My Character Predictions

[Llumys]

Hello, I'm new to these Forums, and first, I'd like to introduce myself.

Hello, my username is Llumys, as you can see. I've loved Melee as long as I've had it, and I've been waiting for Brawl since E3. I check for updates every day, and my main on Melee was Fox.

This thread is about my predictions of characters being in Brawl.

Super Mario​

Mario - 100%

Nintendo's mascot. Confirmed.


Bowser - 100%

Mario's famed worst enemy. Confirmed.


Peach - 100%

At least she can fight Bowser. Confirmed.


Luigi - 100%

In the first game, and Mario's brother. Wouldn't be Smash without him. Maybe he'll have his vacuum for his down special.


Doctor Mario - 20%

A very unpopular clone. I doubt he'll make a comeback.


Toad - 5%

He's Peach's neutral Special.


Bowser Jr. - 60%

I'm not sure, but he'd be a great addition with his paintbrush, and possible Shadow Mario transformation.


Waluigi - 15%

Waluigi with the mushroom symbol, and Wario without it wouldn't make too much since, now would it? He'd have a quite unique moveset, but he'd just be a filler.


Daisy - 10%

She'd be a useless clone.

The Legend of Zelda​

Link - 100%

One of the original Nintendo swordsmen. Confirmed.


Zelda - 100%

Another princess to save, and the holder of the wisdom triforce. Confirmed.


Sheik (Transformation) - 50%

Since Zelda is using her Twilight Princess design, it would be rather strange seeing her transforming into Sheik.


Sheik (Separate) - 70%

It would be better seeing her as a separate character.


Ganondorf - 100%

He was in Melee, but his moveset could be changed. He'd be better with his sword.


Young Link ("Major's Mask" Design) - 40%

He was too much of a clone in Melee.


Young Link ("Wind Waker" Design) - 75%

He's in three games, and could be a decent Link clone. His specials would be different, though.


Tingle - 40%

He'd be awesome. Tingle is very popular in Japan.


Skull Kid - 40%

He'd be about at 60% if Young Link ("Majora's Mask" Design) gets in.


Midna (with Wolf Link) - 65%

She played a huge role in a similar game to the greatest Zelda game ever.


Midna - 15%

Midna isn't a fighter.

Vaati - 30%

The second most reoccurring villain in the series.

Pokémon​

Pikachu - 100%

The famous Pokémon that even your grandparents know about. Confirmed.


Pokémon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard)- 100%

A great, unique addition, and unexpected, too! Confirmed.


Jigglypuff - 100%

In the first game, unique and irreplaceable.


Mewtwo - 85%

One of the most huge villains in the Pokémon series.


Pichu - 20%

A horrible, self-damaging, easily killed, unpopular clone from Melee. But cute?


Lucario - 85%

Lucario. Short and sweet.


Blaziken - 25%

Can't beat Lucario.

Kirby's Dreamland​

Kirby - 100%

Can... Can it speak? Confirmed.


Meta Knight - 100%

Kirby's ally, but yet, enemy. Confirmed.


King Dedede - 90%

He's a penguin with a hammer and Kirby's main enemy. Also, Sakurai created him.

Donkey Kong Country​

Donkey Kong - 100%

He's an ape with a tie. Confirmed.


Diddy Kong - 100%

Peanuts! Confirmed.


King K. Rool - 75%

The Kremlin Krew's leader, and the DK Krew's enemy.


Dixie Kong - 20%

I wanted her to be a duo with Diddy, but I guess not.

Yoshi's Island​

Yoshi - 100%

Yoshi! Yoshi! Confirmed.


Kamek - 40%

Would be great to have a second representative for the series.

WarioWare​

Wario - 100%

Sexier than Zero Suit Samus. Confirmed.


Jimmy Thang - 15%

If anyone else from this series would get in, it's him.

Metroid​

Samus Aran (Zero Suit Samus Transformation) - 100%

Beep. Confirmed.


Ridley - 90%

He's Ridley! Hez nt 2 big!


Dark Samus - 80%

Would be a great Luigi-like clone.


Zero Suit Samus - 40%

Yes, seperate.

StarFox​

Fox McCloud - 100%

Mission Complete! Confirmed.


Falco Lombardi - 80%
He'd have to have a more bird-like moveset.


Krystal - 95%

She'd be great with her staff.


Wolf O'Donnel - 85%

Fox's number one rival. He'd be a good one-armed fighter.

F-Zero​

Captain Falcon - 100%

FALCON PAUNCH!


Black Shadow - 75%

He's the only other character good enough character to be a representative.

Mother/EarthBound​

Ness - 95%

He was in the first game, but could easily be replaced by Lucas.


Lucas - 85%

He's just as important as Ness.


Masked Man/Boy - 40%

He'd be an AMAZING addition. He'd have a crazy moveset, great speed, original moves...

Fire Emblem​

Ike - 100%

An awesome addition. Confirmed.


Marth - 100%

The most important Fire Emblem character ever.


Sigurd - 60%

He'll probably make it in, as a clone if not original.


Micaiah - 70%

Would be a great, unique addition.


Black Knight - 85%

The Fire Emblem enemy.


Roy - 35%

He's a clone, and less important than Marth.

Other​

Some Animal Crossing Character (Animal Crossing) - 100%

I haven't ever played an Animal Crossing game, and the only characters I know are in the background of Smashville.


Captain Olimar (Pikmin) - 90%

He's had two games, that were very original. He could have a unique moveset, but if anything he'd be very weak.


Sukapon (Joy Mecha Fight) - 70%

Awesome, original, unexpected.

Retro​

Pit (Kid Icarus) - 100%

Now people know who he is. Confirmed.


Ice Climbers (Ice Climber) - 90%

Unexpected addition to Melee, probably returning.


Mr. Game & Watch (Game & Watch) - 80%

The SURPRISE! from Melee.


Lip (Panel de Pon) - 40%

With Lip's Stick confirmed, her chances have lowered.

Third Party​

Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid) - 100%

W-w... what?! Confirmed.


Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic the Hedgehog) - 90%

With Mario and Sonic atOG, he's a sho-in.


Geno (Super Mario RPG) - 80%

I serve... a higher authority. I really, really, really hope he gets in.


Megaman (Megaman X) - 80%

Would be a great addition. Popular demand, too.



Well, that's about it!

 

[Llumys]

You may now post!

Bump.

 

[smashbot226]

Well, I wouldn't cal Wario's symbol the Wario Ware symbol. I'd like to see some Waluigi for some epic 4 on 4 matches. As for the Kirby world...

Please add Adeline. She rulez and could kick Dedede's arse anyday!

I agree with you on:

Bowser Jr: Awesome capabilities and I can just imagine his FS: Copycat!

Ganondorf w/ sword: He's had it since Wind Waker, people. Give him the **** thing.

Daisy, Dr. Mario, and Toad: I have no idea who started the thread for Toad, but I agree these chars have almost zero chances of making it (back).

Vaati: He'd be good, but I'd rather Zant or Skull Kid be there. Otherwise...

Lucario: Is teh bomb. Blazkien don't have scrap on him!

Pichu: Hope he dies within the confines of Smash Hell.

Kamek: He's tight. He is the Ice-T of Koopas.

Wolf and Krystal: Rulez the house. No Falco however...

And finally...

HAHA! Fooled youz! I don't want Blacky in it! Now, here is what I don't like:

Midna: Sure, she was an excellent character in Twilight Princess...

so let's keep it that way. Besides, that hand could be way to cheap.

WW Link: On second thought, he's more of a maybe...

King K. Rool: Sure, DK may not have a villain, but what the hell could he do anyway?

Dark Samus: My biggest pet peeve-

D.S. WOULD BE A SAMUS CLONE!!! DON'T GIVE SAKURAI THE OPPOSITE IDEA!!! Ahem...

Ridley: I love him to death. So why is he here? Well, I DID hear that he MAY be put in as a boss because of his size in recent games.

Falco: His Up-B sucked. That's not why though. He has been an unfavorable partner in MANY Star Fox games. I don't like, anybody I personally know don't llike him... and he'd just be another clone.

I'd prefer Leon the Chameleon. I see originality THERE!

I couldn't say anything about Earthbound...

Sigurd: No man. Should be amore recent char, like Nephenee or Boyd. Wait, I know I'm missing one...

Micaiah: OH! I remember! Stephan, the badass Laguz lover! Hehehehehehe...

The other ones I agree upon.

Ice Climbers: Move over for Pit!

Balloon Fighter: Not too swell...

Takamaru: Who?

Lip: A maybe, actually.

Geno: It's always Geno isn't it? Never Mallow... that freaking show hogging Pinocchio wannabe...

Sonic: A maybe. I just really don't see how he stands out from his friends. At least one companion, then I'd say yes.

 

[Cinder]

Hmmm...you got Lucario...that make me happy Krystal...good idea...honestly, I can't find any major problems with this list...no unrealistic "OMG, Rosie O'Donnell for Brawl (joke, but still, WTF)"...and you gave percentages, nice way to cover yourself (compliment)...it doesn't appear to be biased...best list ever...great first post

One thing, though...you said Doc is an UNPOPULAR clone? I'm not going to get up in arms over it, but I happen to be a Doc main...hearing that really hurts

 

[bluebomber22]

nice list buddy boy

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well your % of a lot of them seems more to your preference than reality

But I can't diss you for having Geno on it...

 

[Llumys]

Thanks, everyone!

Bump.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't think Midna and Wolf Link (Don't know why we need the same character from the same game twice) have as high chance as people think

 

[IllidR]

You put Lucario higher than Olimar, Dedede, and Ridley. I don't think so! And Sigurd over Black Knight? Psht.

 

[Llumys]

Well, it'd be a good replacement for Sheik, considering they're both from only one game. Sheik had a huge role in OoT, and Midna even got her name on the title of TP.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, it'd be a good replacement for Sheik, considering they're both from only one game. Sheik had a huge role in OoT, and Midna even got her name on the title of TP.

That's not good logic and the Shiek debate gives her a lot more than 20% with all the so called evidence...


Also Siguard? And low chance for Dedede?

 

[Llumys]

You put Lucario higher than Olimar, Dedede, and Ridley. I don't think so! And Sigurd over Black Knight? Psht.

Well, Kirby's franchise isn't that big, it already has two characters. Ridley... Ridley... Ridley... All I got to say about him. And about Olimar, his size is a huge factor.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, Kirby's franchise isn't that big, it already has two characters. Ridley... Ridley... Ridley... All I got to say about him. And about Olimar, his size is a huge factor.

What about the fact Dedede got the most mentions on Sakurai's poll and the fact Sakurai is the one who made Dedede?

 

[Cinder]

You put Lucario higher than Olimar, Dedede, and Ridley. I don't think so! And Sigurd over Black Knight? Psht.

I agree with Black Knight>Sigurd, but Lucario>EVERYONE in my mind I know, fanboyism at its peak...but I'm a fanboy, and proud of it

Still, you're entiltled to your opinion...and you didn't say Lucario doesn't deserve to be in at all...I'm content with that...

 

[Llumys]

That's not good logic and the Shiek debate gives her a lot more than 20% with all the so called evidence...


Also Siguard? And low chance for Dedede?

Well, this is all my opinion. Sheik would be out of place with all the Twilight Princess designs, in my opinion. But yeah, rumor is that character models have already been made for her, so she should have higher, I'll edit that in a few minutes.

For Dedede having low chances is because the small franchise already has two characters.

I don't know about Sigurd, really. I'm about to edit the first post.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, this is all my opinion. Sheik would be out of place with all the Twilight Princess designs, in my opinion. But yeah, rumor is that character models have already been made for her, so she should have higher, I'll edit that in a few minutes.

For Dedede having low chances is because the small franchise already has two characters.

I don't know about Sigurd, really. I'm about to edit the first post.

Well, I repeat

What about the fact Dedede got the most mentions on Sakurai's poll and the fact Sakurai is the one who made Dedede?

 

[Llumys]

Well, I've just changed a lot.

 

[Llumys]

Well, if Sakurai made Dedede, his changes just raised a crap load. Let me add some percentage.

 

[IllidR]

Well, Kirby's franchise isn't that big, it already has two characters. Ridley... Ridley... Ridley... All I got to say about him. And about Olimar, his size is a huge factor.

Dedede is the most requested character on the list. I see you understand Ridley quite well. And as for Olimar his size is not a factor, there is such a thing as scaling. Kirby is really about a couple inches tall but he was made bigger to fit the game. Olimar could do the same, just because he's smaller than a battery doesn't mean anything.

 

[Llumys]

Dedede is the most requested character on the list. I see you understand Ridley quite well. And as for Olimar his size is not a factor, there is such a thing as scaling. Kirby is really about a couple inches tall but he was made bigger to fit the game. Olimar could do the same, just because he's smaller than a battery doesn't mean anything.

Yes, he could.

His moveset... I still don't really understand how it would work, yet.

 

[IllidR]

Yes, he could.

His moveset... I still don't really understand how it would work, yet.

Check page 34 of the Olimar thread. Vali posted a great one, in depth. You'll understand completely. (I'm 90% sure it's that page.)

 

[Ukn0wn1]

I have to question though, why wasn't Skull Kid included in the Zelda list?

Do you think he has a 0% chance?

Personally, I think Skull Kid has a greater chance of being in Brawl than either cel shaded Link or Young Link, but probably less than someone like Midna, due to the "Twilight Priority."

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I have to question though, why wasn't Skull Kid included in the Zelda list?

Do you think he has a 0% chance?

Personally, I think Skull Kid has a greater chance of being in Brawl than either cel shaded Link or Young Link, but probably less than someone like Midna, due to the "Twilight Priority."

He HAS a 0% unless MM Young Link comes back...which basically is a 0% chance...

 

[Ukn0wn1]

Well, if they were going to add a 4th character to the Zelda series, the most logical is Skull Kid.

Think about it, Midna would simply be out of place because there are the 3 Tri-force characters in their Twilight forms, while Midna is simply just "there" for no other reason. If they were to add a Zelda character, it would be one that is a retro zelda character (non-twilight), such as Skull Kid or young link as you suggest. However I don't believe there will be any clones in this game, and young link qualifies as such. Plus, Skull Kid has not only been a re-occuring character in the Zelda series, but he was one of the main characters as the antagonist in Majora's Mask.

Does this all not seem logical?


By the way, the roster looks great so far, except for this one glaring mistake. >_>

Nice work, though.

 

[Circus]

Well, if they were going to add a 4th character to the Zelda series, the most logical is Skull Kid.

Think about it, Midna would simply be out of place because there are the 3 Tri-force characters in their Twilight forms, while Midna is simply just "there" for no other reason. If they were to add a Zelda character, it would be one that is a retro zelda character (non-twilight), such as Skull Kid or young link as you suggest. However I don't believe there will be any clones in this game, and young link qualifies as such. Plus, Skull Kid has not only been a re-occuring character in the Zelda series, but he was one of the main characters as the antagonist in Majora's Mask.

Does this all not seem logical?

There's some logic to it, but. . . there's just as much logic there as there is for several other characters.

You could say Tingle has better chances because he has his own game. You could say Midna has better chances due to "Twilight Princess piority", as you mentioned. You could say Zant has better chances for the same reason. You could say Young Link has better chances because he's the "true Link", has been in Smash before, and does have potential for a unique moveset (with all those gadgets Link has, it really would be pretty easy).

There's some kind of logic for many character choices. But the only kind of logic that matters is the kind that Sakurai uses, which very well may not be the kind you use. The truth is that there is no hint at Skull Kid whatsoever, so there's no real reason to think he's a more "logical" choice than anyone else.

 

[Llumys]

I don't know about skull kid. A flute moveset?

Bump.

 

[Ukn0wn1]

I don't know about skull kid. A flute moveset?

Bump.

Oh no. . . no no.

Refer to the Skull Kid thread for more information. I'll end my argument here and leave you to decide.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=71997&page=23

 

[smashbot226]

Hmm...

Ganondorf with Sword> Zant> Vaati> Skull Kid

That is IMO.

 

[Reyairia]

Eh, there are a few characters I disagree with on what chances they have;

Waluigi - Waluigi is probably closer to 5% unless he's an alternate costume to Wario. He really has no importance in the Mario franchise and hasn't even appeared in the Warioware games. When he appears in an actual game with his own unique character self maybe his chances will be higher in a future smash game. For now, the only way I can see him getting in is out of popularity alone.

Bowser Jr. - Probably less at 40 or 50%, I think that Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser are enough to represent the Mario franchise, especially since they were THE characters in super paper mario and THE characters of the mario franchise. I don't see many more characters getting in, if anyone it would probably be Toad and he's practically been deconfirmed. However, I still think Bowser Jr. has a high chance if they open a 5th Mario character slot.

Shiek - I think Shiek's character returning is at 35%, and not because she's overpowered, but because she doesn't hold much meaning there. If Sakurai really intends on improving the tier system (which would be, in my opinion, completely eradicating it) Shiek isn't really needed for Zelda as she'd be fine without the transformation. Seeing how Shiek is/was still Zelda, and the fact that Shiek is a thing of the past, I highly doubt she'd get her own character slot.

Tingle - Tingle is, even if a lot of people deny it, highly likely in Brawl. He's reocurring, has his own games and has earned his own franchise, and is the most recognized Zelda character after the Triforce three. If there is a 5th character slot for LoZ (or 4th if Young Link ends up scrapped entirely), it's definately Tingle's. Heck, he doesn't even need to depend on if Young Link/WW Link makes it or not, as he can get in purely as a representative of his own series. I say Tingle is at 60%-70%.

Midna (with or without Wolf Link)- I think Midna's chances are lower, at 35%. Yes, she is from the current most successful LoZ game, but I think it depends whether Tingle gets in or not because I think she's next after him. If Tingle gets in as a LoZ character, Midna's chances are much lower, but if Tingle gets in as a representative from his own game then Midna's chances are much, much higher.

Vaati - As much as I like Vaati and I think he'd be awesome in Brawl, I think you overestimate him. Vaati has only appeared in 3 games, and only one is recognizeable. Plus I think the only reason Vaati is even around and was invented was so that Ganondorf didn't become cheap as a villain. Vaati's chances are probably closer to 10%-15%

Lucario - I can't say much about Lucario because I haven't watched his so called movie (nor do I really want to), but I think you overestimate his chances. Even with a movie, I don't recall Lucario being the legendary pokemon like Mewtwo, and, correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't watched the pokemon series in years, he isn't a reocurring character in the cartoon like Jigglypuff was. I still think Lucario's chances are high, but I think they're closer to 50%-60%

Geno - If Geno gets into Brawl, it is out of popularity alone. I don't recognize him, which could easily be refutted - if Geno was the star of his own game but he's not. Unfortunately, yes, Geno is important in the game he appeared in but he is neither reocurring, nor recognizeable, nor can he be a representative of the Mario series. However, Geno is highly requested, but as I said before, if Geno gets in it's only cause of his popularity. I'm going with 25%.

 

[Mysteryfox1]

jeah right 6 fire emblem characters a little to much if you ask me

 

[Llumys]

jeah right 6 fire emblem characters a little to much if you ask me

There won't be six characters.


It's their chances of getting in.

This isn't a character list.

 

[Llumys]

I've added a few characters like Skull Kid to my list.

 

[freeman123]

How can you say that any character that hasn't already been confirmed has a 100% chance of returning?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

People that only believe solid facts annoy me


It's like limiting their minds...


You cannot truly understand existance if you only limit yourself to what has been confirmed and discovered.

 

[Llumys]

People that only believe solid facts annoy me


It's like limiting their minds...


You cannot truly understand existance if you only limit yourself to what has been confirmed and discovered.

I agree completely.

 

[Llumys]

Well, I think my first topic is going pretty well.

Bump.

 

[Cinder]

Well, I think my first topic is going pretty well.

Bump.

It is going pretty well, I think...hey, anyone who gives Lucario such a good chance makes me happy, though I'm still upset about Doc...meh...I know he ain't comin' back (still, an UNPOPULAR clone? Was that necessary? You act like no one uses him...give the Doc a little love, man)

I will miss Doc, and I hope they do alt costumes, so Doc can return as a Mario alt...

 

[Llumys]

Well, I asked a couple Smashers that I know in real life, and well, they put him in their least used top 10...

Anyway, Lucario is kickass.

And I don't know if alternate costumes will even make it into the game.

 

[IllidR]

I like that you raised Black Knight's percentage... this pleases me. However, you really need to increase Captain Olimar and decrease the Star Fox characters' percent. Captain Olimar is pretty much assured to be in, he should be at 95%. And the fact you gave Falco, clone we may or may not see again, Wolf, and Krystal all about 90% seems pretty fan-based stats.

 

[Llumys]

You're right, actually.

I'll go change that.