Koopa Klaw = Killer Kamakaze?

[S_B]

In all the videos I've seen of Bowser players using the Klaw to grab their opponents and leap off the edge with them, I've never once seen an opponent wiggle out of the move. He ALWAYS takes them down with him.

Is it possible to wiggle out or is this a guaranteed kill/suicide?

 

[smashbot226]

Ask gimpyfish.

Man, there were more K's in your topic title then a German dictionary!

 

[AmishTechnology]

This was in the developers' best interests and attempts to balance Bowser. :O Well, Bowser will certainly be one extremely scary beast if he has one more stock than you, even if you're at 0% and he's at 179%.

 

[Jellybelly]

This thread is KKKRAZY!!

Anywayz, I've never seen anyone escape from it, Bowsercide may be a decent option for Bowser.

Imagine it. You've got 2 stock, your opponent has 1, land the move and you've won.

 

[Zarckoh]

Bowsercide is a good option, as a difference from the Kirbycide it seems that this cannot be stopped.

 

[kamikaze falco]

Yeah it could be a pretty broke technique.

 

[Lgndknight]

DDcide works just as well. Heavy broken guys FTW

 

[Mobbin]

From what I've seen and hear, it's not escapable. Seems a little broken to me...
But hopefully you can somehow escape from that move - maybe Gimpy can tell us more.

greetz

P.S.:

Man, there were more K's in your topic title then a German dictionary!

Do we have so much K's? I never noticed that, lol

 

[Serpit]

I actually used it once when we both had 1 stock, and I won because my opponent died first o_O I've seen a video of it resulting ina Sudden Death though.

 

[DQP]

sounds like a clever strategy. for the first time, killing yourself is a good idea

 

[Waka_Waka_do_do_yea]

Bowser taught himself kirbycide ^__^

 

[Jellybelly]

I've seen it end in sudden death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21esqeZ8QVU

Who else but our very own gimpyfish, perfect example of Bowsercide.

 

[Wizard99]

Bowsercide = God
if Final Destination is the standard tourney stage like in melee

 

[El Cancel]

it equals kamikaze.

 

[Cyrlous]

Yeah this is just nuts, quite broken imo.

 

[Arkane]

Koopa Klaw? Killer Kamakaze? No, son.

That's the Kooplex.

Koopa. Suplex. Kooplex.

 

[Madlobster]

i vote we call it Kooplex or Gimpycide :D

 

[Serpit]

I tested it a bit now. Sometimes both die simultaneously, sometimes Bowser dies later, winning the game.

It seems completely random. I tried Clawing them from behind, from the front and from the air, and sometimes both lose their last stock leading to Sudden Death, sometimes Bowser survives and wins.

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

So the move is the same if you hit side-B in the air? I noticed that Ganondorf's changes a little, but haven't seen a Bowser land an aerial side-B in any videos.

To those saying it's broken: come on. After all the slings and arrows Bowser had to endure in Melee, he deserves a move or two for people to complain about how unfair that move is! (It's nothing near wobbling, that's for sure.) If you're on your last stock and Bowser isn't, just keep away from the ledges.

Edit: Just saw the aerial version in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geOASsoyghQ where a later use of the klaw ended the match. Wolf died before Bowser, which makes me think that who dies first may have something to do with damage?

 

[Faintz1337]

Edit: Just saw the aerial version in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geOASsoyghQ where a later use of the klaw ended the match. Wolf died before Bowser, which makes me think that who dies first may have something to do with damage?

OR... may have something to do with the size of your opponent. Wolf's size > Lucas'.

 

[Kips]

I could see it now- "GIIMMMM-PYYY-KOOOPLEXXX"
Just as he uses it to kill someone. This looks like one heck of a stock evener. Makes me want to play Boozer a lot.

 

[Frown]

Uh, in a 1vs1 match, no matter how many lives : Bowser gets first kill -> Bowser wins.

 

[mario8498]

Uh, in a 1vs1 match, no matter how many lives : Bowser gets first kill -> Bowser wins.

Not necessarily. Stay away from the edges and you're fine.

 

[Weed]

Uh, in a 1vs1 match, no matter how many lives : Bowser gets first kill -> Bowser wins.

So you're implying that Bowser has the capability to stay on top of every other character, assuming he gets one kill? Hell no.
He's still slow, he still gets comboed (assuming there are combos in Brawl xD), grabbed, *****, everything.

Unless you're a complete idiot, you wont die from every single Koopa Klaw..sorry..Kooplex.

 

[Kips]

Yeah, his speed is still abusable, no matter how awesome Teh Kooplex is. Has anybody noticed how the two most awesome attacks ever start with K? Teh Knee and Teh Kooplex!

 

[Dais]

With the two delays, you'd think at the very least they would have more time to play and test the game. Now we got a Suicide Suplex and the complete edgehogation of tether recoveries. Didn't they work on this game for a couple of years? I thought it would be really polished when it finally came out. But in a week, people have already found broken stuff and glitches. Koopa's klaw is so obvious it must have been left in on purpose. So play as Bowser and edgehog Olimar & Ivysaur than do one Koopaside and you win. Sounds fun Maybe only walk-off stages will be allowed in tournaments now.

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

Olimar has a range and speed advantage over Bowser, ZSS has a big speed advantage, and Ivysaur can just be switched out for Charizard when a KO is threatened.

We can't say anything's broken if no one has broken it and no one else has tried and failed to counter it yet.

 

[mario8498]

We can't say anything's broken if no one has broken it and no one else has tried and failed to counter it yet.

But someone has...

 

[PukeTShirt]

I vote that the move is the Kooplex when you smash them into the ground but it should be the Klawmikaze when you suicide with it.