KOing - the main obstacle I have with sheik

[AccountsDept]

So, I main Fox and have Sheik as a very, very close secondary.

Recently, as I've been facing better players, I've been increasingly drifting away closer to fox, and I've realized why - I can't kill with Sheik.

I have the principles down. I can use Walk>Ftilt, Fair, Dthrow and the Vortex Grenade to keep myself in the lead. But I have /so/ much trouble landing the finishing blow, the 40-60% lead I have doesn't mean **** in the long run, especially against competent heavy players () who know what they're doing and can turn their immense % deficit into a 2-Stock in three seconds.

I am aware of what the kill moves actually are (Bouncing Fish Offstage, Upsmash, F/Dsmash near ledge), but I have so much trouble getting setups for them. I think in my time in the Wii U exclusively I've successfully sweetspotted like, four u-smashes.

As a secondary issue I have, I'm not sure, given her tools, weather she favors platforms or FD.

Thought I could come here to get some help. Any tips?

 

[Ogopogo]

She can usmash someone on a battlefield platform above her and land the tipper hitbox, which is an amazing killer but hard to hit with. Usually you'll kill with a bouncing fish read/autocombo (from fair or more likely a fair), a gimp (which is petty rare with recovery being to good, and no ledgehogging) or a fair/bair close to the blast zones. Uair kills are really rare after the nerfs but they're still possible. With multihit moves being amazing in this game her fsmash isn't bad either.

 

[Tristan_win]

Well by design sheik is suppose to have trouble killing and it's the only reason really why she not SS tier. Which is why a lot of time and effort has gone into how to fix this problem, here's a few of solutions.

• fthrow and bthrow can somewhat lead into bouncing fish if they DI towards you instead of away which can get you a kill

• Fast fall weak Nair can true combo into bouncing fish around 100% to 125-45% depending on character which can get you the kill
• Vanish kills from the center of FD at 140% with the exception of really heavy characters so landing a vanish at 130% with rage can net you some kills. Even earlier if you land it closer to the side of the stage.
• Dthrow into Uair combos fairly well in the high % so if you read someone air dodge you can punish with a Vanish, which can kill around 90%
• Fsmash is Sheik strongest kill option, landing one near the edge can sometime get you kills around 110% on Mario (who's not exactly lightly)

• Then there's strong tipper Bair which is Sheik 4th strongest kill option, use that to gimp people and watch them cry as you kill them around 115% if not lower depending on where you land it off stage
• Or you could just Gimp them, that usually works.

Sheik might be in the same tier as Diddy Kong but the amount of knowledge you need to get kills with her is MUCH greater. Here's a video to help you: https://new4.fjcdn.com/comments/We all believe in you _ec808c99faaf99ac9198b45643563fa4.webm

 

[Darklink401]

I just D-throw to Uair and it can kill at like 100%. Not sure if its a true combo, but it seems that if you use your double jump immediately after the first one, you will jump fast enough to catch them with uair before they can airdodge.

For an easier time, just shield a fsmash or dash attack/grab, and punish with Fsmash.