Is Chaingrabbing as simple as regrabbing their DI?

[Jackson]

When chaingrabbing the characters that it works on, can you just turnaround and regrab or do you need to pivot grab or something? Just wondering if there's any needed techniques besides JC grab.

 

[Seal]

If they DI away then boost grab them (dash attack cancelled grab).

 

[Jackson]

If they DI away then boost grab them (dash attack cancelled grab).

Sure, I'm comfortable with boost grab. Is that all that's really necessary?

 

[EddyBearr]

Kind of, but there's a lot of little optimizations to make.

 

[Jackson]

Kind of, but there's a lot of little optimizations to make.

Interesting. Mind going into it?

 

[EddyBearr]

I can't really be detailed, but knowing whether you should regrab, u-tlt, f-tilt, nair.. all these options, out of a d-throw. It kinda comes with experience.

 

[Jackson]

I can't really be detailed, but knowing whether you should regrab, u-tlt, f-tilt, nair.. all these options, out of a d-throw. It kinda comes with experience.

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I literally started playing Sheik like five days ago so this stuff will take me a while lol

 

[1000g2g3g4g800999]

You can also try jab to grab when they DI such that they can't get an aerial off after hitstun (where this is changes based on percent) and in situations where you would need to move forward to grab but the timing is tight (jab reaches much farther forward than grab). You usually don't need boostgrab to continue a CG, and if you want to keep them closer to where you started, walk forward grab or regular dash grab can be used. For extra percent, if you aren't already doing this, pummel an extra time where you normally would have thrown, and hold down on the c-stick.

 

[AbraxasHydroplane]

You can also try jab to grab when they DI such that they can't get an aerial off after hitstun (where this is changes based on percent) and in situations where you would need to move forward to grab but the timing is tight (jab reaches much farther forward than grab).

The issue here is that they can very easily double jump out of the jab, since there is negligible hitstun. It does work if the opponent doesn't know this, but to anybody who does it's no longer a usable option unfortunately.

 

[1000g2g3g4g800999]

The issue here is that they can very easily double jump out of the jab, since there is negligible hitstun. It does work if the opponent doesn't know this, but to anybody who does it's no longer a usable option unfortunately.

Negligible hitstun, again, depends on percent. And you can jab again before they can ever jump at pretty much any percent (unless they SDI out), or otherwise catch it. This also works best when they aren't expecting it because of the other things you can do to continue the CG. Chances are them jumping leaves you in a better position in the end anyway. A decentish option select is to jab->utilt and potentially get a grab other just keep doing Sheik things.

 

[Jackson]

You can also try jab to grab when they DI such that they can't get an aerial off after hitstun (where this is changes based on percent) and in situations where you would need to move forward to grab but the timing is tight (jab reaches much farther forward than grab). You usually don't need boostgrab to continue a CG, and if you want to keep them closer to where you started, walk forward grab or regular dash grab can be used. For extra percent, if you aren't already doing this, pummel an extra time where you normally would have thrown, and hold down on the c-stick.

Why hold down on c stick when pummeling?

 

[1000g2g3g4g800999]

Why hold down on c stick when pummeling?

It buffers a dthrow. On the jab utilt thing I mentioned, if they're going to hit the ground before the utilt could hit them, you're better off just going for the grab. Otherwise, the utilt is good.

 

[Jackson]

It buffers a dthrow. On the jab utilt thing I mentioned, if they're going to hit the ground before the utilt could hit them, you're better off just going for the grab. Otherwise, the utilt is good.

Oh, cool, didnt know you could buffer throws.

 

[tauKhan]

Choose higher controller port if possible for slightly easier and longer chain grabs.

 

[Jackson]

Choose higher controller port if possible for slightly easier and longer chain grabs.

Wow, really? How does being P1 make chaingrabbing easier and longer?

 

[tauKhan]

Wow, really? How does being P1 make chaingrabbing easier and longer?

Actually meant higher port# (3 is better than 2, 4 is better than all the others for example). The reason is if the thrown player has higher port#, he starts from hitstun animation frame 2, so he receives one less frame off hitstun. This is so afaik for every throw with every character melee, I guess there could be exceptions though. But it has been tested to happen with sheik dthrow. This allows yoshi for example to jump out of cg at early percents if the yoshi player has higher port#. So you want to have the higher port# to not allow this.

 

[Jackson]

Actually meant higher port# (3 is better than 2, 4 is better than all the others for example). The reason is if the thrown player has higher port#, he starts from hitstun animation frame 2, so he receives one less frame off hitstun. This is so afaik for every throw with every character melee, I guess there could be exceptions though. But it has been tested to happen with sheik dthrow. This allows yoshi for example to jump out of cg at early percents if the yoshi player has higher port#. So you want to have the higher port# to not allow this.

Good explanation, thank you.