Luck vs Actions causing consequences.

[3mmanu3lrc]

By accident in the Pool Room I got into this discussion, and I decided to bring it here.
So, it went pretty much like this:

"Luck" What I define for luck... it's the consequences of a desition someone took in the past, reflected in the present.
Luck does not exist.

[Jumpname]consequences[/Jumpname]Often times, we receive the consequences of someone else's decisions, and we are always at the will of Nature. Luck definitely exists.

My response to that...
[Jumpname]purpose[/Jumpname]

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I'd say it's more like being at the right place at the right time.

I'm one of those people who says that everything happens for a purpose.

Personally, I don't believe in what people use to define by luck.

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"Luck" What I define for luck... it's the consequences of a desition someone took in the past, reflected in the present.
Luck does not exist.

You can't reasonably predict all of the consequences a difficult decision will have for you. The unpredictable outcomes are what I call luck. For example, say I live about 1.99 miles from my high school, so I can either take the city bus home or walk. Usually I walk, but today I decide that I'd rather take the bus. If on this same day I decide to do that the bus breaks down and comes an hour later, I would claim this is a result of bad luck. It's certainly possible to predict the bus breaking down if I went to the site and trained to be a mechanic etc..., but it's wholly unreasonable to do so.

But taking the bus is the "desition" you took, if you wouldn't have taken the bus, then you wouldn't have been afected by the bus breaking down, therefore you wouldn't have been a victim of what you call "bad luck"

We are architecs of our own future/destiny.

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But taking the bus is the "desition" you took, if you wouldn't have taken the bus, then you wouldn't have been afected by the bus breaking down, therefore you wouldn't have been a victim of what you call "bad luck"

We are architecs of our own future/destiny.

What about disease and mental illness? What about car accidents, freak accidents, murder, thievery? What about the weather?

As said before, ([Jumpto=consequences]Often times, we receive the consequences of someone else's decisions[/Jumpto]) which is true, because in case of birth illnesses, you see yourself affected for your parents desitions, or go back enough, till you find the match point.

But that's not like having "bad luck" [Jumpto=purpose]as I said before, everything happens for a purpose[/Jumpto], everything has a reason to be, that in some cases, some people would give to it the entity of the several times discused here "God? as a first cause"

You'll certainly find a definition for "luck" if you look at it in a dictionary or the net;
But "luck" is just some term that some people use to give to those uncomprehensible events, that often they doesn't know where the h*** they came from.

 

[Ocean]

the problem is that luck is almost purely speculation, since it's primarily based on the belief of destiny, which isn't something that can be proven or disproved. not to mention that luck itself is just a definition.

As said before, ([Jumpto=consequences]Often times, we receive the consequences of someone else's decisions[/Jumpto]) which is true, because in case of birth illnesses, you see yourself affected for your parents desitions, or go back enough, till you find the match point.

what about weather? weather patterns have been around for longer than humans, so the argument that it's the consequence of someone else's decision doesn't work there.

I'm one of those people who says that everything happens for a purpose.

"Well, I think that's really sad, but everything happens for a reason." - Justin Bieber

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off-topic, but it's spelled decision, not desition.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

what about weather?

I could also ask that, what about weather?
How do we get affected by that?
It affects some people different than others, it's a natural phenomenon which is more related to the planet rather than the humans.

However, that "someone else" there would be what some people have for "God? as a first cause"

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Thanks for that "off-topic" message. And also try avoiding placing your signature in your posts.

 

[1048576]

Jews weren't unlucky, they should have just moved sooner

*OP's stance

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[Kanelol]

Bringing the holocaust into an argument doesn't mean you automatically win.

People like to view their lives as the single focal point for all of existence. While this may be true in the sense that all philosophical observations and pontifications hinge on the idea of a first person, subjective point of view, people fail to recognize what our reality genuinely is.

Your life isn't the end all be all. Your very existence is but one thread in an infinitely complex tapestry, weaving in and out of literally millions of other peoples lives, regardless of intention. To be honest, I feel like the luckiest thing that's ever happened to me is that I'm here, right now, in the only place I could ever be, to watch this glorious seething orgy of human ebullience unfold. And occasionally take part in aforementioned orgy.

Luck and.. for lack of a better term, bad luck, are both real things. Perhaps not in the traditional sense, but when you consider the fact that human beings use the modern societal construct of "luck" to define and categorize the random chance and general entropy of life that is inevitably produced by 7 billion people trying to harmonize on one little blue ball, you begin to see how it's just another term that must be used in an attempt to rationally define our existence.

Not to say we don't have a certain amount of control over our own reality. The concept of autonomy is one that oft goes unappreciated, but it really is sort of important. People lose sight of the fact that they can do literally whatever they want. However, even being able to completely control your own actions isn't enough to give you control over the rest of existence. Depending on how resilient and stubborn a person is, there's a certain balance of random entropy and legitimate cause and effect (brought on by personal decisions) that shapes a persons life.