Fox, Jigglypuff, and Pikachu, along with being able to regularly launch off Pikachu death combos from a variety of low percentages in actual matches.

I have no idea why it took so long, as Falcon uair chains really do seem like the simplest things possible now.

 

[Daedatheus]

Somehow I didn't figure out the proper way to chain Falcon uairs until after finding death combos with Kirby, Fox, Jigglypuff, and Pikachu, along with being able to regularly launch off Pikachu death combos from a variety of low percentages in actual matches.

Wtf... pika uair chains before Falcon uair chains? An interesting anomaly.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Very interesting...what was about Falcon combos you didn't understand?

Falcon's Uairs is what lead me to figure out, about Uair chains and most combos in smash altogether o.o

Started with the basic, Usmash x2-->Uair x4--> UpB

Learning to buffer Uairs so that you dont have to jump twice (or SH while Uairing) is what took me a little time ...years ago

 

[Superstar]

Speaking of which, I just did a Falcon 0-death midmatch yesterday. The last hit KOd, rather than set up for an edgeguard, so that's my second inmatch 0-death and overall 4th 0-death.

... yet I can still vs people who can 0-death in training mode fine. Eh well.

 

[NixxxoN]

zomg falcons combos take skill, u need thumbs

are you serious?

Falcon's uair generic combo is like the cheapest in the game (considering the low difficulty and the big damage)

Actually, fresh up+B from Luigi will kill Jiggly STANDING on the middle platform of Hyrule at just 30%. Seriously, try it out. Pretty ridiculous!

i tried it lol

Also, you can kill jiggs with only drill (to 23%) + up+b (44% and KO) at the top platform of hyrule lmao

Somehow I didn't figure out the proper way to chain Falcon uairs until after finding death combos with Kirby, Fox, Jigglypuff, and Pikachu, along with being able to regularly launch off Pikachu death combos from a variety of low percentages in actual matches.

Falcon's typical combos arent possible on floaties like jiggs or kirby. Well, you can do them but much shorter. Usually two uairs and up+b not more. Can be done on pikachu and mario but its harder. Easy to do on Falcon, Fox, Ness, DK, Link

 

[Surri-Sama]

are you serious?

Falcon's uair generic combo is like the cheapest in the game (considering the low difficulty and the big damage)



i tried it lol

Also, you can kill jiggs with only drill (to 23%) + up+b (44% and KO) at the top platform of hyrule lmao



Falcon's typical combos arent possible on floaties like jiggs or kirby. Well, you can do them but much shorter. Usually two uairs and up+b not more. Can be done on pikachu and mario but its harder. Easy to do on Falcon, Fox, Ness, DK, Link

Combos that work on Pikachu will work on Kirby 9/10

 

[NixxxoN]

Combos that work on Pikachu will work on Kirby 9/10

Are you sure? do you think you can do all those combos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqYkZZONrPc
to kirby?

 

[Kefit]

Falcon's typical combos arent possible on floaties like jiggs or kirby. Well, you can do them but much shorter. Usually two uairs and up+b not more. Can be done on pikachu and mario but its harder. Easy to do on Falcon, Fox, Ness, DK, Link

Well yeah, but I meant combos WITH those characters, not against them. One of my friends has been maining DK too for a long time, so I really have no excuse.

Very interesting...what was about Falcon combos you didn't understand?

I guess I just didn't understand a lot of underlying game mechanics until after getting into Pikachu combo theory a couple of years ago. That opened up my eyes in a lot of ways. Falcon uair chains may seem trivial to me now, but they actually do require proper spacing, timing, and jump usage that I was largely oblivious to before.

... yet I can still vs people who can 0-death in training mode fine. Eh well.

Being able to death combo in training mode doesn't mean an awful lot if they can't actually start those combos mid-match and compensate for your DI. Furthermore, z2ds stop being applicable as soon as the opponent has been hit once or twice. It's far more important to have good knowledge of general combo theory with a given character so that you recognize the range of percentages and situations in which you can launch into combos that either lead to death or an easy edge-guard.

It's very hard to launch off true zero to deaths against someone who doesn't suck.

 

[Superstar]

Yeh, exactly.

I know how to comp, just not z2d. Most of the stuff I try in training mode are standard midmatch combos. But yeh.

 

[Daedatheus]

Speaking of which, I just did a Falcon 0-death midmatch yesterday. The last hit KOd, rather than set up for an edgeguard, so that's my second inmatch 0-death and overall 4th 0-death.

Dude you NEED to be playing more Falcon dittos, obviously.

Actually on Dreamland it's easy to z2d a lot of the cast with Falcon... by easy I mean easier than with other chars

 

[Superstar]

That z2d was on DL. Vs Yoshi. It felt good.

Falcon is good fun. For some reason though, I could not play him at first. Which is wat.

 

[Daedatheus]

Falcon is good fun. For some reason though, I could not play him at first. Which is wat.

Nah, it makes sense. His combos are the easiest to pull off but he can be tough to use when you're starting out because he has fairly bad approach options and is easily comboable himself. Once you figure that out and can handle his SPEED he becomes usable

 

[NixxxoN]

Z2D with Falcon at Dreamland is as easy as, lets say, to do it all the time, with all stocks. At least on emulator

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

are you serious?

Falcon's uair generic combo is like the

Spoiler

-Scrub word removed-

in the game (considering the low difficulty and the big damage)

Nixxon :

Everything I post on this website is sarcastic, stupid, or occasionally witty.

My first 0-death was with falcon, I also main falcon and can do some sick stuff with him as some of you already know.

I agree, Falcon is the easiest character in a competitive setting. At a casual level his weight and recovery make him seem worse.

At a very low competitive level (people who just recently started z cancel and SH) Falcon is easily, easily the best, due to how bad newbies are at starting combos, the falcon fthrow is win

 

[Surri-Sama]

At least on emulator

I find it easier on Console, SH-Uair at will is great xP

Who doesn't prefer the Console Version

 

[Daedatheus]

I find it easier on Console, SH-Uair at will is great xP

Who doesn't prefer the Console Version

Agreed, I pretty much never mess up a zerotodeath with Falcon on console, whereas online it happens

 

[NixxxoN]

Nixxon :

Everything I post on this website is sarcastic, stupid, or occasionally witty.

My first 0-death was with falcon, I also main falcon and can do some sick stuff with him as some of you already know.

I agree, Falcon is the easiest character in a competitive setting. At a casual level his weight and recovery make him seem worse.

At a very low competitive level (people who just recently started z cancel and SH) Falcon is easily, easily the best, due to how bad newbies are at starting combos, the falcon fthrow is win

K man, I know... Once again sarcasm doesn't work on writing mode. If someone posts something, by default you r gonna take it seriously.

I find it easier on Console, SH-Uair at will is great xP

Who doesn't prefer the Console Version

I forgot to say, I've always played the European version, which is 50HZ isntead of 60Hz, so slower and harder do do combos and flashy stuff. No wonder why I got so much better after playing the US version for some months.

 

[Fireblaster]

If someone posts something, by default you r gonna take it seriously.

This is where you are in the wrong

 

[NixxxoN]

This is where you are in the wrong

D:!

This is supposed to be the right way... Unless there's a troll talking.

 

[Surri-Sama]

D:!

This is supposed to be the right way... Unless there's a troll talking.

Really, I just look at the context it was said in, and the person who said it....but even that doesn't always give you a clear idea, so confusion is unavoidable xP

 

[Lawrencelot]

This combo is not against a human... that doesn't count. Do the same thing against someone at your skill level, or below, or above, that doesn't matter as long as it's no cpu, and i'll congratulate you.