Living in Melee's shadow

[Chairion]

I would like to gather the opinions of the members of this forum.

What is holding PM so far back that it is not being respected at the same level as Melee?
A lot of really great Melee players will shrug off a loss in PM just because "it's just PM".

I am not a great player by any means but I enjoy the smash scene quite a bit. As far as I can tell a lot of the
most important aspects of Melee exist in PM. There is a larger range of match ups and I don't think PM will end with spacies as the dominating characters in tourneys.

When I ask people why they like Melee better I mostly get these replies:
Melee is faster
PM is too easy/less technical
Can't establish a meta with a game being updated
The 1 frame delay thing
"I just do"

Could anyone with a strong grasp of the mechanics of both games and the smash scene in general comment on what is truly holding back PM in the eyes of all the Melee elites? What needs to happen for PM to step out of Melee's shadow and thrive as it's own game.

 

[MLGF]

They prefer Melee because they prefer Melee.
If we shove our opinions down their throat, we just look like assholes.

 

[G13_Flux]

try not to think into their opinions so much. the only reason half of the people say its less technical is because of easy pivots and SHs are one frame easier... PM has a ton of new techniques that require tech skill that melee doesnt have. additionally, since characters are vastly improved, reaching full potential with them generally requires a use and understanding of more options. PM has a far higher standard of the mental aspect of the game, since theres a smaller gap between top and bottom tiers, and every character has more options.

 

[Celestis]

PM will always be hindered by "Its a mod". Its unfortunate, but true. Opinions will always be persuade by that fact.
If Nintendo were paying the PMBR to make this game, things would suddenly change. But for some reason, some just can't get past the unofficial thing. To me a game is a game no matter who makes it. It all is a creation made by a collaboration of minds. Be in Nintendo or the fans.

 

[Y-L]

Agreed, the only reason PM isn't well respected all around is because it is a mod.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Some people don't give it value because it's not an official release, because a game made by people is less legitimate than a different game also made by people.

Some people don't give it value because they don't enjoy it. It's different, there are new match-ups, it's harder to get used to new characters and all their tools and the metagame isn't quite as solved as it is in Melee.

I don't agree with their opinions, but enough people care about P:M and give it the respect it deserves. It has its own fanbase, it is now a pretty major event at tournaments and was even at APEX (and will be at SKTAR, a.k.a Duel of the Fates PM edition.) It is its own thing, even if it needs to watch its steps legally as a fan mod. We don't need to get quite so dramatic about it

 

[Saito]

What is holding PM so far back that it is not being respected at the same level as Melee?

"It's a Mod."

Which is dumb.

 

[Paradoxium]

Its because melee players spend a few weeks on pm and come in and body the majority of players whose main game is pm.

Also it is a mod

also it is #easier than melee

 

[Tlock]

PM is already thriving as its onw game already. It is getting as much or more player/viewer interest and entrants than melee in many tournaments now. It probably will never be on the big stages (EVO, MLG) because it is a mod and Nintendo is Nintendo, but the game has earned a lot of respect from the smash community.

As for why some melee players do not like the game it really is preference. Melee has a much different meta game than PM and you can't fault people for liking the melee meta more than the PM meta.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Even if they don't respect the game for whatever petty personal reason, plenty of people will still have fun playing PM and I think the fun aspect needs to be stressed whether or not your going to take the game seriously. You can't force people to go into it with a serious mindset other than beating them and forcing them to respect the opponent.