Luigi vs. Mangekyo MK

[Ryoko]

Well, theres this one guy i know who uses MK, except his is like, not like other casual everyday MKs, his had Mangekyo.. He saw through every thing i did, how can i beat this MK?

He was the type who is found of his Up special. He would use it like 3 times in a row. and uses Mach nado regularly. And it was weird, if he had sent me upwards into the sky, i would come down airdodging, he would anticipate it and Nair or Fair. And i was to scared to do an aireal, because i know MK's outpriortize Weegeez. He had a good little combo with his grabbing, which he was also very fond of, he would grab, foward throw me, and then short hop and fair. I could'nt hit him before he hit me because the range of MK's fair is good. And it was kinda weird because he knew when i would shield and when i would attack, or shield if i would try to prepare an aireal by short hoping, he would shorthop and Nair. It was hard for me to decide on what to do when he was dashing up to me, his down smash and others come scaringly fast, so yea.

I was beggining to think i'm shielding a bit too much, or i should just shift my game around.
I tihnk it might just be me needing to move my games around a bit.
That's the only thing i hate about maining Luigi, he has to shift his battle style too often, and it's annoying. One second i'm playing in the air against Snake and the other i'm waiting to punish and defend against Ness..

Halp? It was kinda embarressing losing like that, because all of my friends were watching, and now he's getting cocky.

 

[LuigiKing]

OK, I'm here to help, I lost my first tournament to a pretty good MK, but now I'm figuring out how to deal with them fairly easily. Don't get me wrong, MK is still Luigi's hardest matchup by a long shot, simply based on their play styles being so similar. Its just that MK is better at everything Luigi specializes in, air combat.

Here goes.
You need to abuse the fireballs to no end, and I mean this. Don't use them like a projectile, use them like a tilt that happens to have exceptional range. MK will end up approaching you (not like it will be hard for him) in the long run. This is OK, because it is possible to play defensively here. You need to abuse your spot dodges, and follow with Dsmash. This is exactly what MK will do, and trust me, he is SO much better at it than Luigi. Either way, just play it smart, and since you know he will be approaching you, time your spot dodges and make each hit count.

In the air, you cannot ever try and nair through things, because even though Luigi's nair has outstanding priority, MK will most likely get through it with UpB, Uair, Fair... pretty much everything. What you can do is fall with the tornado to mix things up. Don't let him know you are going to air dodge (which you shouldn't do), and don't let him know you'll try and nair through it, it just doesn't work. You should DI away from MK and spam fireballs, since that is about all you can do.

Uair is your friend in this matchup. The Uair will go through MKs Dair and Nair, so if MK is above you make sure to abuse the move. Luigi's Dair can also, if you position yourself right, break the whorenado. Don't count on it though, since it is still pretty tricky.

Killing MK. Its hard to do. Don't ever ever ever ever ever try and gimp him. Use the UpB, which kills at 43%. MK will often try and dash grab or dash attack you directly after you hit the ground from who knows what. Spot dodge, or much much better powershield, then immediately upB. The only way you are going to survive is if you are watching very carefully how the MK is approaching, and placing your UpB where they need to go. Don't get carried away though, if MK is above 80% you will want to use up angled Fsmash, since that is about where it starts to kill.

Bleh..... I know I have more to say on this but its late and I honestly don't feel like typing anymore :D Maybe I'll make a MK matchup guide now that I think about it...

 

[yungunr2]

personally i love when they spam the tornado because its pefect set up imo for a out of shield upB so once the percentage is at 40 or so just camp and wait for that tornado to come, trust me he will learn to spam it less often.

 

[CR4SH]

Yes, you can beat MK with luigi.

You can also win a tournament with captain falcon.

I wouldn't recommend either one.

 

[MasterToshima]

THis is y we have secondaries(and if u're tired of ur current character or u want 2 try something new), now, I suggest seconding a character that is a counter to MK. BUT making MetaKnight strongest character in the game he literally has advantage over everyone. According to a thread on Metaknigh Boards ( http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=179463 ) , these are the characters he has smalles advantage of: Snake(55:45), Falco(55:44), Donkey Kong (55:45) and ofc the character that he has least advantage of: Metaknigh(50:50) . There r more characters not mentioned in the thread but I doubht any of them has advantage over Metaknigh. Oh and one more thing: Stage counterpicking. Not sure what stage could work on Metaknigh but I know Luigi pwns on Brinstar

hope that helped

 

[Ryoko]

What about FJP? Is it useable againt him?

 

[hippiedude92]

It is useable and kills him at 43%, but hes highly risky because you can get punished and be the a turning point of a match as well. You'll have to punish one of his laggy special moves if he lives himself wide open from free falling but most MK pro players won't do that.

 

[CR4SH]

I would stay away from brinstar. The whole "force your opponent into the air" idea is completely counter-intuitive when fighting meta. I live by the "take meta to FD every time, no matter what" philosophy.

However, I wouldn't do that with luigi either lol. I suggest gameandwatch and FD. Its an even matchup with a stage advantage.

 

[ALiAsVee]

FJP is great, but unless you can lang it with pinpoint accuracy, you'll end up getting punished horribly my MK.

 

[LuigiKing]

Did no one read my post... bleh.

 

[hippiedude92]

Did no one read my post... bleh.

I did personally, Ill still keep using Nair. Also did you know that FF bair on the first few frames can break wh0renado? I did it :D

 

[LuigiKing]

FF bair can break whorenado?!? I'm going to test it out, but if it doesn't work and I lose I BLAME YOU HIPPIE. Just saying... and I want to use the nair against MK so bad, it just never works out for me, no matter how creative I get with it. It seems like MKs up B has less start up lag than the nairs cooldown... haha.

 

[ALiAsVee]

I did personally, Ill still keep using Nair. Also did you know that FF bair on the first few frames can break wh0renado? I did it :D

Yeah I can second that. If you fastfall down with a bair against the wh0renado you can break it, since the bair has sex kick type qualities.

Did no one read my post... bleh.

I read your post :3.

 

[hippiedude92]

FF bair can break whorenado?!? I'm going to test it out, but if it doesn't work and I lose I BLAME YOU HIPPIE. Just saying... and I want to use the nair against MK so bad, it just never works out for me, no matter how creative I get with it. It seems like MKs up B has less start up lag than the nairs cooldown... haha.

Iunno really lol. When i was fighting some random MK, it worked but it's probably cause he didn't rise the tornado or the first few frames so I guess iunno try? =/

Usually I power shield the whole thing then run and camp on the platforms.

 

[Ryoko]

OK, I'm here to help, I lost my first tournament to a pretty good MK, but now I'm figuring out how to deal with them fairly easily. Don't get me wrong, MK is still Luigi's hardest matchup by a long shot, simply based on their play styles being so similar. Its just that MK is better at everything Luigi specializes in, air combat.

Here goes.
You need to abuse the fireballs to no end, and I mean this. Don't use them like a projectile, use them like a tilt that happens to have exceptional range. MK will end up approaching you (not like it will be hard for him) in the long run. This is OK, because it is possible to play defensively here. You need to abuse your spot dodges, and follow with Dsmash. This is exactly what MK will do, and trust me, he is SO much better at it than Luigi. Either way, just play it smart, and since you know he will be approaching you, time your spot dodges and make each hit count.

In the air, you cannot ever try and nair through things, because even though Luigi's nair has outstanding priority, MK will most likely get through it with UpB, Uair, Fair... pretty much everything. What you can do is fall with the tornado to mix things up. Don't let him know you are going to air dodge (which you shouldn't do), and don't let him know you'll try and nair through it, it just doesn't work. You should DI away from MK and spam fireballs, since that is about all you can do.

Uair is your friend in this matchup. The Uair will go through MKs Dair and Nair, so if MK is above you make sure to abuse the move. Luigi's Dair can also, if you position yourself right, break the whorenado. Don't count on it though, since it is still pretty tricky.

Killing MK. Its hard to do. Don't ever ever ever ever ever try and gimp him. Use the UpB, which kills at 43%. MK will often try and dash grab or dash attack you directly after you hit the ground from who knows what. Spot dodge, or much much better powershield, then immediately upB. The only way you are going to survive is if you are watching very carefully how the MK is approaching, and placing your UpB where they need to go. Don't get carried away though, if MK is above 80% you will want to use up angled Fsmash, since that is about where it starts to kill.

Bleh..... I know I have more to say on this but its late and I honestly don't feel like typing anymore :D Maybe I'll make a MK matchup guide now that I think about it...

Wow, that helped ALOT. Now it's actually a match, not a kill luigi fun time.
I just had to become defensive. I couldn't be my regular shorthopping combo master luigi against MK, he breaks luigi's combows.

 

[ALiAsVee]

Luigiking has a point with abusing spot dodges. You can use that to advantage with Meta because his moves don't typically stick out long enough to beat the spot dodge. The only way you can mess that up is if you spot dodge a Meta dsmash and you get the timing wrong. UpB OOS is another thing i wouldn't spot dodge since its far saver to shield.