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Blitz Falcon

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EDIT: MY NEW TEAM IS FURTHER DOWN ON THIS PAGE



So a month and a half ago or so, I got platinum, and I enjoy pokemon, So I decided to find out what ev training was, since a few kids in my town do it. I've worked my *** off, trying to; breed, hatch, get the right iv's, ev train, and learn everything I can about pokemon, I'm sooo addicted. I've read several threads about it so, here's my team. Mostly just made of favorites, but they cover each other pretty well. I've tested them a few times.


Hippowdon:
Leftovers
Impish Nature(+Def,-SAtk)
Earthquake
IceFang
Stealth Rock
Slackoff
252 Hp/ 28 Atk/ 184 Def/ 44 Spd

Role: Tank

Lucario:
Choice Specs
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
Psychic
Aura Sphere
Calm Mind
Dark Pulse
252 SAtk/ 160 Spd/ 92 Hp/4 SDef

Role: Special Sweeper

Magmortar:
Life Orb
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
Lava Plume
Focus Blast
Thunder Bolt
Hp Ice
252 SAtk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp

Role: Mixed Sweeper

Torterra:
Leftovers
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
Wood Hammer
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Sythesis
180 Hp/ 252 Def/ 72 Atk

Role: Physical Wall/Supporter(I guess, because of SR)


Electivire:
Expert Belt
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Thunder Punch
Cross Chop
HP Ice
Earthquake
252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp

Role: Physical Sweeper


Blissy:
Leftovers
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
Grassknot
Flamethrower
SoftBoiled
Aromatherapy
Role: Wall/Supporter
224 Hp/ 216 Def/ 68 SAtk

The reason I used flamethrower, is that it covers more types than thunderwave, I wouldn't be able to touch any **** ground pokemon (i.e. Garchomp.) Though I suppose Grass Knot would do pretty well.

Alternates:

Rhyperior:
Leftovers
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Substitute
Megahorn
252 Hp/ 200 Def/ 56 Atk


Role: Physical Wall/Attacker

This is the only alternate I have right now, I'm thinking about adding Gyarados Empoleon and Staraptor to this alternates list.


Thats my team :) Thanks!
 

WouW

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If you EVd, care to post the EVs? (lol)

-Torterra is a horrible lead, and it can't do much to a lot of leads and gets Taunted easily.
-A better SpecsLuke set would be Aura Sphere/Shadow Ball/HP Ice/Vacuum Wave.
-Magmortar needs HP Ice. And a Modest nature.
-Rhyperior is meh, consider using Choice Band and replace Sub with Aqua Tail.
-WTF blissey without Softboiled or Wish?
-Electivire wants Earthquake.
-Hippo is fine.

I'm going to rate this 4.5/10, as you miss information, a lot of pokés have wrong moves (WTF blissey) and your lead sucks.
 

Blitz Falcon

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Oh, my bad, I didn't post it in any order...
I'm just learning still... Jesus.
I'll post the ev's and, I'll go teach my blissy softboil now.
I used serebii for most of this.

Edit: I'm also not sure what order to put them in...
 

CRASHiC

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A starter should either set your team in a favorable position, as Hipowdon does with continuous sandstorm and stealth rock, or can dish out major fast damage to anything like Metagross. There are also anti leads, mainly ones that carry tools to mess with common leads with moves like trick to stop them from using steath rock or spikes.

The most common starters I see are:

Hippowdown
Metagross
Ninjask
Aerodactyl.
 

Wave⁂

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The lead Pokemon usually lays out entry hazards like Stealth Rock, Spikes, or Toxic Spikes (Metagross, Skarmory, Roserade, etc).

In some cases, the lead is a Pokemon that would otherwise take a lot of damage from Stealth Rocks (Typhlosion, Ninjask, etc).

Some leads are designed to kill or cripple other leads (Aerodactyl and Electrode's Taunt, Breloom, Darkrai, and Roserade's Sleep attacks, Swampert's good type coverage, Azelf and Electrode's Explosion).

Some leads set up battle effects like Trick Room, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Sandstorm, and Hail (Bronzong, Azelf, Ludicolo, Tyranitar, Hippowdon, Abomasnow).

Some leads use the opponent's round setting up Stealth Rocks to set up themselves (Smeargle, Ninjask).

Here is a list of common leads.

EDIT: Regarding your team --

Stealth Rocks over Curse on Hippowdon.

Specs Lucario is very underrated, mostly because of the "WTF Aura Sphere?" effect. However, your attacks are meh. First off, Aura Sphere is for STAB. Shadow Ball hits Ghost types that are immune to Fighting. Dark Pulse and Shadow Ball are almost the same, but Dark Pulse is resisted by Fighting types, so go with Shadow Ball. Hidden Power Ice is good for type coverage. If you don't want to breed for the IVs, go with Flash Cannon. Vaccuum Wave and Blaze Kick are decent options for the final moveslot.

No Pokemon
except Slaking
should EVER, in ANY circumstance, have the attacks Hyper Beam, Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant, etc. They are never worth it: if you don't get the kill, you are almost guarenteed to be KOd back. Attacks like Bounce are sometimes useful if you get STAB and Leftovers recovery (Bulky Gyarados, for example).
As a sweeper, you should use Fire Blast over Plume. Hidden Power Ice fits best in the last slot. Psychic if you don't want to breed for the IVs.

Leech Seed over Synthesis; your Hippowdon cuts Synthesis's healingness.

Ice Punch over HP Ice.

Blissey is a terrible Pokemon and I hate you for using it.

Rhyperior wants Rock Polish.
 

CRASHiC

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No Pokemon except Slaking should EVER, in ANY circumstance, have the attacks Hyper Beam, Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant, etc. They are never worth it: if you don't get the kill, you are almost guarenteed to be KOd back. Attacks like Bounce are sometimes useful if you get STAB and Leftovers recovery (Bulky Gyarados, for example).
As a sweeper, you should use Fire Blast over Plume. Hidden Power Ice fits best in the last slot. Psychic if you don't want to breed for the IVs.


With hyper beam and adaptability, it becomes a 300 power base move, taking down anything in your way, with the minor exception of Blissey, who will only take 2/3rd damage with choice specs applied. In this situation, The move could be applied.

That's just my opinion though.
 

Wave⁂

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Giga Impact is better, since your opponent has less of a chance to switch in Gengar or Rotom.
 

Circa

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Slaking shouldn't ever use Giga Impact, because after that you have free setup fodder because he can't switch out.
What he said. Even in that circumstance, just use Return. You can still switch, and the dude is so strong that he'll beat you to death anyway.

And sorry for getting off track. Just couldn't help but include my 2c.
 

Blitz Falcon

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I'm learning, so its all good :)

I kept my natures, But I restarted my pokémon team. Why hate me for using Blissy, I wasn't gonna put her in at first, be she's really ****...

I'm rebreeding my pokemon and stuff, I didn't realize my team was that bad.

I might try a stall team.

Oh, and I might take something out and add a tentacruel.
 

Blitz Falcon

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Lol, I just took a bunch of advice i saw on different forums, and put them together, I restarted again, I'm making a sweeping team, here's a basic, I haven't figured out the moveset yet, or what pokemon is gonna be my lead, I have one spot open on my team.

In no particular order, because I don't know what my lead will be yet.

Favorite Pokemon^^ :
Electivire: @ Expert Belt
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Ability: Motor Drive
ThunderPunch
CrossChop
HP Ice
Earthquake
Base Stats: 75 Hp/ 123 Atk/ 76 Def/ 95 SAtk/ 85 SDef
The EV's I gave it:
252 Atk/252 Spd/4 Hp

Alternatives for Electivire: I didn't have any, he is gonna be on my team.

Dragonite: @ Focus Sash
Naughty Nature (+Atk, - SDef)
Ability: Inner Focus
DD
Dragon Rush
Earthquake ( Yea, two pokemon with EQ "Bad" I know)
Thunderbolt
Base Stats: 91 Hp/ 135 Atk/ 95 Def/ 100 SAtk/ 100 SDef/ 80 Spd
The EV's I gave it:
208 Spd/252 Atk/ 48 SAtk

The 208 Spd is to outrun Jolly Tyranitar, and another pokemon whose name escapes me right now...
The 45 SAtk, is because I put on thunderbolt out of laziness to do HP elec or ThunderPunch.

Dragon Dance Physical Sweeper Alternatives for Dragonite: Kingdra, but his speed and power didn't add up to dragonite, I didn't want an Altaria on my team, and Gyarados was the only thing that could keep up with Dragonite, I ended up putting them both in, even though they share the same Ice Type weakness.

Gyarados: @ idk yet
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
Ability: Intimidate
DD
Ice Fang
Waterfall <--Thats physical right? just making sure...
Thunderbolt
Base Stats: 95 Hp/125 Atk/ 79 Def/ 60 SAtk/100 SDef/ 81 Spd
The EV's I gave it:
208 Spd/ 252 Atk/ 48 SAtk

Same reasons as Dragonite. + it handles a few other pokemon.

Alternatives: Same as Dragonite.

Mewtwo: @ Choice Specs
Rash (+SAtk, -SDef)
Ability: Pressure
Calm Mind
Charge Beam
Psychic
Ice Beam
Base Stats: 106 Hp/ 110 Atk/ 90 Def/ 154 SAtk/ 90 SDef/ 130 Spd
The Ev's I gave it:
252 SAtk/152 Spd/104 Hp

Speed to make it faster than almost all the dark and ghost pokemon in the game, :) I did my homework.
This is mostly to counter my friends GAYY Legendary EV trained team. But still I'm just lookin over all.

"Calm Mind" Special Sweeper Alternatives for Mewtwo: I could've put in a rash or mild Infernape, but the only third special move I could find was solarbeam, and that was a no no, it could've costed me a turn, that might cost me the match. Alakazam, just a weaker Mewtwo. Claydol was way too slow for my purposes.

Yea, its coming, overused:

Tyranitar: @ Idk yet
Jolly ^^ (+Spd, -SAtk)
Ability: Sand Stream
Rock Polish
Dragon Claw
Earthquake<---OHS NOES! #3
Brick Break
Base Stats: 100 Hp/ 134 Atk/ 110 Def/ 95 SAtk/ 100 SDef/61 Spd
The EV's I gave it:
252 Atk/252 Spd/ 4 Hp

If anyone has a suggestion for a lead or a 6th pokémon that'd be great.
Or what items to use with the pokémon that need them.
Thanks for any advice!

Totally redone.
 

WouW

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You're doing very well.

Favorite Pokemon^^ :
Electivire: @ Expert Belt
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Ability: Motor Drive
ThunderPunch
CrossChop
HP Ice
Earthquake
Base Stats: 75 Hp/ 123 Atk/ 76 Def/ 95 SAtk/ 85 SDef
The EV's I gave it:
252 Atk/252 Spd/4 Hp

Alternatives for Electivire: I didn't have any, he is gonna be on my team.
If you're making this one purely physical, replace HP Ice with Ice Punch.

Dragonite: @ Focus Sash
Naughty Nature (+Atk, - SDef)
Ability: Inner Focus
DD
Dragon Rush
Earthquake ( Yea, two pokemon with EQ "Bad" I know)
Thunderbolt
Base Stats: 91 Hp/ 135 Atk/ 95 Def/ 100 SAtk/ 100 SDef/ 80 Spd
The EV's I gave it:
208 Spd/252 Atk/ 48 SAtk

The 208 Spd is to outrun Jolly Tyranitar, and another pokemon whose name escapes me right now...
The 45 SAtk, is because I put on thunderbolt out of laziness to do HP elec or ThunderPunch.
Dragonite wants Outrage instead of Dragon Rush, and you're better off with Fire Blast/Fire Punch in the last slot. Otherwise, good. Yache Berry and Life Orb are better items to use than Focus Sash.


Dragon Dance Physical Sweeper Alternatives for Dragonite: Kingdra, but his speed and power didn't add up to dragonite, I didn't want an Altaria on my team, and Gyarados was the only thing that could keep up with Dragonite, I ended up putting them both in, even though they share the same Ice Type weakness.
Consider Salamence?


Gyarados: @ idk yet
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
Ability: Intimidate
DD
Ice Fang
Waterfall <--Thats physical right? just making sure... yes it's physical
Thunderbolt
Base Stats: 95 Hp/125 Atk/ 79 Def/ 60 SAtk/100 SDef/ 81 Spd
The EV's I gave it:
208 Spd/ 252 Atk/ 48 SAtk

Same reasons as Dragonite. + it handles a few other pokemon.
Earthquake and Stone Edge are better options over Thunderbolt and they benefit from DD and Gyara's massive Attack.

Mewtwo: @ Choice Specs
Rash (+SAtk, -SDef)
Ability: Pressure
Calm Mind
Charge Beam
Psychic
Ice Beam
Base Stats: 106 Hp/ 110 Atk/ 90 Def/ 154 SAtk/ 90 SDef/ 130 Spd
The Ev's I gave it:
252 SAtk/152 Spd/104 Hp

Speed to make it faster than almost all the dark and ghost pokemon in the game, :) I did my homework.
This is mostly to counter my friends GAYY Legendary EV trained team. But still I'm just lookin over all.
Thunderbolt is better than Charge Beam as CM raises your Special Attack anyway, and consider Aura Sphere over Psychic to beat Blissey after a bunch Calm Minds. Calm Mind + Choice Specs doesn't work anyway, so use Life Orb, Leftovers or Expert Belt, or drop Calm Mind for Shadow Ball or Flamethrower.

"Calm Mind" Special Sweeper Alternatives for Mewtwo: I could've put in a rash or mild Infernape, but the only third special move I could find was solarbeam, and that was a no no, it could've costed me a turn, that might cost me the match. Alakazam, just a weaker Mewtwo. Claydol was way too slow for my purposes.
Mewtwo doesnt need alternatives, and CM Infernape is bad due to its bad defenses. If you want to use Infernape, do it like this:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Hasty/Blaze
252SpA/64Atk/192Spe
Close Combat
Fire Blast
HP Ice
Grass Knot

OHKOs or 2HKOs all walls you can find in OU.


Yea, its coming, overused:

Tyranitar: @ Idk yet
Jolly ^^ (+Spd, -SAtk)
Ability: Sand Stream
Rock Polish
Dragon Claw
Earthquake<---OHS NOES! #3
Brick Break
Base Stats: 100 Hp/ 134 Atk/ 110 Def/ 95 SAtk/ 100 SDef/61 Spd
The EV's I gave it:
252 Atk/252 Spd/ 4 Hp

If anyone has a suggestion for a lead or a 6th pokémon that'd be great.
Or what items to use with the pokémon that need them.
Thanks for any advice!
Tyranitar can use Life Orb. Needs Crunch over Dragon Claw. EQ is good. Maybe drop Rock Polish and use a Choice Band or use Dragon Dance/

Also, for a lead, it depends what kind of lead you want. SR? Anti-lead? Baton Pass? Your pick.
 

Blitz Falcon

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People want stupid things for a Bagon/Shelgon/Salamance in the GTS, and idk if you can actually get one in game.
Here are the teams I'm trying to beat, I'm really not a fan of using the same pokémon as my friends:
(in noparticular order)

Team 1:
Bronzong (Wall)
Roserade (Supporter)
Lucario (Phys. Sweeper)
Gallade (Spec. Sweeper)
Togekiss (I'm not sure, it knows aura sphere, roost, and thats all I can remember right now)
Dusknoir (CRAP wall, I **** it with lvl 80 non EV'd Pokemon, so i'm not worried)

Team 2: (He isn't done but...)
Dialga <--- Grrrr. (Sweeper)
Torterra (Phys. Wall)
Empoleon (Wall)
Lucario (Spec. Sweeper)
Staraptor (Phys. Sweeper)
Open

Team 3:
Milotic.
And I haven't played him yet, so I haven't factored him in.



I'm going to add infernape in, changed the items a little, still tweaking them.

Is OU overused and UU underused or something? I know. I'm scrubbish, but that would be nice to know.

Here's how I made my team, just to show you why I chose the moves I did.
First I picked the Sweeper I wanted. Since my first one was DD I'll use that one.
I looked up what pokémon can learn it. And their base stats. (which I don't remember, and I can't find the paper I wrote them down on.)
Kingdra
Gyrados
Salamance
Dragonite
Altaria
Tyranitar

I looked at the plus and minus' for each of them,
then I looked if they were over and under used,
Then I picked out a moveset for each,
Figured out which moveset I wanted, and with which stats, and which nature.
So after doing this for Calm Mind sweepers which now gives me two spec. Sweeps and 2 phys. Sweeps
I added a jolly tyranitar. Picked a moveset, and figured, I wanted to raise it's speed. So I chose rock polish.

So the choices of my team looked like this
Electivire
Gyrados/Salamance/Dragonite
Tyranitar/Gyarados/Dragonite
Mewtwo
Infernape/Alakazam
Decided I didn't want Alakazam or Infernape. But since I got some advice I added my 6th spot and an infernape.
 

Blitz Falcon

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Sorry For the double post!

Favorite Pokemon^^ :
Electivire: @ Expert Belt
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Ability: Motor Drive
ThunderPunch
CrossChop
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Base Stats: 75 Hp/ 123 Atk/ 76 Def/ 95 SAtk/ 85 SDef
The EV's I gave it:
252 Atk/252 Spd/4 Hp

Dragonite: @ Expert Belt
Naughty Nature (+Atk, - SDef)
Ability: Inner Focus
DD
Dragon Rush
Earthquake ( Yea, two pokemon with EQ "Bad" I know)
Fire Blast
Base Stats: 91 Hp/ 135 Atk/ 95 Def/ 100 SAtk/ 100 SDef/ 80 Spd
The EV's I gave it:
208 Spd/252 Atk/ 48 SAtk

Gyarados: @ Lefties
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
Ability: Intimidate
DD
Ice Fang
Waterfall
Thunderbolt
Base Stats: 95 Hp/125 Atk/ 79 Def/ 60 SAtk/100 SDef/ 81 Spd
The EV's I gave it:
208 Spd/ 252 Atk/ 48 SAtk


Mewtwo: @ Lefties
Rash (+SAtk, -SDef)
Ability: Pressure
Calm Mind
Charge Beam
Psychic
Ice Beam
Base Stats: 106 Hp/ 110 Atk/ 90 Def/ 154 SAtk/ 90 SDef/ 130 Spd
The Ev's I gave it:
252 SAtk/152 Spd/104 Hp


Tyranitar: @ Life Orb
Jolly ^^ (+Spd, -SAtk)
Ability: Sand Stream
DD
Dragon Claw
Earthquake<---OHS NOES! #3
SR
Base Stats: 100 Hp/ 134 Atk/ 110 Def/ 95 SAtk/ 100 SDef/61 Spd
The EV's I gave it:
252 Atk/252 Spd/ 4 Hp

Infernape @ Life Orb
Hasty/Blaze
252SpA/64Atk/192Spe
Close Combat
Fire Blast
HP Ice
Grass Knot
 

WouW

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Lucario (Phys. Sweeper)
Gallade (Spec. Sweeper)
Either that's mixed up or your friend's brain is mixed up.

Infernape would do well to beat your friends as (Levitate) Bronzong doesn't like Fire Blast, Roserade doesn't either, Lucario gets OHKOed by Close Combat, I don't know how well it would do against Togekiss and Gallade but since your friend's Dusknoir poses no threat that's 4 out of 6 pokés covered.

The second team also has three pokés weak to Infernape, and maybe four (with Staraptor's low Special Defense and it's outsped) and possibly five if the last poké doesn't resist Infernape's moveset either. The only one remaining is Dialga, who still takes a lot of damage from Close Combat, and if it isn't bulky you have a good chance that Life Orb Close Combat OHKOs it. Meaning a potential six out of six pokés outsped and covered. (with just two moves, Fire Blast and Close Combat, lol)

Conclusion: Infernape rocks your opponents' teams.
 

Blitz Falcon

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yea, Glad you told me he was that ****, thanks,
I'm still gonna lose to my 3rd friends teams, he's too good at this game, he know like every strategy ever, and I still dunno what pokes he has. But I might at least be able to hold my own.\

Oh and I messed it up, sorry. It is the other way around.
 
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