Marth vs Crouch Cancel

[Zack Fair b]

I was wondering how everyone deals with crouch canceling. Mostly when I play against a Shiek and I try to approach with Fair or Nair but I cannot seem to do any real damage. Should i focus more on grabs?

 

[Azureflames]

Grabs > ________

 

[CyberZixx]

Marth may have a sword but he is also a judo master. Grab em.

 

[shairn]

Getting Sheik in the air is a priority in the matchup, so you should be looking for an opportunity to grab to uthrow and start a juggle. Sheik has a difficult time getting back down so use that to your advantage to rack up damage.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Apart from grabs, dair works (sometimes with a momentum jump OoS, but less useful), down-tilt and the CCC depending on situation

 

[DMG]

You're traditional options vs CC are to grab, or to space moves like Dtilt near the very tippy tip so that even if they CC, it's unlikely they can punish. Vs Sheik, jumping is hella bad. Actually, make that vs 90% of chars. Don't jump with Marth

 

[Spy]

I like to think that Marth shouldn't be using his sword so much in neutral, especially not while approaching. Stick to well spaced dtilts and grabs and you won't have as much of an issue with being crouch-cancelled.

 

[Deleted member]

Apart from grabs, dair works (sometimes with a momentum jump OoS, but less useful), down-tilt and the CCC depending on situation

dair is bad don't use it

all of marth's conversions in neutral should be grab, tip dtilt, or waiting better. encouraging your opponent to jump at you still counts as waiting better btw

 

[Chesstiger2612]

It is a pro-forma anti-CC because spikes&meteors can't get CCd in a way that the hitstun is cancelled. It is unlikely that you will come across situations where it is good in neutral.

 

[Deleted member]

hence my advice, it's bad don't use it

 

[ObdurateMARio]

I like to use 2nd hit of cancelled nair vs CC opponents. It usually would smack them out in Melee, IDK about PM

 

[Boomhound]

Grab is the answer.
Also you shouldn't really approach as Marth, just control space with dash-dancing with a mix of wave-dashes to avoid being repetitive/obvious. You can then punish whiffs with x or approaches with tilts.

Sheik more or less has the same neutral game, so if you jump in with Nair or Fair she'll most likely use her amazing Nair OOS.

 

[ZeroPixelHitbox]

Grab for sure. Depends on if you're using Marth offensively or defensively though.

 

[Preacher]

You should also never approach someone with a forward air. Neutral air is also a bad approach option. It's one of those things you throw out to make opponents respect your space, and hope they run into it.