Looking for input on my Smash 64 balance-patch ideas

[Shears]

Sheer ill $100 mm my pika vs your luigi

Are you talking to me? My name only has one e. Same thing to wilde, my Luigi isn't that adept and I don't feel confident with the character because I don't have that much experience playing him. But if you go to Hitstun 3 I'll $5 MM my luigi vs your pika.

 

[Annex]

"Pika is easy to edgeguard. I do it all the time as pika"
Guess that proves it!

At G3 I will pay to see you do it consistently as anyone else. "WAAAHHH I'm not as good with other characters" ok, find someone who is and have them play for you. Give them some of the money I'm offering so theyre motivated to try and prove your claim. We'll find the % of successful edgeguards and counter-edgeguards in a variety of equal situations as pika vs mario/link/dk/ness, and then the reverse. You can even decide the rules for what constitutes fair and equal tests of recovering and edgeguarding ability, AND you dont even have to pay me when you lose
The reward is $$$ and having your claim scientifically proven, and the only risk is having your ****ty opinion finally discarded. How about it

 

[Shears]

"Pika is easy to edgeguard. I do it all the time as pika"
Guess that proves it!

At G3 I will pay to see you do it consistently as anyone else. "WAAAHHH I'm not as good with other characters" ok, find someone who is and have them play for you. Give them some of the money I'm offering so theyre motivated to try and prove your claim. We'll find the % of successful edgeguards and counter-edgeguards in a variety of equal situations as pika vs mario/link/dk/ness, and then the reverse. You can even decide the rules for what constitutes fair and equal tests of recovering and edgeguarding ability, AND you dont even have to pay me when you lose
The reward is $$$ and having your claim scientifically proven, and the only risk is having your ****ty opinion finally discarded. How about it

Falcon edgeguards pika very easily too. I'll need to draw up an edgeguard tree against pika for each character. The thing that scares people or overwhelms them is how far pika goes and how fast he moves. Edgeguarding him requires soft reads and covering options which most characters can do easily. Typically though (if you can't just chase out and hit pika out of upb), just cover the ledge and then chase pika to either platform and punish.

 

[Annex]

Edgeguarding him requires soft reads

Lmao at pika mains phrasing it like "he only requires soft reads" when absolutely no other character requires reads to edgeguard at all
#PIKA****INGPRIV

And is that a yes? We can throw falcon in too idc. Your edgeguard chart would be fun. I would love to see what link/dk are supposed to do according to you. Will they be assuming that the pika wont be ledgecancelling their upb?

 

[Shears]

Lmao at pika mains phrasing it like "he only requires soft reads" when absolutely no other character requires reads to edgeguard at all
#PIKA****INGPRIV

And is that a yes? We can throw falcon in too idc. Your edgeguard chart would be fun. I would love to see what link/dk are supposed to do according to you. Will they be assuming that the pika wont be ledgecancelling their upb?

So I guess you don't consider timing or spacing to be a read since every other character has a hitbox that can counter an edgeguard. Ledgecancelling isn't something pika can do always from anywhere no matter what when recovering every time. On the rare cases pika ledgecancels they can be included too. Just so you know, you can hit pika before he ledgecancels, when pika is moving you're free to kill him and hit him anyway you please.

 

[Annex]

So I guess you don't consider timing or spacing to be a read

Successfully predicting a player's action is commonly referred to as a read

Nope. Timing and spacing are required in executing on a read, but they're not what a read is

Really don't want to argue theory, especially against you, and especially when we're going to test it.
All I want you to do is come up with a fair and accurate way of testing whether or not pika is the easiest to edgeguard. One where when pika outperforms at least one other character you will concede that pika isn't the worst. If you want, I can come up with one and you can change it until we agree that it's a good way of doing it

 

[Grahamaglam]

So I guess you don't consider timing or spacing to be a read since every other character has a hitbox that can counter an edgeguard.

Speaking from personal experience, more than half the cast has guaranteed or close to guaranteed edgeguards against Link. A well-timed run off neutral air from most of the cast beats out most of Link's options while recovering. I strongly doubt that anything can prove that covering all of Link's recovery options is harder than covering all of Pikachu's recovery options. Alternatively, I would like to see how many characters can cover all of Link's recovery options vs how many characters can guarantee an edgeguard against Pikachu.

 

[Shears]

Nope. Timing and spacing are required in executing on a read, but they're not what a read is

Really don't want to argue theory, especially against you, and especially when we're going to test it.
All I want you to do is come up with a fair and accurate way of testing whether or not pika is the easiest to edgeguard. One where when pika outperforms at least one other character you will concede that pika isn't the worst. If you want, I can come up with one and you can change it until we agree that it's a good way of doing it

I'm open to your testing methods

 

[caneut]

Are you talking to me? My name only has one e. Same thing to wilde, my Luigi isn't that adept and I don't feel confident with the character because I don't have that much experience playing him. But if you go to Hitstun 3 I'll $5 MM my luigi vs your pika.

$20 or nothing

 

[Shears]

$20 or nothing

Sure

 

[caneut]

Sure

I'll also mm your falcon vs my pika $20

 

[Shears]

I'll also mm your falcon vs my pika $20

Now that will be easy

 

[Annex]

$20 your pika my dk, not peaches

 

[Shears]

$20 your pika my dk, not peaches

Deal