Multishining/ Jumping out of Shine Questions

[DeadLastClown]

I've noticed that the quickest way to jump out of a shine is by quickly pressing up after shining (down B), however it is hard for me to do this consistently. I am wondering if you can jump out of shield just as fast with X which is more comfortable for me which would greatly improve my gameplay instead of co-oping with pressing up.

It would really help my double shining and wave shining in general a lot more also.

 

[DeadLastClown]

Any tips other shining or approaching tips would really be appreciated.

 

[ThatGuy]

I don't know the exact comparitive logistics of maximum hypothetical thumb speed to maximum hypothetical velocity of the control stick passing through the required vertices, so I can't give you an exact answer to that question.

What I can say is that yes, with enough practice, and barring any physical disabilities you may have, you can move your thumb fast enough from B to X/Y (and vice versa) to get the job done (multishines, Fox's SHDL, etc). The fact that people already do play like this is proof.

 

[Warhawk]

I've tried learning to doubleshine with the control stick and it just makes it more awkward it seems than using y. The only time I think I use the control stick to jump is for low ledge hop double lasers.

 

[Bones0]

Learn to use Y. Makes life easy later on.

 

[Squirt]

Learn to use Y. Makes life easy later on.

I agree, I just started practicing double shines (I use Y for everything). In just a couple hours of training I am starting to get double shines out on shield about 50% of the time.

Pressing up is to risky you could endup high jumping, instead rely on your muscle memory of how to shorthop with your right hand, esp with Y.

 

[Naughty Pixel]

I used X for most things but deff can't use it with multi shines, I'm just not that fast you just gotta rock your thumb back and forth from b to y
left side of thumb hits b > right side of thumb hits y > left b > right y > repeat

 

[Bones0]

You also can't use X for laser related stuff (LHDL with Falco, SHDL with Fox) because pressing A as you slide your thumb across will aerial.

 

[Naughty Pixel]

You also can't use X for laser related stuff (LHDL with Falco, SHDL with Fox) because pressing A as you slide your thumb across will aerial.

Yeah i use Y for that as well but the threshold for hitting b is much larger for lhdl than for multi shines.

Time to see if i can personally lhdl with x

 

[Bones0]

Not sure why you would want to, but go for it. lol I just can't imagine anyone is capable of consistently going from X to B with their thumb in 1 frame without hitting A.

 

[Beat!]

You also can't use X for laser related stuff (LHDL with Falco

Yes you can (I usually use the control stick for that, though).

, SHDL with Fox)

Yes you can.

 

[Bones0]

I guess I shouldn't have said "can't," but it certainly makes it unnecessarily difficult. My point about hitting B a frame after X still stands.

 

[DeadLastClown]

AAWWWW!!! I hate using Y instead of X, I feel like I have no control and after Smashing for 6 years using X it is going to be really annoying switching over.

 

[pkmaximum]

When I first started playing this game a while back for fun, I used "X" instead of "Y" to jump. Later on I learned the benefit of just switching to "Y." while there are players im sure who will have no problem disagreeing with me, I think as a Falco main, getting to "B" & "A" as well as the C-Stick, is quicker and easier when going from "Y."

One last thing, I use the analog stick for double-shine and shine->bair, and I can say in 98% consistent with this after a little warming up. Not doing a certain movement because of risk of messing up seems pointless. For example, I could argue on your terms that wave landing is to risky because you could end up accidentally air dodging instead. There will always be a risk with certain tech-skill, don't let that stop you from doing it, practice and become consistent to reduce risk.

 

[Wenbobular]

You could just learn how to doubleshine with the control stick if you don't want to switch to Y