luigi has a (kind of) zap jump?

[darkpheonix]

we all know that lucas has a zap jump, but, does anyone know if luigi's tornado can trigger a zap jump? please, i must know!!!

 

[SparkEd]

...Eh?

If you mean the height he gains using the Tornado, that's not a Zap Jump. You just mash B during the tornado and he gains height depending on how much you mash it.

...Green Missile IIRC might have a pseudo Zap Jump but I may be wrong.

 

[hippiedude92]

Hmms.? Have no effin clue what's a zap jump. Link plzzzz. I just know Luigi has two ways of recovering.
You can mash B on tornado, and second jump after that. Or you can use your secondjump and bash b except this one has crazy vertical height.

 

[SparkEd]

Hmms.? Have no effin clue what's a zap jump. Link plzzzz.

Basically using a momentum based special and a second jump activated in the same frame to achieve height... I've only seen one Zap Jump and that's with Lucas; he gains height as he shoots his PK Fire and gains height for the duration of his PK Fire Anim. Basically a super powered Second Jump. DUnno if it applies with other charas so eh :U

Luigi's isn't like that because even though the Tornado is momentum based, the propelling upwards is determined by button mashing, not animation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q7RqH1Lfu4

 

[hippiedude92]

Eh, not much point imo but meh lol. Preferably his tornado without the second jump, is hard to do it since i think you gotta do it 14 times of pressing it. it's too hard =[ I've found out his tornado can be used as edgeguard or gimping (duno which term is better) tool =D

 

[PK-ow!]

Basically using a momentum based special and a second jump activated in the same frame to achieve height... I've only seen one Zap Jump and that's with Lucas; he gains height as he shoots his PK Fire and gains height for the duration of his PK Fire Anim.

It's only possible with Lucas, if you mean the incredible height is necessary to count. But Ness' PK Jump could be considered another instance of the same physics interaction, since both are caused by the boys' special jump physics.

While every other character double jumps by having a force exerted on them by a phantom platform for an instant (I don't know about frames), Lucas and Ness create forces on their own bodies, multiple times, and with varying strengths.

Ness' double jump creates weak forces at the beginning and then a stronger force at the end, which is why he stays low but then shoots up, particularly noticeable when you do a rising aerial. Lucas' jump has a very strong initial force, and then a pattering of weaker forces at the end, which is why he seems to float at the end of it. Under normal conditions, these last forces actually slow him down.

The zap jump is possible since, for some reason, using a special frame-perfect at the beginning of the jump prevents the other forces from being created. So instead, you fly up with all the force of the first one.
Similarly, Ness can put a PK Fire at the same time as his double jump, but the way his works, it's only a small boost.

The other specials set your momentum to zero, the only reason PK Fire is the one that 'triggers' this.


So what the above means is, if a zap jump is possible with anyone else, it'll be because it's possible with everyone else.

 

[darkpheonix]

thx all for the great advice! i appreciate it. im gettin better with the wigi as to get better all the more. cya!