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me vs The Great Marth

The Knee

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Dec 5, 2005
Messages
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Uh yeah, heres one of my worst matchups and i'd really like to get some advice on it, this is also one of the best matchups for the person im playing, so i'd like to know what i can do to get better at this.

btw for those who don't know this is a marth ditto

and before you post, i realized that i shffled into some fsmashes and i didn't DI once whenever he was doing fthrow chains, so just tell me whatever else i did.

so yeah constructive criticism etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYXe1bgmU8I
 

oddgloat

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 29, 2005
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Waukesha, WI
I've had success by F-throw F-smashing by abusing grab-hits instead of throwing right away. After doing that they become more concerned with breaking the grab rather than DIing, or they dont DI as effectively because of it. Also, instead of tech punishing with another F-throw, you would WD into and F-smash. Probably avoid using dashing F-tilt also.
 

JBM falcon08

Smash Master
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Ok, I'm going to guess you are Riot. not to bad of a match, although it just seemed like a really slow marth ditto, nothing against the both of you but most marth dittos pace of game are very fast, due to the enormous amounts of combos marth can pull against himself. The both of you need to learn the proper time on rolling onto the stage, its very important as you will see on great marth's second stock he held on to long and lost his invincibility frames and was killed by the Dolphin slash due to not rolling or using his invincibility frames usefully. The both of you should try not to overspam the F-throws, go for a U-throw, he knows how to properly DI away from the tipper(great marth knows) and you often got tipped throughout the match. Finally, you should often try to get a B-air in while edgeguarding preventing his chances of recovering.
 

G@BE

Smash Lord
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Magnolia, Tx
Then agian it all comes down to he is The Great Marth



he is the best ;p just kidding...
 

McRustyJr

Smash Lord
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Jan 26, 2006
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Midway City, CA
The Great Marth sounds a little arrogant, just for that, no advice for u! but seriously, u shouldnt usmash or dsmash, stick to fsmash. but dont do it as much as u do. and on ur edgehog... press l or r so he dont hit u wen he recovers.
 

Volasko

Smash Ace
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Oct 12, 2005
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Oakville, Ontario
Hmm well good matches, there really wasnt any "major" technical flaws in your game. Though I do agree with what was said as in is seemed slow. I think both marths could try to integrate some faster SHFFLs and SH double f-airs into your game (as f-air strings pwn marth in dittos). This would maybe help quicken the pace and I believe that a faster pace helps break ur opponents mindgames which can lead into DDed techgrabbing. These matches I have a hard time criticing on a general level so Ill offer some specific tips from the match, situations where I felt another choice would of been better.

0:27 - green marth should of done a f-b sooner, could of easily made it back. Remember its always better to wait until you get some towards stage momentum before doing ur first f-b.

0:37 - green marth missed a perfect chance for a ledgedropped b-air for the KO. That move purely owns marth and if properly executed can lead to ledgehogs at super low life. And the black marth missed a chance for edgehog by waiting too long to hit the shoulder button.

0:53 - after ur FFed Fair I believe a f-smash would of tipper KOed the green marth, instead u missed with a f-tilt.

1:16 - black marth did a nice f-b to kill a potential Ken combo, but you didnt follow up with anything. A simple f-air after teh f-b lag could of started ur own string of f-airs.

1:45 - the black marth DJ's right after a f-throw when instead should of just continued to the ledge and got some invincibility frames. The outcome, he jumped right into an f-smash and was KOed.

2:16 - the black marth shoudl of up-b sooner after the f-b as to prevent being edgehogged.

ok well you get the picture. Good match and a good watch. I think some quicker L-cancels would help as I saw alot of useless shields come up(held the shoulder button too long) so that would help hasten ur marths. Also marth airials are pretty easy to Sheild grab and I saw a few missed chances. Ok that it, haha when I get started.................
 

HDL

I like pork chops.
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Don’t tell them not to use up and down smash. Those are very tricky and useful moves given the right situation, and most of the time when you land them good it will kill a little early because people do not expect you to kill vertically with Marth (they only expect up tilt). Just don’t use them too much. The right opportunities for them don’t come often.

You guys need to learn how to DI. You also should stop spamming forward smash so much. Once that move gets blocked it is too easy for someone to wavedash out of shield and punish. You guys need to mixup your attacks more. There’s too much forward smash going on. Use down tilt more, jabs, and more dancing blade mixups. Use aerial and dash dance crossups. That is to say you should go past someone sometimes while doing an aerial and land behind them. You can also dash right past them and pivot a forward smash, grab, or dancing blade setup. Try using up tilt some more, too.

There were some nice counter attempts, but you need to confirm it more. What I mean is that you shouldn’t always use it when you think the opponent is going to attack, but sometimes when you already see them attacking. In 1:45 the Marth that was forward smashed could have used it. Forward smash gives you plenty of time to see it coming before actually hitting you, so that could have been an easy confirmed counter (especially since you know he forward threw you at the ledge and would most likely go for the forward smash). You guys need to space your aerials more, too. You put yourselves in shieldgrab range way too often. A better player would easily take advantage of that.

Other than that, nice match. Speed isn’t everything. Single well-placed moves are often times better than 20 attacks going at mach speed. Just as long as you’re going fast enough, that’s all that counts.

Why is peanut butter and vomit listed as search tags for this match?
 

Apocalypse™

Smash Journeyman
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May 21, 2006
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Houston, TX
Good match... bad 48% death. All I know is... I 4 stocked The Great Marth with my Fox !! *He 3 stocked me many times tho... I blame the fact that he used Marth.
 
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