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My Controller and Fox

CeeLew

Smash Rookie
Joined
Jul 27, 2015
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Hey guys!

So I've been playing this game with a competitive mindset for about two weeks now and I decided to grind out the tech skill and learn how to play Fox. From what I have seen from the pro scene, he just looks like the most fun and I enjoy the challenge of learning all of the tech skill that is involved in order to get good with him. Anyways, as I have gone through learning the basics, I have run into two things that I found interesting...

First, I can wavedash pretty well and can even waveshine (although not too consistently), but there are times where when I try to waveshine, I end up doing a side+b instead, and then there are times where I'll end up doing the waveshine, but it literally feels no different than when i flubbed up and did a side+b. My controller is a few years old, but considering I did not touch it much until recently, it is in good condition.

Second, I find wavedashing and waveshining to be easier than short-hopping. Don't get me wrong, I CAN short-hop, but standing still I can only do it 8 out of 10 times and when i'm moving around, i'll be lucky to do it 3 out of 10 times. I use the "Y" button to jump if that helps anyone with answers.

All of this leads to my question(s).

Are there controllers out there where I would be able to better tell if my joystick was pointing to the side rather than point at a diagonal or downward direction? If so, links please! If not, then are there drills that can better help with my control over the joystick? I'm tired already of SDing off the side from an accidental side+b. -__- I figure the short-hopping problem is just from a lack of practice and not a controller issue, or at least that is what i hope.
 
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Diana's Safe Landing

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doesn't sound like the controller. Even if you feel like you're doing the input right you can still be doing it wrong. trust me I've looked at my controller in disbelief when I SWEAR my firefox angle was perfect. Just pinpoint the issue and fix it. You're pressing side-b instead of down -b. Common issue. Make an effort to hold the stick lower down when waveshining.
 

Rachman

be water my friend
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Also, you can't shine out of a dash but you can out of run (those are separate states that are very important to understand). Generally when someone side bs off stage its trying to waveshile while still in dash
 

20YY SS | Saiblade

Obviously not biased towards Falco
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It's not the controller, when you're starting out, it's not uncommon for that to happen as your inputs aren't precise enough yet. Also, short hopping and wavedashing aren't really correlated as you don't have to shorthop to wavedash, Just grind out short hopping and it'll become a crap ton easier. That said, good luck, and happy smashing.
 

CeeLew

Smash Rookie
Joined
Jul 27, 2015
Messages
15
I appreciate the replies from everyone! They have been very helpful!

It's not the controller, when you're starting out, it's not uncommon for that to happen as your inputs aren't precise enough yet. Also, short hopping and wavedashing aren't really correlated as you don't have to shorthop to wavedash, Just grind out short hopping and it'll become a crap ton easier. That said, good luck, and happy smashing.
Yeahhh... I figured I was probably just placing the blame on something else rather than taking responsibility for myself. I can already see progress in my waveshining this morning than from last night, so it is definitely me! Thank you for the info. on short hopping and wavedashing! When you say grind out short hopping, what does that look like? I imagine it is going to practice mode and just hop in place until I can get it 10/10, 20/20, 30/30, etc. or is it playing against the CPU and focusing on short-hopping as I move around the stage? Something else?
 

20YY SS | Saiblade

Obviously not biased towards Falco
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I appreciate the replies from everyone! They have been very helpful!



Yeahhh... I figured I was probably just placing the blame on something else rather than taking responsibility for myself. I can already see progress in my waveshining this morning than from last night, so it is definitely me! Thank you for the info. on short hopping and wavedashing! When you say grind out short hopping, what does that look like? I imagine it is going to practice mode and just hop in place until I can get it 10/10, 20/20, 30/30, etc. or is it playing against the CPU and focusing on short-hopping as I move around the stage? Something else?
First go into training mode and just do it over and over and over until you can get it 10/10, then do the CPU thing.
 
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