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LCD Lag Advice?
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DaSasQuach
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Honestly, if you're gonna use something that displays HD, I'd go with an EVO monitor, but you'll have to spend $300+ just to use it as I hear you need a capture card for it. It's highly advised you use a CRT TV if you want a cheaper alternative than an EVO monitor plus capture card to make it display on the monitor. The lag on your LCD TV may differ, as some has a lot of input lag and some may have 1-2 frames of input lag. It all depends on how new is your LCD TV and if you're using game mode or not.
TobiasXK
Smash Ace
it's not even really an issue of how new it is, unfortunately. the display lag variance is so all over the place panel to panel because low lag is not a key feature or selling point of HDTVs, really. so without testing it yourself (or if you're lucky enough that someone has tested it for you and posted the findings online), there's no way to really know.
there's this MIOM article: http://meleeiton.me/2014/03/27/this-tv-lags-a-guide-on-input-and-display-lag/ that gives a pretty decent treatment of the issue. and the two (actually relatively common) HDTVs they test have 2.52 frames and 9.06 frames of lag, so.
there's this MIOM article: http://meleeiton.me/2014/03/27/this-tv-lags-a-guide-on-input-and-display-lag/ that gives a pretty decent treatment of the issue. and the two (actually relatively common) HDTVs they test have 2.52 frames and 9.06 frames of lag, so.
N7S
Smash Journeyman
This TV is about 2-3 years old. And I'm not using a game mode on it. I'll look up most of the specs & things about this TV tomorrow to and check how many frames it lags. I've considered getting a CRT TV as a cheap alternative. But I'm hoping I have enough room to fit it somewhere.
DaSasQuach
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A lot of newer TVs tends to have worse input lag than older ones without game mode. It's just a common correlation from what I experienced, but older LCD TVs can have significantly worse input lag than Smart LCD TVs. It all depends, but it is a correlation from my experience that new TVs without game mode lags more than older TV. The article TobiasXK posted does treat the issue very well though. If game mode is on, it would probably decrease the input lag significantly, but it will still be noticeable. EVO monitor, they're ASUS brand monitors which are around $150 if I remember correctly, or BenQ monitors will display the best, the equipment will probably last longer, and the input lag is a lot lower than typical LCD TVs. EVO monitors are tournament standard EVERYWHERE for fighting games (I play Guilty Gear and BlazBlue and all tournaments and casuals I went to for those games used EVO monitors), so you should keep that in mind if you plan on playing more games competitively. EVO monitors with or without speakers built-in doesn't matter, but it should at least have a place to put in speakers. Your TV, will probably have pretty bad lag, but I'm not sure yet since I don't know the brand and model. Getting a CRT just for Melee is a great idea, since they're cheap and have the lowest amounts of input lag.
skstylez
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Just get to tourneys earlier and play friendlies to warmup. It's just a mental block that takes a few rounds to adjust
Shadic
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A model number would also help, instead of a picture of what could be any random LCD TV.
And "Game mode" should always be on.
And "Game mode" should always be on.
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Use game mode
Use component cables if you have a Wii (processing a 480p signal takes less time than processing a 480i)
Use a CRT
There are component-to-HDMI adapters you can buy for like $60 if you can only play on a monitor
EVO monitors lag by .5 frames and it's still too much to play Melee on. Other fighting games are less sensitive to lag so that doesn't affect them as much
Use component cables if you have a Wii (processing a 480p signal takes less time than processing a 480i)
Use a CRT
There are component-to-HDMI adapters you can buy for like $60 if you can only play on a monitor
EVO monitors lag by .5 frames and it's still too much to play Melee on. Other fighting games are less sensitive to lag so that doesn't affect them as much
N7S
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I have a Wii hooked up to another LCD TV in a different room & that's about 6-7 years old. There is no HDMI cable hooked up to the Wii though. And idk if it runs in game mode or not. All it says is video 1 or video 2 as the channel for it.
the first thing you should do is change it to 4:3...
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N7S
Smash Journeyman
With TV that has the GameCube plugged in yes. With the Wii I have every picture enhancing feature disabled.
Vorde
Smash Journeyman
I've spent wayyy too much time looking into this kind of thing. Basically disable all the features on the TV, change to 4:3 ratio, use component or VGA when possible, and avoid HDMI or Composite video
Epsilon mentioned using component cables (the type that separate video into 3 different signals. so with audio you have 5 cables total), but definitely don't forget to also change the setting in the Wii to actually output progressive video. Simply plugging in different cables won't trigger the Wii to automatically switch (unless you're already using progressive and you switch to composite cables (where video is on the yellow plug), because composite doesn't support progressive at all), and it makes a huge difference because it removes a lot of processing that the TV would otherwise need to do.
Vorde
Smash Journeyman
You know, I'm just going to buy a BenQ monitor with the Component to HDMI converter linked in the http://meleeiton.me/2014/03/27/this-tv-lags-a-guide-on-input-and-display-lag/ article. That small amount of lag shouldn't really affect gameplay all that much
Massive
Smash Champion
Something I've wanted to do for a long time is hook up some HDMI and component video adapters to an oscilloscope (I have one, but I need to fix it). That'd be the best way to see exactly how much lag they add and which ones are the best. I know the Wii2HDMI one is good, but I'd also be interested in component since I use that to convert to VGA for one of my setups.
N7S
Smash Journeyman
I always play with wired controllers. That isn't an issue. But I definitely notice the lag on my LCD compared to a CRT. Like a 1 frame difference.
N7S
Smash Journeyman
How much lag would it get if I had my GameCube hooked up to an RF adapter to the LCD TV? And have it at standard resolution?
Noone can really tell you man. people can only say 'it will have some'
unless your TV model is listed on a database of lag test, you need to test it.
Pictures are no help.
it's like taking photo of a backpack, and asking a forum how much it weighs.
unless your TV model is listed on a database of lag test, you need to test it.
Pictures are no help.
it's like taking photo of a backpack, and asking a forum how much it weighs.
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Vorde
Smash Journeyman
An RF adapter would actually cause more lag than any other video method because it has to decode and split not only the video now but the audio signals as well. RF is just terribad all around. Component is the safest way to go since the video is already split almost in its entirety. If your TV still lags and you're using Component and "Game Mode" then your display is probably too slow. Do yourself a favor and play on a CRT until you can afford to go to an ASUS or BenQ gaming monitor with a component to HDMI converter.