Kill Percents for all relevant moves

[kenniky]

Kill percents on all moves/hitboxes that can hit and kill a grounded opponent at 999%.

Multihit moves were tested using the last hitbox only. For attacks such as usmash and the Mechakoopa, only the final hit was considered. The other hits were added on to the existing percentage.

??? indicate hitboxes that should theoretically kill but are almost impossible to land on a standing opponent.

Spoiler: 3DS

~~NOTE: CURRENT AS OF v1.0.8/v1.0.9~~

Testing was done in Training mode, from the respawn position on Omega Gaur Plain against a standing level 1 Mario CPU.

All smashes are uncharged.

|Move|Kill % (3DS)
1|Jab Finisher|186
2|Ftilt|191
3|Utilt|224
4|Dtilt|218
5|Dash Attack (1%)|688
6|Dash Attack (4%)|333
7|Fsmash|109
8|Usmash|119
9|Dsmash|115
10|Nair (6%)|235
11|Nair (5%)|290
12|Nair (3%)|439
13|Fair (11%)|191
14|Fair (9%)|???
15|Fair (8%)|254
16|Fair (6%)|301
17|Fair (5%)|369
18|Fair (4%)|???
19|Bair (14%)|142
20|Bair (8%)|276
21|Uair (10%)|174
22|Uair (6%)|???
23|Dair (landing)|294
24|Fthrow|314
25|Bthrow|210
26|Uthrow|203
27|Dthrow|251
28|Clown Cannon (7%)|316
29|Clown Cannon (4%)|416
30|Clown Kart Dash (4%)|318
31|Clown Kart Dash (5%)|299
32|Clown Kart Dash (7%)|220
33|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 12%)|149
34|Abandon Ship! (Explosion)|153
35|Abandon Ship! (Hammer, 15%)|113
36|Abandon Ship! (Hammer, 10%)|170
37|Mechakoopa|307

Thanks to @ HerpFish for compiling Wii U percentages!

Spoiler: Wii U

~~NOTE: CURRENT AS OF v1.1.0~~

These were tested on a Level 1 Mario CPU on Final Destination. Ledge implies all the way to the ledge.

|Move|Kill % from Middle|Kill % from Ledge
1|Jab Finisher|173|107
2|Ftilt|181|132
3|Utilt|213|213
4|Dtilt|207|154
5|Dash Attack (1%)|659|513
6|Dash Attack (4%)|311|274
7|Fsmash|103|070
8|Fsmash Full Charge|065|045
9|Usmash|113|113
10|Usmash Full Charge|074|074
11|Dsmash|109|078
12|Dsmash Full Charge|069|046
13|Nair (6%)|221|151
14|Nair (5%)|274|198
15|Nair (3%)|416|310
16|Fair (11%)|181|133
17|Fair (9%)|???|???
18|Fair (8%)|241|179
19|Fair (6%)|286|214
20|Fair (5%)|349|266
21|Fair (4%)|???|???
22|Bair (14%)|134|097
23|Bair (8%)|263|205
24|Uair (10%)|166|166
25|Uair (6%)|312|312
26|Dair (Landing)|277|193
27|Fthrow|298|197
28|Bthrow|192|134
29|Uthrow|191|191
30|Dthrow|237|170
31|Clown Cannon No Charge (7% -> 8%)|254|184
32|Clown Cannon No Charge (Falling) (4% -> 5%)|341|248
33|Clown Cannon Half Charge (12% -> 14%)|153|107
34|Clown Cannon Full Charge (18% -> 20%)|106|72
35|Clown Kart Dash (4%)|298 (297 possible)|298 (297 possible)
36|Clown Kart Dash (5%)|285 (284 possible)|285 (284 possible)
37|Clown Kart Dash (6%)|???|???
38|Clown Kart Dash (7%)|210|210
39|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 8%)|189|135
40|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 9%)|172|119
41|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 10%)|161|106
42|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 11%)|149|099
43|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 12%)|139|094
44|Abandon Ship! (Explosion)|144|101
45|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 15%)|104|071
46|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 10%)|160|112
47|Mechakoopa|286|190
48|Mechakoopa (Thrown)|290|193
49|Mechakoopa (Z-Dropped)|289|193

*The Clown Kart Dash's damage dealt is dependent on the speed you are travelling as well as whether or not you are holding in the direction. This applies to the spinout as well; as such, these percentages may vary.

 

[Shrokatii]

this will be very usefull. danke schon

 

[LancerStaff]

Uh... Kinda just wandered in and the thing is that the Wii U version has significantly smaller blastzones. Like, you'll KO 15/20% sooner on most attacks, and obviously that's before freshness and rage.

 

[kenniky]

Uh... Kinda just wandered in and the thing is that the Wii U version has significantly smaller blastzones. Like, you'll KO 15/20% sooner on most attacks, and obviously that's before freshness and rage.

If you want, you can test them. I'll add it to the OP, but this took a long time and I don't really want to do the same tedium over and over again.

Treat these as a percentage you know will definitely kill, even if the move is completely stale.

 

[Weruop]

Knowing that the medium hit of sideb will hit people a bit less higher is very good info to have

 

[HerpFish]

As I have decided that I have nothing better to do, I'm working on the Wii U percentages using the same technique on Final Destination. I may also include percentages from the edge for moves that hit horizontally.

 

[kenniky]

As I have decided that I have nothing better to do, I'm working on the Wii U percentages using the same technique on Final Destination. I may also include percentages from the edge for moves that hit horizontally.

I'll add it to the OP when you're finished. Good luck, don't go crazy

 

[HerpFish]

Wii U Version Kill Percents! I added a few more moves/charge levels as well.

Done on Final Destination from spawn point, training mode, level 1 CPU Mario. Same conditions apply for multi hit moves and smash attacks.

Hope this helps...

Spoiler

|Move|Kill %
1|Jab Finisher|173
2|Ftilt|181
3|Utilt|213
4|Dtilt|207
5|Dash Attack (1%)|659
6|Dash Attack (4%)|311
7|Fsmash|103
8|Fsmash Full Charge|65
9|Usmash|113
10|Usmash Full Charge|74
11|Dsmash|109
12|Dsmash Full Charge|69
13|Nair (6%)|221
14|Nair (5%)|274
15|Nair (3%)|416
16|Fair (11%)|181
17|Fair (9%)|???
18|Fair (8%)|241
19|Fair (6%)|286
20|Fair (5%)|349
21|Fair (4%)|???
22|Bair (14%)|134
23|Bair (8%)|263
24|Uair (10%)|166
25|Uair (6%)|312
26|Dair (Landing)|277
27|Fthrow|298
28|Bthrow|192
29|Uthrow|191
30|Dthrow|237
31|Clown Cannon (7%)|297
32|Clown Cannon (Falling 4%)|392
33|Clown Cannon (Half Charge 12%)|172
34|Clown Cannon (Full Charge 18%)|114
35|Clown Kart Dash (4%)|298 (297 possible)
36|Clown Kart Dash (5%)|285 (284 possible)
37|Clown Kart Dash (6%)|???
38|Clown Kart Dash (7%)|210
39|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 8%)|189
40|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 9%)|172
41|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 10%)|161
42|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 11%)|149
43|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 12%)|139
44|Abandon Ship! (Explosion)|144
45|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 15%)|104
46|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 10%)|160
47|Mechakoopa|286
48|Mechakoopa (Thrown)|290
49|Mechakoopa (Z-Dropped)|289

 

[kenniky]

Wii U Version Kill Percents! I added a few more moves/charge levels as well.

Done on Final Destination from spawn point, training mode, level 1 CPU Mario. Same conditions apply for multi hit moves and smash attacks.

Hope this helps...

|Move|Kill %
1|Jab Finisher|173
2|Ftilt|181
3|Utilt|213
4|Dtilt|207
5|Dash Attack (1%)|659
6|Dash Attack (4%)|311
7|Fsmash|103
8|Fsmash Full Charge|65
9|Usmash|113
10|Usmash Full Charge|74
11|Dsmash|109
12|Dsmash Full Charge|69
13|Nair (6%)|221
14|Nair (5%)|274
15|Nair (3%)|416
16|Fair (11%)|181
17|Fair (9%)|???
18|Fair (8%)|241
19|Fair (6%)|286
20|Fair (5%)|349
21|Fair (4%)|???
22|Bair (14%)|134
23|Bair (8%)|263
24|Uair (10%)|166
25|Uair (6%)|312
26|Dair (Landing)|277
27|Fthrow|298
28|Bthrow|192
29|Uthrow|191
30|Dthrow|237
31|Clown Cannon (7%)|297
32|Clown Cannon (Falling 4%)|392
33|Clown Cannon (Half Charge 12%)|172
34|Clown Cannon (Full Charge 18%)|114
35|Clown Kart Dash (4%)|298 (297 possible)
36|Clown Kart Dash (5%)|285 (284 possible)
37|Clown Kart Dash (6%)|???
38|Clown Kart Dash (7%)|210
39|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 8%)|189
40|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 9%)|172
41|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 10%)|161
42|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 11%)|149
43|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 12%)|139
44|Abandon Ship! (Explosion)|144
45|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 15%)|104
46|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 10%)|160
47|Mechakoopa|286
48|Mechakoopa (Thrown)|290
49|Mechakoopa (Z-Dropped)|289

Cool stuff! I'll add it to the OP.

 

[HerpFish]

Sorry to keep you busy @ kenniky . You can just copy/paste this over the table you put in the OP. Thanks!

Wii U Version Kill Percents! I added a few more moves/charge levels as well.

Done on Final Destination from spawn point, training mode, level 1 CPU Mario. Same conditions apply for multi hit moves and smash attacks.

For kill percents from the ledge, Mario was pushed all the way to... the ledge. Moves that kill via the upper blast zone are marked as NA as horizontal position will not affect their respective kill percents. (I probably could have just edited my first post, but this seems more clear.)

Spoiler

|Move|Kill % from Middle|Kill % from Ledge
1|Jab Finisher|173|107
2|Ftilt|181|132
3|Utilt|213|NA
4|Dtilt|207|154
5|Dash Attack (1%)|659|513
6|Dash Attack (4%)|311|274
7|Fsmash|103|70
8|Fsmash Full Charge|65|45
9|Usmash|113|NA
10|Usmash Full Charge|74|NA
11|Dsmash|109|78
12|Dsmash Full Charge|69|46
13|Nair (6%)|221|151
14|Nair (5%)|274|198
15|Nair (3%)|416|310
16|Fair (11%)|181|133
17|Fair (9%)|???|???
18|Fair (8%)|241|179
19|Fair (6%)|286|214
20|Fair (5%)|349|266
21|Fair (4%)|???|???
22|Bair (14%)|134|97
23|Bair (8%)|263|205
24|Uair (10%)|166|NA
25|Uair (6%)|312|NA
26|Dair (Landing)|277|193
27|Fthrow|298|197
28|Bthrow|192|134
29|Uthrow|191|NA
30|Dthrow|237|170
31|Clown Cannon (7%)|297|217
32|Clown Cannon (Falling 4%)|392|287
33|Clown Cannon (Half Charge 12%)|172|125
34|Clown Cannon (Full Charge 18%)|114|84
35|Clown Kart Dash (4%)|298 (297 possible)|NA
36|Clown Kart Dash (5%)|285 (284 possible)|NA
37|Clown Kart Dash (6%)|???|NA
38|Clown Kart Dash (7%)|210|NA
39|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 8%)|189|135
40|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 9%)|172|119
41|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 10%)|161|106
42|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 11%)|149|99
43|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 12%)|139|94
44|Abandon Ship! (Explosion)|144|101
45|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 15%)|104|71
46|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 10%)|160|112
47|Mechakoopa|286|190
48|Mechakoopa (Thrown)|290|193
49|Mechakoopa (Z-Dropped)|289|193

 

[kenniky]

Sorry to keep you busy @ kenniky . You can just copy/paste this over the table you put in the OP. Thanks!

Wii U Version Kill Percents! I added a few more moves/charge levels as well.

Done on Final Destination from spawn point, training mode, level 1 CPU Mario. Same conditions apply for multi hit moves and smash attacks.

For kill percents from the ledge, Mario was pushed all the way to... the ledge. Moves that kill via the upper blast zone are marked as NA as horizontal position will not affect their respective kill percents. (I probably could have just edited my first post, but this seems more clear.)

|Move|Kill % from Middle|Kill % from Ledge
1|Jab Finisher|173|107
2|Ftilt|181|132
3|Utilt|213|NA
4|Dtilt|207|154
5|Dash Attack (1%)|659|513
6|Dash Attack (4%)|311|274
7|Fsmash|103|70
8|Fsmash Full Charge|65|45
9|Usmash|113|NA
10|Usmash Full Charge|74|NA
11|Dsmash|109|78
12|Dsmash Full Charge|69|46
13|Nair (6%)|221|151
14|Nair (5%)|274|198
15|Nair (3%)|416|310
16|Fair (11%)|181|133
17|Fair (9%)|???|???
18|Fair (8%)|241|179
19|Fair (6%)|286|214
20|Fair (5%)|349|266
21|Fair (4%)|???|???
22|Bair (14%)|134|97
23|Bair (8%)|263|205
24|Uair (10%)|166|NA
25|Uair (6%)|312|NA
26|Dair (Landing)|277|193
27|Fthrow|298|197
28|Bthrow|192|134
29|Uthrow|191|NA
30|Dthrow|237|170
31|Clown Cannon (7%)|297|217
32|Clown Cannon (Falling 4%)|392|287
33|Clown Cannon (Half Charge 12%)|172|125
34|Clown Cannon (Full Charge 18%)|114|84
35|Clown Kart Dash (4%)|298 (297 possible)|NA
36|Clown Kart Dash (5%)|285 (284 possible)|NA
37|Clown Kart Dash (6%)|???|NA
38|Clown Kart Dash (7%)|210|NA
39|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 8%)|189|135
40|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 9%)|172|119
41|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 10%)|161|106
42|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 11%)|149|99
43|Clown Kart Dash (Spinout 12%)|139|94
44|Abandon Ship! (Explosion)|144|101
45|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 15%)|104|71
46|Abandon Ship! (Hammer 10%)|160|112
47|Mechakoopa|286|190
48|Mechakoopa (Thrown)|290|193
49|Mechakoopa (Z-Dropped)|289|193

This is really great. Thanks! :D

 

[ProofByContrapositive]

Does the sideb do more damage if you're holding that direction? Am I reading that right from the bottom of the first post?

 

[kenniky]

Does the sideb do more damage if you're holding that direction? Am I reading that right from the bottom of the first post?

Yes, that's correct. Without holding, it does 4-5%, and if you do hold, it does 6-7%.

I think. That's what testing resulted in, at least.

 

[HerpFish]

Yes, that's correct. Without holding, it does 4-5%, and if you do hold, it does 6-7%.

I think. That's what testing resulted in, at least.

Something I just noticed and should probably clear up, but when I was testing I noticed that the spin out damage is independent of the speed. It depends on when the move connects, the earlier hitboxes doing more damage. An example would be that doing the slow Clown Kart Dash, you can still get the 12% spinout, so this could be a good mixup to bait out a spot dodge to still get the high damage spinout. In theory.

 

[HerpFish]

(Technically a double post, but it's been a while)

Bowser Jr. has recently gotten a buff to the clown cannon, now killing earlier as follows in the Wii U version... (The order is percent from middle, percent from ledge)

No Charge (7% -> 8%): 254, 184
No Charge (Falling) (4% -> 5%): 341, 248
Half Charge (12% -> 14%): 153, 107
Full Charge (18% -> 20%): 106, 72

I would say that this is a pretty significant buff, but it's still the cannon.

 

[kenniky]

(Technically a double post, but it's been a while)

Bowser Jr. has recently gotten a buff to the clown cannon, now killing earlier as follows in the Wii U version... (The order is percent from middle, percent from ledge)

No Charge (7% -> 8%): 254, 184
No Charge (Falling) (4% -> 5%): 341, 248
Half Charge (12% -> 14%): 153, 107
Full Charge (18% -> 20%): 106, 72

I would say that this is a pretty significant buff, but it's still the cannon.

Cool, thanks!

 

[pikazz]

it appears that No Speed SideB kills at 294 instead for 298 while max speed still kills at 210%

 

[HerpFish]

it appears that No Speed SideB kills at 294 instead for 298 while max speed still kills at 210%

I just tested it again and it killed at 299 (the 4% hit). Now I'm a little confused. Are you using the 4% or the 5% hit?

 

[pikazz]

I just tested it again and it killed at 299 (the 4% hit). Now I'm a little confused. Are you using the 4% or the 5% hit?

I am using the 4% hit with "controll" as CPU behavior and Mario on FD

 

[HerpFish]

I am using the 4% hit with "controll" as CPU behavior and Mario on FD

I think I figured it out. If I start as close to Mario as possible without getting the 5% hit, it kills at 294. If I start from the ledge, it kills at 299.

EDIT: The distance between you and the opponent matters, the farther away you are the later it kills. Each hotbox also seems to kill earlier as well. I'm not sure if it's true, but the percentages point towards that.