Lucas Tech : "F"air Dodging

[SS | Connor]

so basically when Lucas does his Fair well landing He does his Fair Ground Lag animation (when he does short hop fair he has lag when he hits the ground) his Hurtbox is actually small so he can duck under some projectiles that he can't absorb, or dunk under. Here's a link to my video on "F"air Dodging- http://youtu.be/_5SbyQd2wIs

 

[MrWhYYZ]

Fun fact, you can use this as well to crouch underneath throws. I've dodged Pikachus throw that way. And U-air does it as well.

 

[frozentreasure]

A similar effect occurs when you release PK Freeze; Lucas hops off the ground ever-so-slightly and can avoid some attacks closer to the ground.

 

[JosePollo]

Lmao does this literally put him lower than his crouch? Can anyone confirm? I'm at work right now.

 

[MrWhYYZ]

Lmao does this literally put him lower than his crouch? Can anyone confirm? I'm at work right now.

Yes, it does. Like I said eariler in the thread, I've "crouched" under Pikachu's throw a couple time when he tried to punish my whiffed F-air.

 

[JosePollo]

Yes, it does. Like I said eariler in the thread, I've "crouched" under Pikachu's throw a couple time when he tried to punish my whiffed F-air.

This is... actually really great to know. Sounds like it could work in the Falcon matchup what with him being tall, but I know his dash attack and dash grab both sweep the floor, so I don't know how useful

 

[Piipp]

Fun fact, you can use this as well to crouch underneath throws. I've dodged Pikachus throw that way. And U-air does it as well.

So I'm pretty sure that U-air would be more optimal since it ACs better and is like 1 or 2 frames faster.

Unless, of course, the "F-air dodge" makes him go lower. Then I'd assume that F-air would be more optimal.

 

[frozentreasure]

If you get the autocancel, then you land normally, though. Which means Lucas won't go into the landing animation, which is what is actually reducing the hurtbox, unless I'm missing something.

 

[JosePollo]

So I'm pretty sure that U-air would be more optimal since it ACs better and is like 1 or 2 frames faster.

Unless, of course, the "F-air dodge" makes him go lower. Then I'd assume that F-air would be more optimal.

Fair and up air are both 12 frames of landing lag as of 1.0.1.

 

[Deleted member]

Didn't even know this thread existed lol
I'm actually working on a video of this.

Also, JosePollo which would you prefer...Fair or Uair?!
Uair comes out frame 7 but both have the same amount of landing lag...

 

[Lavani]

Z-axis shenanigans at their finest, lol. This is amusing.

Fair landing loses a ton of effectiveness on 2D stages like Duck Hunt, though it's still slightly lower than Lucas' crouch (Samus super missile will phantom hit). On 3D stages most of his body's in the fore/background and you pretty much only have to worry about things that will sweep his legs.

Uair has a lower stance, but doesn't get really low until 5 frames into the animation. Probably the better option on 2D stages regardless.

SideB also works for this and keeps Lucas low longer, both in terms of landing lag and how long he's crouched, but doesn't go as low/"sideways" as fair/uair.

 

[JosePollo]

Didn't even know this thread existed lol
I'm actually working on a video of this.

Also, JosePollo which would you prefer...Fair or Uair?!
Uair comes out frame 7 but both have the same amount of landing lag...

F-air's got the better hitbox, so if there's any non-nair aerial I'd do while landing it'd be f-air unless the opponent was above me.