Smash 3DS Lack of Pikmin representation in Smash Run!

[LunarDistortion]

As a large Pikmin fan, it kinda hurts to see the series get a bit neglected in the way of enemies in Smash Run. I realize that we don't know all of the enemies yet, but we have only seen two so far being the Bulborb and the Iridescent Glint Beetle. This is ridiculously low considering the things they have to work with. Especially seeing as Kid Icarus Uprising has so many enemies that nothing can stand up to it in numbers. I feel if they can work on 25+ Kid Icarus enemies, they can spend a little time on five or so Pikmin enemies.

I know the reasons why Kid Icarus has the amount of representation it does. It's Sakurai's franchise, Uprising was on the 3DS making it easy to port them to Smash, they're unique characters that can bring variety into Smash Run. I'm just using Kid Icarus to compare, I agree that Kid Icarus can have that represtation as long as the items, characters, and enemies are unique. The thing I want is for there to be at least a little bit more representation for the well-designed creatures of Pikmin.

Imagine bosses like the Emperor Bulblax being in Smash Run, you see a pair of small eyes bobbing up and down in the ground, and if you get close to them, the gigantic creature burrows out of the ground and starts walking towards you, trying to attack you with it's huge tongue. Or the Burrowing Snagret, it pops out of the ground in random places (It always stays in the same area of the map however.) and attacks you. The Wollywogs could be good for patrol enemies, they jump into the air for about 2 seconds above you, easily avoidable, but if you don't move it stomps you into the ground ( like a Pitfall does), at the same time doing massive damage. The Gatling Groink could move around the map, but when it sees the player it follows him until in range, where it will send a few bombs flying towards you, hurting you quite a bit.

And if the invincible Waterwraith being a boss like Orne is isn't a terrifyingly amazing idea, I don't know what is.

 

[Banjodorf]

Well, Fire Emblem (Risen, Manaketes are good potentials), WarioWare (If Rhythm Heaven can have something, WarioWare can), Starfox don't have anything yet, so I'm sure there's alot we haven't seen.

Hell, if there's Xenoblade content in the game, there's stuff to pull from that. Point being, there's probably alot of Smash Run enemies we haven't seen, and Pikmin has buttloads of potential enemies as you stated, so I wouldn't worry too much.

 

[DakotaBonez]

I don't know if we've seen enough of smash run to confirm all of the enemies, but I feel like Pikmin has enough reps. I mean, the only enemy people probably recognize from the series are the bulborbs.
Personally I'd like to see the snagrets.
http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Burrowing_Snagret
Yall may recognize them from their trophy in brawl.

Are there actually 25+ kid icarus enemies in smash run?

EDIT: Wow so there's at least 16 kid icarus enemies confirmed. Sakurai bias at its finest.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Smash_Run#Known_enemies

 

[Mega Hawlucha]

It'd be awesome to see the Plasm Wraith as a Smash Run boss.

As said, Fire Emblem and WarioWare need some content as well. FE can have Manakete's, Taguel's, Risen and Grimleal (The later two have a lot of possibilities, i.e. Risen Archer, Risen Barbarian, Rien Chief). Would be awesome to see Entombed and Revenants though.

On another note, I may be alone in this, but I'd love to see some Nintendoland enemies as well. The robotic Bulborb, Monita, the stiched Moblins, Chuchu and Keese. So much to pull from there.

As for WarioWare, there's so much to pull from there it's not even funny. I'm also disappointed about the lack of Primid's in Smash Run though, they were the most important enemies in the SSE, after all.

 

[LunarDistortion]

Yeah, I can kinda see that point of view. If Star Fox, a series that was in the first E3 trailer's beginning montage, doesn't have a single enemy, it's safe to say there are many to come.

I think Nintendo Land enemies would be interesting, the Evil Monita would be the most obvious choice to appear, with characters like Bulborbs and Moblins retaining their normal looks.

 

[Raijinken]

I want random miniature F-Zero cars racing laps around a randomly selected part of the track. Or at least the generic brutes from F-Zero GX (from the race against Michael Chain). Or something. Anything, really. F-Zero is perpetually poor in representation, it should be time to fix that.

A lot of the systems have some pretty diverse options, it's just up to Sakurai et al to see it and use it.

But yeah, more on the thread title, I agree, there should be more Pikmin can do. I didn't really play the games much, but I'm pretty sure there's more than just bulborbs walkin' around there.

 

[Reila]

I think Pikmin is well represented.

Yeah, I can kinda see that point of view. If Star Fox, a series that was in the first E3 trailer's beginning montage, doesn't have a single enemy, it's safe to say there are many to come.

I think Nintendo Land enemies would be interesting, the Evil Monita would be the most obvious choice to appear, with characters like Bulborbs and Moblins retaining their normal looks.

The less Star Fox stuff in the game, the better. lol But yeah, obviously there are more enemies/content in Smash Run yet to be revealed.

 

[CaptainQuestion]

If you think Pikmin or Warioware has it bad, you're forgetting the complete lack of anything from EarthBound. Rhythm Heaven of all things has MORE confirmed representation at the moment, and not just in Smash Run.
Just give us the New Age Retro Hippie and some Pigmasks already...

 

[Malkior7]

If Sakurai was to put another Pikmin character in it would just be a clone of Olimar

 

[egaddmario]

If you think Pikmin or Warioware has it bad, you're forgetting the complete lack of anything from EarthBound. Rhythm Heaven of all things has MORE confirmed representation at the moment, and not just in Smash Run.
Just give us the New Age Retro Hippie and some Pigmasks already...

I came in this thread planning to write this. Good on you.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

I think it's more a matter of not seeing them as compared to them not being there. I'd say this is one of those things where you just have to wait til it comes out to know.

 

[toadster101]

If you think Pikmin or Warioware has it bad, you're forgetting the complete lack of anything from EarthBound. Rhythm Heaven of all things has MORE confirmed representation at the moment, and not just in Smash Run.
Just give us the New Age Retro Hippie and some Pigmasks already...

Don't forget about F-Zero, although I'm not sure how they could incorporate enemies from that.

 

[Raijinken]

Don't forget about F-Zero, although I'm not sure how they could incorporate enemies from that.

Miniature F-Zero machines racing around a portion of the maze (imagine the Shy Guys on the Mario Circuit stage, but faster). Turn some of the antagonistic characters (Michael Chain, for instance) into generic punchy type characters.

Or, in a worst case scenario, make Black Shadow a boss as a stronger and dark-element form of Captain Falcon. Oh wait we already have that as a playable and for some reason it's not Black Shadow. Hmmm.

 

[CaptainQuestion]

Don't forget about F-Zero, although I'm not sure how they could incorporate enemies from that.

Well, sure, F-Zero doesn't have Smash Run representation either, but overall Captain Falcon has already been revealed, and Samurai Goroh is back as an assist.
On the other hand, the Mother series has nothing confirmed save for 2 items: Mr. Saturn and the Franklin Badge.

I mean, I agree F-Zero could stand to have some more stuff confirmed as well, I really do, but Mother currently has next to nothing, and it's seriously starting to worry me...

 

[Raijinken]

Well, sure, F-Zero doesn't have Smash Run representation either, but overall Captain Falcon has already been revealed, and Samurai Goroh is back as an assist.
On the other hand, the Mother series has nothing confirmed save for 2 items: Mr. Saturn and the Franklin Badge.

I mean, I agree F-Zero could stand to have some more stuff confirmed as well, I really do, but Mother currently has next to nothing, and it's seriously starting to worry me...

I've always thought the Hungry HP Sucker would be a fun item to use. And there's always the Smilin' Sphere and the Lil' UFO that would make good non-hippie enemies (not that we'd want anything besides the hippies).

 

[CaptainQuestion]

I've always thought the Hungry HP Sucker would be a fun item to use. And there's always the Smilin' Sphere and the Lil' UFO that would make good non-hippie enemies (not that we'd want anything besides the hippies).

Agreed. Also, I think some of the Chimeras from Mother 3 might be great.
Especially the Pigtunias, to once again reinforce the true weirdness of the series. Or Horsantula, just because it's so brilliantly creepy looking.

 

[Bedoop]

Maybe the Water Wraith is a Smash Run boss that noone's seen yet?

 

[Raijinken]

Agreed. Also, I think some of the Chimeras from Mother 3 might be great.
Especially the Pigtunias, to once again reinforce the true weirdness of the series. Or Horsantula, just because it's so brilliantly creepy looking.

Cattlesnakes always struck me as hilarious.

Or the Metal Monkey. Two references for the price of one!

 

[Ragna22]

We have the golden bug and the Bolborb, two enemies is pretty good for a series that's probably only going to have one character playable in Smash inless they're willing to add Alph as a clone character or something.

 

[CaptainQuestion]

We have the golden bug and the Bolborb, two enemies is pretty good for a series that's probably only going to have one character playable in Smash inless they're willing to add Alph as a clone character or something.

...But Kid Icarus has 16+ enemies for only two characters (so far anyway)! That's more than Zelda and Pokémon... I see no real reason for smaller series not to get some more representation through enemies - besides, the creature designs in Pikmin are pretty great, you have to admit.

 

[Raijinken]

...But Kid Icarus has 16+ enemies for only two characters (so far anyway)! That's more than Zelda and Pokémon... I see no real reason for smaller series not to get some more representation through enemies - besides, the creature designs in Pikmin are pretty great, you have to admit.

On the other hand, Pokemon has the Poke Ball, which significantly increases its representation in all modes.

Either way, I think the underrepresented series' should get an appropriate level of content before we keep bloating Mario/Zelda/Pokemon.

 

[Ragna22]

...But Kid Icarus has 16+ enemies for only two characters (so far anyway)! That's more than Zelda and Pokémon... I see no real reason for smaller series not to get some more representation through enemies - besides, the creature designs in Pikmin are pretty great, you have to admit.

That has more to do with Sakurai loving his own games, he made Kid Icarus Uprising, he didn't make Pikmin, he didn't make Zelda, he didn't make Mario, ect. I think at this point Sakurai is just trying to further expose the Kid Icarus franchise because he knows it was so obscure before Brawl because I believe we've seen more Kid Icarus content than even Kirby content.

 

[CaptainQuestion]

That has more to do with Sakurai loving his own games, he made Kid Icarus Uprising, he didn't make Pikmin, he didn't make Zelda, he didn't make Mario, ect. I think at this point Sakurai is just trying to further expose the Kid Icarus franchise because he knows it was so obscure before Brawl because I believe we've seen more Kid Icarus content than even Kirby content.

Well, actually, I think the main reason is because it's really easy to put in. They can just take the models from Uprising, which are already 3DS quality, and stuff them straight into Smash Run, since Sakurai's team certainly still have those models around.

Though that's still no reason to ignore the great enemy designs in less represented franchises. I mean, can you honestly say you'd rather have 50 different types of Koopa Troopa than some more Pikmin or Mother enemies, regardless of how likely that all is?

 

[.Alone]

More Pikmin enemies would be great. I also wouldn't be surprised if Pikmin got some form of an AT included in the game.

I do agree with above posters however, in that other series should be getting repped in Smash Run (Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Earthbound, etc.)

 

[Ragna22]

Well, actually, I think the main reason is because it's really easy to put in. They can just take the models from Uprising, which are already 3DS quality, and stuff them straight into Smash Run, since Sakurai's team certainly still have those models around.

Though that's still no reason to ignore the great enemy designs in less represented franchises. I mean, can you honestly say you'd rather have 50 different types of Koopa Troopa than some more Pikmin or Mother enemies, regardless of how likely that all is?

Honestly bro I'm happy enough with the Pookas from Dig Dug getting in but other than that, I've really only played Pikmin 3 so I can't think of too many enemies that would work outside of boss characters, just the little flying guys that swoop down to take your Pikmin or the the guys that shoot fire out of their long noses. What I'd REALLY like to se from the less represented franchises though is to make Samurai Goroh a Smash Run enemy, I know he's an assist trophy but so was the Hammer Brother in Brawl be he was still an enemy in the SSE so I want to see Samurai Goroh as an enemy, I think it'd be a good way to have some kind of F-Zero enemy without angering those who want more F-Zero playable characters.

 

[CaptainQuestion]

Honestly bro I'm happy enough with the Pookas from Dig Dug getting in but other than that, I've really only played Pikmin 3 so I can't think of too many enemies that would work outside of boss characters, just the little flying guys that swoop down to take your Pikmin or the the guys that shoot fire out of their long noses. What I'd REALLY like to se from the less represented franchises though is to make Samurai Goroh a Smash Run enemy, I know he's an assist trophy but so was the Hammer Brother in Brawl be he was still an enemy in the SSE so I want to see Samurai Goroh as an enemy, I think it'd be a good way to have some kind of F-Zero enemy without angering those who want more F-Zero playable characters.

Hmm... well, so far, we've only seen enemies of which there were many identical units, like a species of creatures... but anything's possible with Sakurai behind the wheel, and we have not really seen too many Smash Run bosses, so especially for bosses, we can't be sure what to expect.
Admittedly, being an assist, Samurai Goroh seems pretty unlikely at this point, BUT Sakurai did say Assist Trophies would play a role in All-Star Mode, so maybe you'll have to fight him/fight alongside him on the F-Zero stage there...?

 

[Ragna22]

Hmm... well, so far, we've only seen enemies of which there were many identical units, like a species of creatures... but anything's possible with Sakurai behind the wheel, and we have not really seen too many Smash Run bosses, so especially for bosses, we can't be sure what to expect.
Admittedly, being an assist, Samurai Goroh seems pretty unlikely at this point, BUT Sakurai did say Assist Trophies would play a role in All-Star Mode, so maybe you'll have to fight him/fight alongside him on the F-Zero stage there...?

Well like I said, the Hammer Bros were assist trophies and SSE enemies in Brawl but we'll see what happens. I do remember that All-Star line though, I'm curious how that'll work for characters like Lyn who only attack once, I could see a Pong mini game with that being fun though where the player can also hit the ball.

 

[Hero of the Winds]

I love how creative and cool all the pikmin monsters are!

 

[Jae]

No worries, we'll just have to wait for the full game to see all of the enemies included in Smash Run.
Then we'll be able to say for certain if there's a lack of representation. Of course, enemies in SR aren't the only way of repping a series.

But we have two so far, and that's something!

 

[25%Cotton]

If you think Pikmin or Warioware has it bad, you're forgetting the complete lack of anything from EarthBound. Rhythm Heaven of all things has MORE confirmed representation at the moment, and not just in Smash Run.
Just give us the New Age Retro Hippie and some Pigmasks already...

has anything at all been announced from the earthbound series? i feel like they're holding back if that's the case... have we even seen mr. saturn or the franklin badge?

pigmasks would be epic especially with their squealing.
and i'd LOVE to see the ultimate chimaera returning as one of my favorite earthbound enemies of all time...
but honestly virtually any enemy or item from the games would make an epic inclusion anywhere because even the smallest part of that series is filled with character and uniqueness.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Earbound and Pikmin need a LOT more representation then what they already have.

 

[Curious Villager]

have we even seen mr. saturn or the franklin badge?

Yup and yup.

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