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Lucario Help

Zertuk

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I always seem to have problems against Lucario as Zamus, i can beat the same person playing Lucario as other characters but not Zamus, he always seems to destroy me with his dair which means no uair pretty much. Any tips would be appreciated.
 

fkacyan

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I always seem to have problems against Lucario as Zamus, i can beat the same person playing Lucario as other characters but not Zamus, he always seems to destroy me with his dair which means no uair pretty much. Any tips would be appreciated.
If he spams his dair, just upB > dsmash > fsmash him.

It'll teach him.
 

ph00tbag

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If he spams his dair, just upB > dsmash > fsmash him.

It'll teach him.
Sometimes his dair goes through UpB. I play a Lucario regularly, so I've seen it happen a lot.

Of course, the upside to this is that dair slows his descent, which gives you more time to work up a counterattack.

The hardest issue of Lucario is his hitboxes. They don't hit anywhere near where they're supposed to. Naturally, his Fsmash has a huge hitboxes, but you'll see some strange effects from all of his attacks.

The most important point is to use Plasma Whip and Plasma Wire to keep him out of range, and fire a lot of Paralyzer rounds to try to create an opening. You can combo him pretty well up to high percents.

Then, the real trouble starts. Lucario has been, for me, very difficult to kill. Your primary concern will be getting off kill moves without setting yourself for punishment, because at high percent, Lucario will punish you hard. Avoid Flip Jump as a kill move, because it leaves you wide open, and try to keep it to bair and uair. If you can get off a lucky Plasma Whip or two, that's a good idea as well. Note, however, that at high percentages, dthrow -> uair does not work, so you'll have to find another way.
 

JoeTang

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My suggestion is to wait for his Momentum Cancel from his Down Air, and throw an Up B or Up Smash to intercept. If he's smart, he'll try most of his kills with Down Air, Forward Tilts, or Throws and Edge Guards with Aura Sphere. His smashes are very slow, and you'll be able to punish them with your own Forward B. Maybe even a Down Smash before hand. Aerial game means he will likely have a Priority and Range advantage. Take him from the ground with your Up B's and Up Smashes, or approach from the side when he misses Down Airs with Forward, Up, or Back Airs. Aerial Forward B's can be decent too. Up Tilt him into the air, and wait for him to come back down with a Down Air for an opening, or intercept with Up Aerials. It's a fairly common reaction to being juggled to Down Air as soon as possible. I'd say Paralyzer rounds have too short distance and lag to be of much use in this fight.
 

templar rage

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Then, the real trouble starts. Lucario has been, for me, very difficult to kill. Your primary concern will be getting off kill moves without setting yourself for punishment, because at high percent, Lucario will punish you hard.

Well said. Just don't leave yourself open once you get Lucario up there, or you will be sorry. Other than that, I don't have much since I don't play Zamus and don't know much strategy involved with her.
 

Eten

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Zamus has a ton of upwards priority on the upsmash. The upsmash hits multiple times and is a disjointed hitbox, so for many attack you can "clang" against their aerials and eventually have the multiple hits win out and hit them anyway. It's not always about the up-B, which is easier to out prioritized.
 

Ares And Enyo

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I've found up b to be a pretty universal solution to him. His dair can be punched through by up b - I recommend getting better with up b.
 

Zertuk

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Using up b/usmash has been helping a ton, he's also not spamming dair as much because of this, so we both improved.
 

koikaze

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ZSS U+B/Usmash > Lucario D+A but watch out if the Lucario does a stall D+A and then D+As you after your move went off.

You can also try mixing things up and attack them in the air (pending that they aren't short hopping). ZSS also has good recovery so she should be able to out play lucario with the edge guarding. ZSS' punches and kicks are much quicker than Lucarios, so you should use this to your advantage. Like it was stated earlier, Lucario's Smash moves are slow. ZSS can also out range them anyways. F+B and U+B/Usmash seem like they would be very useful (and I'm sure that is true for most match ups)

From my time playing with ZSS it seems that many of the whip moves can be punished. Since Lucario has awesome rolling, have any of you run into any issues with the dodging game?

I should really sub ZSS >.>
 
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