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Link's Dthrow Platform Thresholds

EmptySky00

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So I've had the issue many times where I had a grab that would lead into a kill follow-up. Unfortunately, I'm positioned below a platform and I don't know if my down throw will put them onto the platform. So I've taken it upon myself for the sake of the success of future Empty Combos to compile the percents at which every character touches platform on relevant stages. I didn't do Yoshi's Story because the slope is a nuisance. I also didn't do the stages with varying platform height. This is all assuming no DI so these are the lowest possible percents at which characters will land on platforms. Enjoy!

Battlefield
Fox - 234
Falco - 164
Falcon - 157
Wolf - 152
Sheik - 146
ZSS - 137
Squirtle - 137
Meta Knight - 136
Lucas - 126
Toon Link - 126
Wario - 126
Pikachu - 125
Lucario - 125
G&W - 121
Roy - 121
Sonic - 118
Diddy - 117
Link - 112
Bowser - 112
Charizard - 109
Snake - 107
Ganon - 100
Ike - 99
Pit - 97
Olimar - 96
DDD - 92
ICs - 92
Donkey Kong - 92
Kirby - 85
ROB - 83
Mario - 80
Yoshi - 80
Ness - 79
Marth - 75
Ivysaur - 70
Peach - 70
Mewtwo - 66
Zelda - 65
Jigglypuff - 52
Luigi - 44
Samus - 42
Pokemon Stadium 2
Fox - 232
Falco - 161
Falcon - 157
Wolf - 150
Sheik - 144
Squirtle - 136
ZSS - 135
Meta Knight - 135
Lucas - 125
Wario - 125
Pikachu - 124
Toon Link - 124
Lucario - 123
G&W - 120
Roy - 120
Sonic - 117
Diddy - 115
Link - 111
Bowser - 110
Charizard - 108
Snake - 105
Ganondorf - 98
Ike - 98
Pit - 96
Olimar - 95
DDD - 91
Ice Climbers - 91
Kirby - 84
ROB - 81
Yoshi - 79
Ness - 78
Mario - 78
Marth - 73
Peach - 69
Ivy - 69
Mewtwo - 65
Zelda - 63
Jigglypuff - 51
Luigi - 42
Samus - 41
Dreamland
Fox - 263
Falco - 192
Wolf - 189
Falcon - 184
Sheik - 169
ZSS - 166
Meta Knight - 161
Squirtle - 155
Lucas - 154
Lucario - 153
Roy - 149
Toon Link - 149
Wario - 148
Pikachu - 148
Diddy - 147
Sonic – 142
G&W - 141
Link - 138
Bowser - 138
Ganon - 133
Snake - 132
Charizard - 127
Ike - 124
Pit - 122
Olimar - 118
DDD - 117
ICs - 117
Donkey Kong - 117
ROB - 116
Mario - 111
Kirby - 106
Ness - 104
Yoshi - 103
Marth - 98
Peach - 93
Ivysaur - 91
Zelda - 89
Mewtwo - 86
Jigglypuff - 73
Luigi - 72
Samus - 59
Warioware
Fox - 200
Falco - 131
Falcon - 137
Sheik - 127
Wolf - 122
Squirtle - 120
Meta Knight - 117
ZSS - 114
Wario - 109
Toon Link - 105
Lucas - 104
G&W - 104
Pikachu - 104
Roy - 100
Sonic - 99
Lucario - 97
Charizard - 94
Diddy - 93
Link - 91
Bowser - 90
Snake - 88
Ike - 79
Olimar - 79
Pit - 78
IC - 73
Ganondorf - 71
DDD - 71
Donkey Kong - 70
Kirby - 69
Yoshi - 61
Ness - 60
ROB - 57
Mario - 56
Marth - 55
Ivysaur - 51
Peach - 51
Mewtwo - 44
Zelda - 44
Jigglypuff - 36
Samus - 29
Luigi - 20

Special thanks to @Titanium for lightening the load for me by supplying the Dreamland numbers. Also thanks to my friend @ikon for helping me with the rest of it. That assbandit needs to make an account so I can properly give him shoutouts. This **** gets really tedious alone.

If anyone else wants to do any other stage or request them, then fire away. Smashville will probably be in the future.
 
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EmptySky00

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I'm going to try and organize it into a way that's easier to remember at some point. Right now I don't have time. I don't expect many people to actually use this information, but again there were many times that I wish I had it and it mattered immensely when my ignorance led me to the wrong decision. Knowledge is power.
 
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I'm going to try and organize it into a way that's easier to remember at some point. Right now I don't have time. I don't expect many people to actually use this information, but again there were many times that I wish I had it and it mattered immensely when my ignorance led me to the wrong decision. Knowledge is power.
Norfair numbers please.

[Just kidding].

But actually, Distant Planet (lower platfomrs) numbers would be sweet, as would Castle Siege, Yoshi's Brawl [when it's level?], and perhaps Smashville [though I personally think it's a little less important than those 3 because the platform isn't always there]. I get you are probably busy with real-life stuff and that this is a lot to ask, but if you ever decide to just go nuts, well there you go.

Alternatively, if you can just state "Distant Planet platform height is equivalent to PS2 height" or whatever [not saying that's true either], that'd be helpful as well (and quite convenient for us).
 
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EmptySky00

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I was going to ask @jtm94 for the platform heights in relation to each other so that we can get a general idea of the platforms that are variable. He has the means to get exact numbers and he's an encyclopedia for these things. For Yoshi's Story, aside from saying the platforms are low as **** so always assume they'll land on it, I could say it's slightly lower than Warioware so you can make assumptions based on that.

I do need to do Smashville, but Titanium said that he would like these numbers because they would help his game out, so I finished the last 2 stages I had partially completed and posted them. Do you have any idea how I could organize these so it isn't just a daunting conglomerate of numbers? I was thinking a line graph or something along those lines, but that might be more work than it's worth as it just makes the numbers more vague. Perhaps I could organize them into sections like... 110-120 and put the characters that go into it. The exact numbers will seldom be relevant and you could just remember that X character lands around there and act accordingly. It would make it easier to absorb and utilize in the heat of a battle.

I'll definitely get Distant Planet and Smashville next time I work on this though. Good suggestions. And I'll get the platform ranges of Norfair and Yoshi's Brawl. There's no real way to test Yoshi's Brawl due to the slope of the stage and the varying height of the platforms, so any numbers I'd produce would be situational and only relevant in ideal situations at best. Ultimately it would tell us nothing.

Do you think Siege is going to be a legal stage? If it ends up being on stage lists, I'll do it. But this thing takes a fair amount of time and I don't want to waste calories for something that no one will ever use. Kind of like the guy who designed Skyloft OH **** SHOTS FIRED
 
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