Request melee: the 2D fighting game idea pitch

[slowbruh]

hey smashboards

so i was thinking of a new melee mod that makes melee feel like a more traditional fighting game (aka street fighter) so maybe this could be a reality if there are some good modders. anyway here are my idea's

Spoiler: general game mechanics

- instead of the usual direction and a press of the A or B button you now use different attacks for the A B X Y buttons
- no rolling
- No grabs
- you can only jump witch the stick upwards
- greatly reduced knockback and a bit more hitstun
- special moves differ between characters and can be activated by inputs (if modding this doesn't work then mapping it to the c stick is an option to)
- the percent is still existant but it works lke brawl's stamina mode where you lose when your percent is 0
- the stages are all the same with no platforms only the background changes and the stage is just a flat vertical space (for this idea maybe stretching final destination or dreamland or something like the omega stages in SD remix
- airdodging is replaced with shielding in the air
- shieldstun is reduced and more shield knockback
-on main menu when you press start you immediatly boot to stamina mode

some character idea's

Spoiler: Captain Falcon and Ganondorf

A: first hit jab can follow up into it self
B: side tilt
X: up tillt
Y: forward smash
A (aireal): first hit of N air
B (aireal): D air
X (aireal): F air
Y (aireal): Up air
any button: raptor boost
any button: falcon kick/warlock punch (to make ganondorf and Falcon more diverse apart from their speed and power)
any button: falcon dive but it acts more like a shuriuken (ganon has a command grab falcon doesn’t his move is more like aand high risk high reward shuriuken)

Spoiler: Pikachu and Pichu

A: jab
B: F tilt
X: D tilt
Y: Up tilt
A (aireal): Up air (can combo into itself)
B (aireal): F air
X (aireal): B air
Y (aireal): N air
any button: thunder jolt
any button: skull bash (it is an uncharged skull bash high risk high reward)
any button: thunder (it comes out quicker and is less powerfull usefull to catch opponements trying to attack from above)

(Note pichu does no longer take damage while using electrick type moves)

Spoiler: Donkey Kong

A: First hit of jab
B: Neutural B (an uncharged neutural b)
X: side tilt
Y: up tilt
A (aireal):
B (aireal):
X (aireal):
Y (aireal)
any button: Spinning kong (comes out faster and can't be used in the air)
any button: Headbutt
any button: spinning kong (this one is the aireal version it has a much shorter horizontal distance and it rises up it also is more powerfull has a lot of endlag)

Spoiler: Jigglypuff

Mechanics: jigglypuff is a lightweight character, it now has 3 aireal jumps to make it not annoying
A: jab
B: down tilt
X: side smash
Y: down smash
A (aerial): N air
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): U air
Y (aerial): D air
any button: Pound. Except it hits with the force of a Shoryuken
any button: Sing (this move is now a bit faster to make it more viable)
any button: Rest it Now heals the user amoderate amount and doesn't inflict damage.
(This character was suggested by ryuu seika)

Spoiler: Kirby

A: side tilt
B: side smash
X: down smash
Y: up smash
A (aerial): N air, only the hitbox actually covers his feet.
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): U air
Y (aerial): D air
any button: Fireball.
any button: Inhale (or copied move).
any button: Final Cutter.
(This character was suggested by ryuu seika)

if anyone is interested in this idea feel free to comment what you would like to see and maybe even help modding that would really be a dream come true

Spoiler: Update

i am already trying to make the mod but i have not a lot of experience with codes for now i configure my controller buttons diffrent also i think that input specials do not work i guess so there is a chance that the specials will be mapped to the C stick, if anyone wants to help me feel free to message

Spoiler: Codes i need

•disable rolling
•disable airdodge and rolling
•remapping buttons IN game
•on select screen booting straight to stamina mode
•air shielding
•disabeling Player 3 and 4
•incresing hitstun and knockback

 

[oscat]

Make B aerial dair instead of second hit nair for falcon and ganon imo

 

[ryuu seika]

What's the plan regarding shield shrinkage? Why no throws?

Also, I get why Pichu shouldn't self harm in this version as it'd be pretty killer with a fixed HP limit but he can't just have complete freedom. It's his biggest defining character trait.

If shield shrink is a thing, perhaps he could automatically go into a few frames of shield and take shield damage instead? This might actually be advantageous in some cases due to it cutting end lag so the choice of whether or not to let yourself get hit by lightning would be an interesting tradeoff between defence and speed.
Consider also using a charged or semi-charged Skull Bash to highlight the differences between Pikachu and Pichu. Pichu's overcharges to go further and deal more damage but just the greater movement would be cool here.

Oh and character ideas:

Spoiler: Yoshi

A: side tilt
B: side smash
X: up tilt
Y: down smash
A (aerial): D air
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): B air
Y (aerial): Down Special, only slower.
any button: Egg Roll. Perhaps, given the lack of drops to add danger to the move, it could just go straight across the whole stage (no control) and burst on the far wall, popping Yoshi into a helpless fall? Makes it better at close or mid range, IDK. Not sure on this idea.
any button: Egg Toss. Has a single preset arc.
any button: Grab to instant D-Throw. I know it's weird but it's the most logical way to implement his tongue.

Spoiler: Jigglypuff

A: jab
B: down tilt
X: side smash
Y: down smash
A (aerial): N air
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): U air
Y (aerial): D air
any button: Pound. Except it hits with the force of a Shoryuken
any button: Sing.
any button: Rest. Now heals the user a moderate amount and doesn't inflict damage. I know that's an annoying tactic but it's super punishable now.

 

[slowbruh]

What's the plan regarding shield shrinkage? Why no throws?

Also, I get why Pichu shouldn't self harm in this version as it'd be pretty killer with a fixed HP limit but he can't just have complete freedom. It's his biggest defining character trait.

If shield shrink is a thing, perhaps he could automatically go into a few frames of shield and take shield damage instead? This might actually be advantageous in some cases due to it cutting end lag so the choice of whether or not to let yourself get hit by lightning would be an interesting tradeoff between defence and speed.
Consider also using a charged or semi-charged Skull Bash to highlight the differences between Pikachu and Pichu. Pichu's overcharges to go further and deal more damage but just the greater movement would be cool here.

Oh and character ideas:

Spoiler: Yoshi

A: side tilt
B: side smash
X: up tilt
Y: down smash
A (aerial): D air
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): B air
Y (aerial): Down Special, only slower.
any button: Egg Roll. Perhaps, given the lack of drops to add danger to the move, it could just go straight across the whole stage (no control) and burst on the far wall, popping Yoshi into a helpless fall? Makes it better at close or mid range, IDK. Not sure on this idea.
any button: Egg Toss. Has a single preset arc.
any button: Grab to instant D-Throw. I know it's weird but it's the most logical way to implement his tongue.

Spoiler: Jigglypuff

A: jab
B: down tilt
X: side smash
Y: down smash
A (aerial): N air
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): U air
Y (aerial): D air
any button: Pound. Except it hits with the force of a Shoryuken
any button: Sing.
any button: Rest. Now heals the user a moderate amount and doesn't inflict damage. I know that's an annoying tactic but it's super punishable now.

I use no throws because i don’t want any exploidable things to happen smash is very unique with being able to throw in 4 diffrent directions

You’re able to shieldbreak

Regarding pichu: i plan on making pikachu an all round character and pichu a lightweight this makes it so that pichu stands out form pikachu that her moves come out faster but takes more damage

Also i implemented jigglypuff into the main post thanks for your feedback

 

[oscat]

You should keep throws, just remove chain grabbing

 

[ryuu seika]

Two more ideas:

Spoiler: Ice Climbers

So desyncing these two would be a big part of their gameplay, one way or another, to make the most of them being two characters but their specials will all be joint attacks that warp Nana back to join the player character to emphasise their cooperation.
A: side tilt
B: side smash
X: down tilt
Y: up smash
A (aerial): N air
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): U air
Y (aerial): D air
any button: Ice Shot. Only, now that they swing together, this spawns a freezie.
any button: Squall Hammer. The pair hammer spin back to back.
any button: Blizzard. Also done back to hit both sides but short range and no protection from above.

Spoiler: Kirby

A: side tilt
B: side smash
X: down smash
Y: up smash
A (aerial): N air, only the hitbox actually covers his feet.
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): U air
Y (aerial): D air
any button: Fireball.
any button: Inhale (or copied move).
any button: Final Cutter.

 

[slowbruh]

Two more ideas:

Spoiler: Ice Climbers

So desyncing these two would be a big part of their gameplay, one way or another, to make the most of them being two characters but their specials will all be joint attacks that warp Nana back to join the player character to emphasise their cooperation.
A: side tilt
B: side smash
X: down tilt
Y: up smash
A (aerial): N air
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): U air
Y (aerial): D air
any button: Ice Shot. Only, now that they swing together, this spawns a freezie.
any button: Squall Hammer. The pair hammer spin back to back.
any button: Blizzard. Also done back to hit both sides but short range and no protection from above.

Spoiler: Kirby

A: side tilt
B: side smash
X: down smash
Y: up smash
A (aerial): N air, only the hitbox actually covers his feet.
B (aerial): F air
X (aerial): U air
Y (aerial): D air
any button: Fireball.
any button: Inhale (or copied move).
any button: Final Cutter.

yeah idk about the ice climbers i think it would be a bit OP i mean nana can't be hurt so you can only do damage to popo with also the fact that nana can't die makes this character in my opninion kinda overpowered

 

[ryuu seika]

I see what you mean but it would be a shame to lose them. I'll think on it.

 

[Mega Fan]

I might start working on making this a reality, but I'll do the best I can with the free time that I have. To make sure that blastzones aren't an issue, and given that melee stage modding isn't the best right now, I decided that the best contenders for legal stages are Brinstar Escape Shaft, G&W Target Test, and All Star Rest Area

Edit: Note that it won't be perfectly the same as how you wanted but I feel like the way I did it could work well too. I couldn't reassign buttons because modding isn't at that level yet to my knowledge. I have the ability to take out most moves/actions (including rolls and throws). I'll get to working on the movesets pretty soon.