J-man's New and Definately Improved Team!

[J-man24star]

Well, after going back to the drawing board a bunch of times, i finally come up with a team i think i like, so lets go to pokemon number 1:
* means i haven't trained them yet
Charizard*@ Specs
Nature- Rash
Ability- Blaze
EV- 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 Sp. Defence

Flamethrower
Air Cutter
Dragon Pulse
Focus Blast

Taking complete advice from the raters, charizard is my Las Vegas Pokemon! if lady luck doesn't wanna go out with me, i'll fall back to either Lapras or Espeon, Flamethrower and Air Cutter for STAB, Dragon Pulse for Garchomp and Salemence (and other pokemon weak against dragons) and Focus Blast to protect against rocks like Tyranitar. I know there's room for improvement here, *random moment i think it'd be weird to EV train tyranitar in speed, only base 61-2 or so.

Lucario@Life Orb
Nature- Naughty
Ability- Inner Focus
EV- 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Close Combat
Stone Edge
ExtreemSpeed
Sword's Dance

Physical Sweeper against Tyranitar! heres the formula- Dark + Rock + Lucario= Swords Dance for increase for Attack, Close Combat for STAB, Stone Edge for flying and fire types, extreemspeed for any other occasion against non Ghost Types

Espeon*partially trained in sp. Attack/ 220@WiseLens
Nature- Modest
Ability- Synchronize
EVs*no pun inteded*- 252 Sp. Attack, 252 speed, 6 Sp. Def

Psychic
Shadow Ball
Grass Knot
Calm Mind

Espy is my backup Sp. Sweeper if Charizard Dies, unless Hillary Calls the Troops home. Also an Anti- Gengar. Psychic for stab, Shadow Ball for Gengars and other psychics, Grass Knot for Heavyweights such as Tyranitar, and calm mind to boost sp. attack and def

Lapras*@ Shell Bell
Nature- Calm
Ability- Water Absorb
EVs- 252 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 Sp. Def

Surf
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Perish Song

I Consider this as a fall back if both Charizard and Lucario can't take the heat against an opponent whos been giving me lemons without having a blender. Surf and Ice Beam for Stab and Dragons, Thunderbolt to extend effectiveness, and perish song to ensure a victory when its 4-1^_^ reason i say this, if it's 3 one, opponent could take out 3 pokemon in three turns 'fore it dies.

Umbreon*@ Leftovers
Nature- Gentle
Ability- Synchronize
EV's-252 HP, 252 Sp. Def, 6 Def

Dark Pulse (thinking about changing it to moonshine)
Mean Look
Toxic
Baton Pass

Basic Trapper/ Sp. Wall- Dark pulse for Stab Proctective measures, Mean Look to trap, baton pass to pass it to another team that can take the pokemon down, and Toxic is to poison it before i baton pass

Torterra*@leftovers
nature- adamant
ability- overgrow
EVs- 240 HP, 252 Def, 18 Attack

Wood Hammer
Leech Seed
Toxic
Synthesis

I call this one an Anti-wall/ Physical Wall: Wood Hammer to attack, Leech seed and poison combine to sap the victim's HP, and synthesis for when HP gets low.
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I know there's room for Improvement in the EV department. I got stressed out whether i'd give to much too one stat and not enough to another stat and so on- i'd like some tips for that. I made this before i finished my team, so before i make it, I could change what i was gonna do and use your changes
wanna give a big thanks to Firus, who gave me the gift of Pokerus and an Extra Leftovers.

 

[J-man24star]

Edit: My Espeon has 44 Ev's in or whatever EVs in Special Attack, i forgot to give it the power lens!

 

[drcossack]

Well, after going back to the drawing board a bunch of times, i finally come up with a team i think i like, so lets go to pokemon number 1:
* means i haven't trained them yet
Charizard*@ Choice Specs or Scarf
Nature- Modest
Ability- Blaze
EV- 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Flamethrower
Air Cutter
Dragon Pulse
Focus Blast

Wide Lens for Accuracy, Flamethrower and Air Cutter for STAB, Dragon Pulse for Garchomp and Salemence (and other pokemon weak against dragons) and Focus Blast to protect against rocks like Tyranitar. I know there's room for improvement here, i still think it'd be weird to EV train tyranitar in speed, only base 61-2 or so.

Rash is +SpA and -SpD. Modest is +SpA and -Atk. Also, Charizard's max Special Attack with a +Nature is 348 (2 points weaker than SpecsMence); you probably won't be OHKO'ing Garchomp or Salamence without Specs.

BTW, Charizard isn't completely safe against Tyranitar. I sacrificed a boost to Attack through Choice Band to boost his low Speed (208) with Choice Scarf. Charizard and Salamence can't safely switch in to take advantage of T-Tar with Focus Blast or Earthquake.

No comments on your other Pokemon, I've gotta go.

 

[J-man24star]

AH! you kidding me!? well, back to ye old breeding board. gah.

 

[J-man24star]

Rash is +SpA and -SpD. Modest is +SpA and -Atk. Also, Charizard's max Special Attack with a +Nature is 348 (2 points weaker than SpecsMence); you probably won't be OHKO'ing Garchomp or Salamence without Specs.

BTW, Charizard isn't completely safe against Tyranitar. I sacrificed a boost to Attack through Choice Band to boost his low Speed (208) with Choice Scarf. Charizard and Salamence can't safely switch in to take advantage of T-Tar with Focus Blast or Earthquake.

No comments on your other Pokemon, I've gotta go.

Wait, i checked the Chart, Rash is +Sp. Attack and -Sp. Def! how is Dat bad?!

 

[9Kplus1]

Wait, i checked the Chart, Rash is +Sp. Attack and -Sp. Def! how is Dat bad?! It's a Charizard... with no physical moves

Ladies and gents, best post evar.

You have the EVs and natures partially right, however, this team lacks a real plan for battling. My guess is that you'll go in "all gunz a' blazin" , right ? Also, your movesets need work.

For the love of god, before posting another RMT, try researching your Pokemon and their USEABLE sets here- Smogon.com

Also, lol @ Moonshine.

 

[J-man24star]

well, instead of telling me my team needs work Tell me WHERE my team needs work at!

 

[J-man24star]

Ladies and gents, best post evar.

You have the EVs and natures partially right, however, this team lacks a real plan for battling. My guess is that you'll go in "all gunz a' blazin" , right ? Also, your movesets need work.

For the love of god, before posting another RMT, try researching your Pokemon and their USEABLE sets here- Smogon.com

Also, lol @ Moonshine.

Uh....... CHARIZARD IS A SPECIAL ATTACK MACHINE!!!!!!!!!! Charizard specializes at special attack, thats why he has a special attack moveset, because he DOESN'T specialize in Attack. sheesh Why Make Espeon a Baton Passer? When it's Special Attack, Speed, And Unnormal Special Defense for a Sweeper make it a great Sweeper? My Lucario has the same moveset as the most popular form of Lucario out there! , Why Give Torterra a Special Attack move, when it Sux at Sp. Attack? Torterra is Made for a Physicle Wall with elements of a Physicle Sweeper! Lapras has a commonly used moveset, except i have Perish Song Attatched to it. Umbreon looks fine.

Ps. Don't lock this thread, it's totaly Legit and i wanna get REAL help from the Real Raters
Pss. why post my strategy? so you can take a look at it and know what i'll do when i play you online?
Pss. I researched my pokemon to extent that i know what it's strengths and Weaknesses are gonna be.

 

[drcossack]

Wait, i checked the Chart, Rash is +Sp. Attack and -Sp. Def! how is Dat bad?!

It's true that SpecsZard doesn't need attack. With a Rash nature, if it gets hit by ANY Water attack, it's going to die:

With no EV's and a Modest Nature, your Zard will have 206 Sp. Def. It has 185 with Rash as it's nature with no EV's.

 

[J-man24star]

It's true that SpecsZard doesn't need attack. With a Rash nature, if it gets hit by ANY Water attack, it's going to die:

With no EV's and a Modest Nature, your Zard will have 206 Sp. Def. It has 185 with Rash as it's nature with no EV's.

well, depends if i'm dumb enough to let a 'Zard out fighting a Rock or water type. actually, to tell you the truth, when i played my rival in Firered everytime, i let my Charizard fight his Blastoise to show Superiorty that type doesn't matter, i won most of the time. I have a question- How long does a typical Sweeper last anyway?

 

[drcossack]

well, depends if i'm dumb enough to let a 'Zard out fighting a Rock or water type. actually, to tell you the truth, when i played my rival in Firered everytime, i let my Charizard fight his Blastoise to show Superiorty that type doesn't matter, i won most of the time. I have a question- How long does a typical Sweeper last anyway?

A match on Shoddy from earlier:

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
drcossack sent out Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ?).
Sentry44 sent out Alalalakazam (lvl 100 Alakazam ?).
drcossack switched in Weavile (lvl 100 Weavile ?).
Weavile is exerting its pressure!
Alalalakazam used Psychic.
It doesn't affect Weavile...
---
Weavile used Pursuit.
It's super effective!
Alalalakazam lost 100% of its health.
Alalalakazam hung on using its Focus Sash!
Alalalakazam used Grass Knot.
Weavile lost 27% of its health.
---
Weavile used Pursuit.
It's super effective!
Alalalakazam lost 0% of its health.
Sentry44's Alalalakazam fainted.
---
Sentry44 switched in Ice Prince (lvl 100 Weavile ?).
Ice Prince is exerting its pressure!
drcossack switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune).
Suicune is exerting its pressure!
Ice Prince used Brick Break.
Suicune lost 19% of its health.
Ice Prince lost 10% of its health.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Scizor-Se (lvl 100 Scizor ?).
Suicune used Surf.
A critical hit!
Scizor-Se lost 91% of its health.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Scizor-Se used X-Scissor.
Suicune lost 41% of its health.
Suicune used Surf.
Scizor-Se lost 9% of its health.
Sentry44's Scizor-Se fainted.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Snowman (lvl 100 Abomasnow ?).
Snowman's Snow Warning whipped up a hailstorm!
Hail began to fall!
drcossack switched in Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ?).
Snowman used Energy Ball.
It's not very effective...
Gengar lost 29% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gengar is pelted by hail!
Gengar lost 6% of its health.
---
Gengar used Focus Blast.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Snowman lost 100% of its health.
Sentry44's Snowman fainted.
Gengar lost 10% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gengar is pelted by hail!
Gengar lost 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Fluffy Pillow (lvl 100 Mamoswine ?).
Gengar used Focus Blast.
It's super effective!
Fluffy Pillow lost 100% of its health.
Sentry44's Fluffy Pillow fainted.
Gengar lost 10% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gengar is pelted by hail!
Gengar lost 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Ice Prince (lvl 100 Weavile ?).
Ice Prince is exerting its pressure!
Gengar used Focus Blast.
It's super effective!
Ice Prince lost 90% of its health.
Sentry44's Ice Prince fainted.
Gengar lost 10% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gengar is pelted by hail!
Gengar lost 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Lucarryio (lvl 100 Lucario ?).
Gengar used Focus Blast.
It's super effective!
Lucarryio lost 100% of its health.
Sentry44's Lucarryio fainted.
drcossack wins!
drcossack: gg
Sentry44: lol gg

Note the bolded. I should've lost to the Weavile though.

 

[(*Jman*)]

hey im the real jman ^_- and i play pokemon too >_>

but i play the card game ^_^

 

[0RLY]

OMG The Gengar counter, Weavile, was defeated! OMG! Focus Blast didn't miss AT ALL! You sir, are the luckiest man alive, if that was a tournament, I would've cried and **** myself.

 

[drcossack]

OMG The Gengar counter, Weavile, was defeated! OMG! Focus Blast didn't miss AT ALL! You sir, are the luckiest man alive, if that was a tournament, I would've cried and **** myself.

That's not why, lol.

I was surprised my Gengar outsped it is all.

 

[J-man24star]

hey im the real jman ^_- and i play pokemon too >_>

but i play the card game ^_^

Than how come i haven't seen you on these boards till today,

instead of talking about Weavile Dying. let's talk about my team!

 

[J-man24star]

A match on Shoddy from earlier:

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
drcossack sent out Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ?).
Sentry44 sent out Alalalakazam (lvl 100 Alakazam ?).
drcossack switched in Weavile (lvl 100 Weavile ?).
Weavile is exerting its pressure!
Alalalakazam used Psychic.
It doesn't affect Weavile...
---
Weavile used Pursuit.
It's super effective!
Alalalakazam lost 100% of its health.
Alalalakazam hung on using its Focus Sash!
Alalalakazam used Grass Knot.
Weavile lost 27% of its health.
---
Weavile used Pursuit.
It's super effective!
Alalalakazam lost 0% of its health.
Sentry44's Alalalakazam fainted.
---
Sentry44 switched in Ice Prince (lvl 100 Weavile ?).
Ice Prince is exerting its pressure!
drcossack switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune).
Suicune is exerting its pressure!
Ice Prince used Brick Break.
Suicune lost 19% of its health.
Ice Prince lost 10% of its health.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Scizor-Se (lvl 100 Scizor ?).
Suicune used Surf.
A critical hit!
Scizor-Se lost 91% of its health.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Scizor-Se used X-Scissor.
Suicune lost 41% of its health.
Suicune used Surf.
Scizor-Se lost 9% of its health.
Sentry44's Scizor-Se fainted.
Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little!
Suicune restored 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Snowman (lvl 100 Abomasnow ?).
Snowman's Snow Warning whipped up a hailstorm!
Hail began to fall!
drcossack switched in Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ?).
Snowman used Energy Ball.
It's not very effective...
Gengar lost 29% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gengar is pelted by hail!
Gengar lost 6% of its health.
---
Gengar used Focus Blast.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Snowman lost 100% of its health.
Sentry44's Snowman fainted.
Gengar lost 10% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gengar is pelted by hail!
Gengar lost 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Fluffy Pillow (lvl 100 Mamoswine ?).
Gengar used Focus Blast.
It's super effective!
Fluffy Pillow lost 100% of its health.
Sentry44's Fluffy Pillow fainted.
Gengar lost 10% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gengar is pelted by hail!
Gengar lost 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Ice Prince (lvl 100 Weavile ?).
Ice Prince is exerting its pressure!
Gengar used Focus Blast.
It's super effective!
Ice Prince lost 90% of its health.
Sentry44's Ice Prince fainted.
Gengar lost 10% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gengar is pelted by hail!
Gengar lost 6% of its health.
---
Sentry44 switched in Lucarryio (lvl 100 Lucario ?).
Gengar used Focus Blast.
It's super effective!
Lucarryio lost 100% of its health.
Sentry44's Lucarryio fainted.
drcossack wins!
drcossack: gg
Sentry44: lol gg

Note the bolded. I should've lost to the Weavile though.

Ah i see, a typical Sweeper lasts as long as its the fastest, has type protection, and a smart trainer to boot, so it could last a long time.

 

[marthsword]

Stop making RMT's and go to smogon.com. There are movesets for all the pokemon and a few of the not fully evolved ones (trapinch, clamperl, pikachu). They captured all the standard sets, and even some obscure ones with EV spreads and in depth comments.

Also, try shoddybattle.com.

 

[J-man24star]

So, you're saying let's just close down The RTM section? or you say you're lazy and don't feel like rating my team. If you haven't noticed, noone has bothered to EVEN rate my team atall, i pmed Firus just to personally rate my team. you know, smogon is a load of crap, i mean, a baton passing espeon? get real! it's pure special sweeper!

 

[drcossack]

So, you're saying let's just close down The RTM section? or you say you're lazy and don't feel like rating my team. If you haven't noticed, noone has bothered to EVEN rate my team atall, i pmed Firus just to personally rate my team. you know, smogon is a load of crap, i mean, a baton passing espeon? get real! it's pure special sweeper!

Did it ever occur to you that, oh, idk, it's BAD?

Also, you fail for having Air Cutter on a Charizard. He can't learn that attack.

Keep using your hacked movesets.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Hey J-Man. This is a bit off topic and such, but are you the same one from the one on Smogon?

 

[Pink Reaper]

Ok J-Man, Im going to explain it thoroughly since you seem to be getting confused with the whole "Rash/Modest" thing.

Modest is +SpAtk/-Atk
Rash is +SpAtk/-SpDef

Your Charizard has NO physical moves. NONE. Which means if it has a -Atk nature, NOTHING happens because it has no physical moves to be affected. However, if you use a -SpDef Nature, your non existant(READ: THEY DON'T EXIST, YOU HAVE NONE, WHICH IS WHY MODEST >>>>>> RASH) physical attacks will be at full power and you'll take MORE damage from special attacks.

As for your team, Espeon doesn't make for a good sweeper. It has a poor move pool(your basically using all of its viable special attacks on that set other than maybe Hidden Power) and the moves you gave it mean it will fail to do anything to Weavile who OHKO's you with Pursuit and has the added bonuses of being faster than you, immune to your STAB move, resists Shadow Ball and takes almost nothing from Grass Knot. GG.

Also, your team is sorely lacking in the Earthquake area. What are you going to do when your Charizard dies and you come up against a Magnezone? Or what about when lapras dies and you find yourself against the even more common Scarftran?

Your also lacking a spinner which means Charizard loses 50% of his health whenever he switches into Stealth rocks and Lapras loses 25% meaning she wont be able to play back up to your other pokemon.

 

[marthsword]

You want me to rate your freaking team? Fine. First off, Espeon is better suited as a baton passer because of its terrible movepool, like all the other eeveelutions. Let's look at it's special movepool. The ONLY special moves it gets ever worth using are grass knot, shadow ball, and psychic. Weavile, scarftran, magnezone, and more resist all our attacks, and Weavile will OHKO on the switch with pursuit. However, pursuit doesn't catch us if we switch with baton pass. Because of the extremely limited movepool, Espeon is can't do too much, and with access to a gamebreaking move like baton pass, and calm mind and substitute, it's a great reason to use it.

Here's a better moveset, a famous one called espyjump.

Espeon@Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
Nature: Timid
196 HP / 122 SpD / 192 Spd
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Baton Pass
- Psychic

Sub on something weak, and calm mind behind the sub to make it hard to break. Psychic for a poweful STAB move if you get a chance, and pass the sub and calm minds.

Charizard*@ Specs
Nature- Rash
Ability- Blaze
EV- 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 Sp. Defence

Flamethrower
Air Cutter
Dragon Pulse
Focus Blast

Taking complete advice from the raters, charizard is my Las Vegas Pokemon! if lady luck doesn't wanna go out with me, i'll fall back to either Lapras or Espeon, Flamethrower and Air Cutter for STAB, Dragon Pulse for Garchomp and Salemence (and other pokemon weak against dragons) and Focus Blast to protect against rocks like Tyranitar. I know there's room for improvement here, *random moment i think it'd be weird to EV train tyranitar in speed, only base 61-2 or so.

Wow. It doesn't learn air cutter. It learns air slash. Overheat is nice over flamethrower, since it doesn't look like you'll be staying in too long. You're playing ingame, so I know you can't really get the right IV's, but I prefer HP electric over air slash for gyarados. Even though your team has lapras with thunder bolt, stone edge can 2HKO I think, and with a wacan berry, he might beat you to the KO. HP Grass is also really good.

And for the last time, Modest>>>>>Rash. Timid would also work well. And you should have put those 4 SpD EV's into defense.

And with charizard, you REALLY need some rapid spin support. Donphan, Starmie, Tentacruel, and Forretress are the big rapid spinners.

Lucario@Life Orb
Nature- Naughty
Ability- Inner Focus
EV- 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Close Combat
Stone Edge
ExtreemSpeed
Sword's Dance

Physical Sweeper against Tyranitar! heres the formula- Dark + Rock + Lucario= Swords Dance for increase for Attack, Close Combat for STAB, Stone Edge for flying and fire types, extreemspeed for any other occasion against non Ghost Types

Standard SD Luke. Good. And you did the exact same thing as with charizard. You gave him a nature that plused the only attack stat he used and minused his special defense stat instead of minusing the attack stat he doesn't use. What do you have against special defense anyway?

Also, Lucario doesn't exactly counter tyranitar, but it can do very well against the CB set.

Espeon*partially trained in sp. Attack/ 220@WiseLens
Nature- Modest
Ability- Synchronize
EVs*no pun inteded*- 252 Sp. Attack, 252 speed, 6 Sp. Def

Psychic
Shadow Ball
Grass Knot
Calm Mind

Espy is my backup Sp. Sweeper if Charizard Dies, unless Hillary Calls the Troops home. Also an Anti- Gengar. Psychic for stab, Shadow Ball for Gengars and other psychics, Grass Knot for Heavyweights such as Tyranitar, and calm mind to boost sp. attack and def

Read the above comments and give her timid.

Lapras*@ Shell Bell
Nature- Calm
Ability- Water Absorb
EVs- 252 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 Sp. Def

Surf
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Perish Song

I Consider this as a fall back if both Charizard and Lucario can't take the heat against an opponent whos been giving me lemons without having a blender. Surf and Ice Beam for Stab and Dragons, Thunderbolt to extend effectiveness, and perish song to ensure a victory when its 4-1^_^ reason i say this, if it's 3 one, opponent could take out 3 pokemon in three turns 'fore it dies.

No Perish song. HP Ground over perish song and toxic or sing over surf. You need the status and the ground attacks. I suggest resttalk lapras though with boltbeam. However, you really need the rapid spin support so a bolt beam spinner starmie might work well in his place.

Umbreon*@ Leftovers
Nature- Gentle
Ability- Synchronize
EV's-252 HP, 252 Sp. Def, 6 Def

Dark Pulse (thinking about changing it to moonshine)
Mean Look
Toxic
Baton Pass

Basic Trapper/ Sp. Wall- Dark pulse for Stab Proctective measures, Mean Look to trap, baton pass to pass it to another team that can take the pokemon down, and Toxic is to poison it before i baton pass

I don't like toxic trappers or mean look passers...And moonshine is homebrewed alcohol, not a move. Bold/Careful, EV's are off. I'm sure a lot of pokemon could fill this role better. You need rapid spin support, a stealth rocker, maybe a wish passer, a phazer...figure it out from there.

Torterra*@leftovers
nature- adamant
ability- overgrow
EVs- 240 HP, 252 Def, 18 Attack

Wood Hammer
Leech Seed
Toxic
Synthesis

I call this one an Anti-wall/ Physical Wall: Wood Hammer to attack, Leech seed and poison combine to sap the victim's HP, and synthesis for when HP gets low.

Wood Hammer, Earthquake/Stone Edge, Leech Seed, Protect/Stealth Rock. Wood Hammer for Stab. Earthquake and Stone Edge because you greatly need them, leech seed for sapping. Protect to keep leech seeding going or stealth rock, since you don't have any. EV's need a lot of work, and adamant with a defensive set with one attack? Are you serious? Give it impish. I don't really
know about torterra though. Maybe Gliscor? He can earthquake, wall physically even better, set up stealth rock very well, and pass well too.
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You fail at natures and at EV's. Really, smogon.com is the best site to learn from. You really need a rapid spinner if you want to keep charizard on the team, stealth rockers are always nice too. I like to have wish passers like Vaporeon and Jirachi on my teams to heal the sweepers. I'm not familiar with using a lot of your pokemon, so I may not be giving the best advice, but I know some of it is right. Get familiar with all the different supporting pokemon roles and see how they could aid your team.

Most of all, you REALLY need the rock and ground coverage, which you have like none of. Quake sliders like Aerodactyl and Dugtrio are really awesome, especially Aerodactyl since he can lead, taunt you and screw you up. outspeed everthing, and quake slide to hell.

Your coverage is really off altogether. Rock, ground, and ice, are probably top tier type attacks. High tier would be something like electric, dark, and fighting, and fire.
It is essential to have all this coverage on a team, and know where to put them. Ice and electric go excellently together, as do rock and ground. It's also very good to be able to have a unique set to trick your opponent. Like a spec'd dugtrio or something. Putting a scarf and fast pokemon can also make you pretty unpredictable.

 

[-k0Mbo]

Charizard*@ Specs
Nature- Rash
Ability- Blaze
EV- 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 6 Sp. Defence

Flamethrower
Air Cutter
Dragon Pulse
Focus Blast

If you want to keep SpA Nature, go with Modest. Modest is SpA+, Atk-. This is ideal because none of you attacks are physical anyways.
But, I suggest a Spe Nature.
Timid is Spe+,Atk-. Being able to outspeed Pokemon is a valuable asset, Charizard is pretty darn fast.

But that is personal preference, for your set go: Modest/Timid.

 

[9Kplus1]

So, you're saying let's just close down The RTM section? or you say you're lazy and don't feel like rating my team. If you haven't noticed, noone has bothered to EVEN rate my team atall, i pmed Firus just to personally rate my team. you know, smogon is a load of crap, i mean, a baton passing espeon? get real! it's pure special sweeper!

I'll go ahead and respond to this.

That was the most dumbshit comment I've seen since you've posted here. First off, Espeon has a base 110 speed and base 95 SpDefense, it's an exceptional Baton Passer. I don't think you should be saying that Smogon is crap since I can bet that anyone there can pwn you <_<.

Also, you have a severe Gyarados weakness (<_< 6-0).

 

[ss118]

This isn't getting anywhere. Obviously he's being oblivious to the suggestions you guys are making, so let him sink if he wants to. It won't be any of your faults when it happens.

HOWEVER, just because he's a n00bish player doesn't give ya'll the right to insult him. That goes to the topic starter too: people suggest changes because they care. This is a community, so get used to criticism.

If I had it my way, I would close this topic and be sending out a couple of infractions. Alas, I don't post consistently enough to get mod status, and I probably won't anytime soon, or ever. But I suggest stopping this right now: if you don't pos stuff constructive, please don't post at all.
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Sorry for mimi-modding, Chill, but stuff like this gets on my nerves more than tweezers during brain surgery.

 

[9Kplus1]

This isn't getting anywhere. Obviously he's being oblivious to the suggestions you guys are making, so let him sink if he wants to. It won't be any of your faults when it happens.

HOWEVER, just because he's a n00bish player doesn't give ya'll the right to insult him. That goes to the topic starter too: people suggest changes because they care. This is a community, so get used to criticism.

If I had it my way, I would close this topic and be sending out a couple of infractions. Alas, I don't post consistently enough to get mod status, and I probably won't anytime soon, or ever. But I suggest stopping this right now: if you don't pos stuff constructive, please don't post at all.
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Sorry for mimi-modding, Chill, but stuff like this gets on my nerves more than tweezers during brain surgery.

Yeah! What he said !

 

[J-man24star]

I'll go ahead and respond to this.

That was the most dumbshit comment I've seen since you've posted here. First off, Espeon has a base 110 speed and base 95 SpDefense, it's an exceptional Baton Passer. I don't think you should be saying that Smogon is crap since I can bet that anyone there can pwn you <_<.

Also, you have a severe Gyarados weakness (<_< 6-0).

aren't you forgetting it's base 120 special attack? seriously? i don't get that.maybe thats why all the eeveelutions have a small movepool, because they have uber stats, but with too many moves, they could be broken...


watching you guys flame me without me talking anybit is funny....

 

[J-man24star]

This isn't getting anywhere. Obviously he's being oblivious to the suggestions you guys are making, so let him sink if he wants to. It won't be any of your faults when it happens.

HOWEVER, just because he's a n00bish player doesn't give ya'll the right to insult him. That goes to the topic starter too: people suggest changes because they care. This is a community, so get used to criticism.

If I had it my way, I would close this topic and be sending out a couple of infractions. Alas, I don't post consistently enough to get mod status, and I probably won't anytime soon, or ever. But I suggest stopping this right now: if you don't pos stuff constructive, please don't post at all.
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Sorry for mimi-modding, Chill, but stuff like this gets on my nerves more than tweezers during brain surgery.

for a long time, none of you guys were REALLY helping me out.... all you were saying was stuff like "you got the wrong evs" or "you have the wrong movesets" i can't really call that help, now can i? you guys were telling me what was wrong, and noone was telling me what i could do to actually improve my team.... witch i am revising....


btw, what would complete this team?


Specs Glaceon- btw, with specs and maxed ev sp attack, Glaceon has a sp attack over 500! plus, amazing def makes it a good sweeper
Physical Infernape
Physical Sponge Torterra
Special Wall Empoleon
Double Status Gengar

 

[ss118]

OK, let's look at the main suggestion people gave:

On your Charizard set, you have a Rash nature. Rash is +Sp. Attack, -Sp. Defense. Because of this, you die 100% to Nidoking's Choice Scarf Thunderbolt.
If you were to change the nature to Modest like everyone has been saying, then you can survive that one hit from Nidoking and OHKO it back with Flamethrower.

Also, just because his Sp. Attack stat is higher does NOT mean it should be used purely for Sp. Attacking. You have to take account of his movepool. He has less of a physical movepool, but Charizard does have one saving grace: Blaze and Belly Drum. This, coupled with his 100 Base Speed, allows him to easily sweep teams when played right.

It's is usually played like this:

Charizard @ Salac Berry
Blaze: Adamant
252 Attack, 252 Speed, the last four usually don't matter, but make sure your HP is divisible by four at all times.
Fire Punch
Earthquake
Substitute / Fly(Bulky Waters) / Double-Edge(same)
Belly Drum

But that's beside the point. The point is, people have been trying to help you the WHOLE ****ING TIME! When people said "change this": that was help! And people WERE giving suggestions on how to fix the teram: back to the Charizard argument, people were suggesting Modest oer Rash! They figured something WRONG and tried to make it RIGHT.

Notice I didn't demean you or anything of the sort.

 

[J-man24star]

OK, let's look at the main suggestion people gave:

On your Charizard set, you have a Rash nature. Rash is +Sp. Attack, -Sp. Defense. Because of this, you die 100% to Nidoking's Choice Scarf Thunderbolt.
If you were to change the nature to Modest like everyone has been saying, then you can survive that one hit from Nidoking and OHKO it back with Flamethrower.

Also, just because his Sp. Attack stat is higher does NOT mean it should be used purely for Sp. Attacking. You have to take account of his movepool. He has less of a physical movepool, but Charizard does have one saving grace: Blaze and Belly Drum. This, coupled with his 100 Base Speed, allows him to easily sweep teams when played right.

It's is usually played like this:

Charizard @ Salac Berry
Blaze: Adamant
252 Attack, 252 Speed, the last four usually don't matter, but make sure your HP is divisible by four at all times.
Fire Punch
Earthquake
Substitute / Fly(Bulky Waters) / Double-Edge(same)
Belly Drum

But that's beside the point. The point is, people have been trying to help you the WHOLE ****ING TIME! When people said "change this": that was help! And people WERE giving suggestions on how to fix the teram: back to the Charizard argument, people were suggesting Modest oer Rash! They figured something WRONG and tried to make it RIGHT.

Notice I didn't demean you or anything of the sort.

did i ever mention the fact that i'd CHANGE my charizard to Modest?

Thats all you guys are focusing on really!

i just said i was changing my team (read last post by me). i use smogon now. the only thing i don't like about smogon is that it doesn't really have a TRUE form of improving your team. that Tutor thing is just load of wasted time.... all you do is battle and it doesn't say much elsewhere...

 

[9Kplus1]

Oh my god, I swear, I just wanna battle you. Just for the heck of it. Your the best Pokemon Trainder I've seen in my time here.

 

[ss118]

Oh my god, I swear, I just wanna battle you. Just for the heck of it. Your the best Pokemon Trainder I've seen in my time here.

I'm not sure if your talking about J-man or me, but either way I hope that's sarcasm.

 

[9Kplus1]

I'm not sure if your talking about J-man or me, but either way I hope that's sarcasm.

J-Man, and it is soooooo not sarcastic.

 

[J-man24star]

J-Man, and it is soooooo not sarcastic.

yeah right... i can see sarcasm and lies and that is the most rediculous lie i've seen. I just want to know what freaking can complete this team!

Specs Glace
Physicle Infernape
Physicle Sponge Torterra
Special Wall Empoleon
Two Status Gengar

 

[9Kplus1]

yeah right... i can see sarcasm and lies and that is the most rediculous lie i've seen. I just want to know what freaking can complete this team!

Specs Glace- A base 65 speed makes it GREEEEAAAT sweeper.
Physicle Infernape- What the... ? Standard Nape kicks the crap out of an all physical Nape...
Physicle Sponge Torterra- Whatever.
Special Wall Empoleon- Whatever
Two Status Gengar- I guees so...

What you ever heard this phrase before ?

"Gyarados can 6-0 this team if it gets a DD under its belt"

That kinda applies to your team VERY well.

 

[J-man24star]

What you ever heard this phrase before ?

"Gyarados can 6-0 this team if it gets a DD under its belt"

That kinda applies to your team VERY well.

right.... like three moves can take this team out
when gengar has thunderbolt....

look, if thats all your are gonna say, then don't bother rating my team... the rules forbid just saying that...

 

[marthsword]

right.... like three moves can take this team out
when gengar has thunderbolt....

look, if thats all your are gonna say, then don't bother rating my team... the rules forbid just saying that...

Shut up about the rules. He has helped you with your team, but you're not even listening. Whenever we give you advice, you say it's incorrect or contradict what's been said. Example:

Poster: "Espeon's access to baton pass should be taken advantage of due to it being one of the few good calm mind passers, access to sub as well, good special defense, and speed to pull off a sub without getting hit. It also has too limited number of options to work well, literally only psychic, grass knot, and shadow ball. It's also outclassed as a sweeper by alakazam, so because of these reasons it's much better off as a baton passer."

Now you respond completely contradicting what they're saying thinking you're the only one that's right. You're not willing to change parts of your team that need fixing because you think you know more than they do, which you don't, so don't say we're not helping you.

And FYI, after gyarados gets a dd he's going to outspeed your gengar. Just having thunderbolt on him doesn't mean he's a counter. He can't switch in on him.

Bye.

 

[J-man24star]

Shut up about the rules. He has helped you with your team, but you're not even listening. Whenever we give you advice, you say it's incorrect or contradict what's been said. Example:

Poster: "Espeon's access to baton pass should be taken advantage of due to it being one of the few good calm mind passers, access to sub as well, good special defense, and speed to pull off a sub without getting hit. It also has too limited number of options to work well, literally only psychic, grass knot, and shadow ball. It's also outclassed as a sweeper by alakazam, so because of these reasons it's much better off as a baton passer."
why do you overlook it's Sp. Attack Stat? i know it has a small movepool, but it can forage something with its moves+ a good speed coverage
Now you respond completely contradicting what they're saying thinking you're the only one that's right.
You guys completely ignore what i SAID!!! i'm freaking giving up espeon
You're not willing to change parts of your team that need fixing because you think you know more than they do, which you don't, so don't say we're not helping you.
I did, you guys are so stuck up with flaming me that you can't realize what i'm saying
And FYI, after gyarados gets a dd he's going to outspeed your gengar. Just having thunderbolt on him doesn't mean he's a counter. He can't switch in on him.
doesn't mean i can't OHKO him before he pulls off dragon dance... if things are right
Bye.

you, if you just go around saying screw the rules, you should be removed from your moderating position, because you were hired to enforce the rules, not say screw them.

you guys are so stuck up with flaming people who make mistakes on there team and don't help them out when they themselves suggested a change.

maybe you're right, maybe you should get rid of the RMT section, you guys don't do a good job.... at all...

 

[marthsword]

you, if you just go around saying screw the rules, you should be removed from your moderating position, because you were hired to enforce the rules, not say screw them.

you guys are so stuck up with flaming people who make mistakes on there team and don't help them out when they themselves suggested a change.

maybe you're right, maybe you should get rid of the RMT section, you guys don't do a good job.... at all...

I was not going to post again, but I'm just posting to clear things up, I am no moderator, I guess you got me confused with Chill because of the avatar. Chill's name is in red, mine is in yellow.

You don't understand the rules clearly in this situation, and I explained why in the aforementioned post.

And please, learn to read, we did help you and we're not flaming you. You clearly don't understand what flaming is. We don't "flame" people who make mistakes on there team, just people who are to ignorant to make changes to their team and claim they know more than a person who suggests change, and continues to do this and doesn't bother learning any more about competitive battling between threads.

If I say anymore I'm going to stop being calm and actually flame you, so I'll stop here. Bye.

 

[J-man24star]

name one person who actually "helped" besides the guy who ACTUALLY helped with Torterra
seriously, i gave up espeon and charizard.... and i just want a friggin suggestion for who can complete this team, i dont care about the "gyradose" weakness

Specs Glaceon
Physicle Infernape
Physicle Wall Torterra
Special Wall Empoleon
Two Status Gengar

Please, i want suggestions, not insults and saying suckish things...