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Smash Wii U Input Delay with the Gamecube controller.

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This is more noticeable on wifi. I can't even play Sonic properly at all with this. Since I know I'm not the only one with this issue(people on GameFAQs reported this), has anyone found out any solutions? Some say changing your TV to Gaming mode, but my TV doesn't have such an option.
 

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I was getting a good 1/4 second delay with the GC controller, and about that with the Wii U Pro controller, on a Toshiba LCD. Putting it in gaming mode fixed the issue, but I'm not sure what the other options are. I have heard that if the TV's native resolution is not 1080p, then you can try changing the resolution of the game to match that of your tv, but I don't see that option for this game.
 

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I was getting a good 1/4 second delay with the GC controller, and about that with the Wii U Pro controller, on a Toshiba LCD. Putting it in gaming mode fixed the issue, but I'm not sure what the other options are. I have heard that if the TV's native resolution is not 1080p, then you can try changing the resolution of the game to match that of your tv, but I don't see that option for this game.
Pretty sure that means set your Wii U to your TV's native resolution.
 

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Honestly, I've settled with the unfortunate delay that some displays have input lag. For this reason I play Smash Wii U on my computer monitor instead of my 47" LGTV.
 

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None of those issues are related to input delay so they have nothing to do with the controller. If you play online, you'll obviously have lag no matter what and will be worse if you play with a bad connection, against people with a bad connection or people far away. If the recommended fix is to set your TV to gaming mode, then your TV has a high response time and nothing will fix that issue. The only lagless screens that exist are CRTs. With LED or LCDs you have to get a monitor with a very low response time otherwise you'll feel the lag.
 
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None of those issues are related to input delay so they have nothing to do with the controller. If you play online, you'll obviously have lag no matter what and will be worse if you play with a bad connection, against people with a bad connection or people far away. If the recommended fix is to set your TV to gaming mode, then your TV has a high response time and nothing will fix that issue. The only lagless screens that exist are CRTs. With LED or LCDs you have to get a monitor with a very low response time otherwise you'll feel the lag.
CRTs still have display lag it's just pretty low.

What everyone calls "input lag" is actually display lag, as what we're describing is the signal reaching the TV, not the console.

A large TV is going to have a little display lag, even in gaming mode, but it shouldn't really be that bad as the Wii U runs natively on HDTVs. Big tournaments like EVO will use low MS monitors, so a lot of people will buy one of those for at home use. I have one (a BenQ), but the difference is so insignificant to my 55" SONY LCD. I won't deny that there's a difference though. It's enough to where the sound from my Wii U Gamepad is just ever so slightly out of sync with the sound from the TV. I bought my TV with consideration for its ms in gaming mode, so I find the display lag on it to be quite acceptable in exchange for a 55" Smash experience.

You may have bought a TV without consideration for a low display lag setting, so it's just the way it goes.
 

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None of those issues are related to input delay so they have nothing to do with the controller. If you play online, you'll obviously have lag no matter what and will be worse if you play with a bad connection, against people with a bad connection or people far away. If the recommended fix is to set your TV to gaming mode, then your TV has a high response time and nothing will fix that issue. The only lagless screens that exist are CRTs. With LED or LCDs you have to get a monitor with a very low response time otherwise you'll feel the lag.
I must be really dumb, because there are some online matches (read some as "most") where I don't feel any lag whatsoever. No stuttering, no input lag, nothing.

Maybe there is 1/4 second delay or something? If so, it is barely noticeable.
 
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I must be really dumb, because there are some online matches (read some as "most") where I don't feel any lag whatsoever. No stuttering, no input lag, nothing.

Maybe there is 1/4 second delay or something? If so, it is barely noticeable.
The latter is probably the case. Every display has display lag of some sort, but more likely is that...

When playing online, your connection with your opponent will sometimes result in a heightened input delay as the game attempts to keep the frame rate at 60, but playing against someone of considerable distance will result in some input lag. This is where input lag comes in to play.
 
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CRTs still have display lag it's just pretty low.

What everyone calls "input lag" is actually display lag, as what we're describing is the signal reaching the TV, not the console.
What everyone calls yeah I agree but that's not what input lag is. Real input lag is when there's a delay between you pressing a button and the console interpreting that input. Some controllers actually have this problem and it's usually because the controller has firmware and needs to convert the input before sending it.

I must be really dumb, because there are some online matches (read some as "most") where I don't feel any lag whatsoever. No stuttering, no input lag, nothing.

Maybe there is 1/4 second delay or something? If so, it is barely noticeable.
You might not feel it with some connections but there is lag. Some netcode does it better than others but there will always be lag when playing online. When you do an input, your console must send it to the game servers, then send this to the other player, trigger a received input event, send it back to the server and then send it back to you. All of these links require time before receiving responses. If you have good netcode and both players have good connections, it will barely be noticeable but if your connection is bad, the server is overloaded, the other player has a bad connection or even all 3, the lag will be much more noticeable.

Also netcode can work differently depending on the algorithm is uses. Some will use straight up P2P to skip the server part, others will send too much information which will cause lag no matter what, others have rollback code which causes the game to run in real time but will rewind in the match if some responses took too much time.
 

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But yeah CRTs have so low response time that it's not even worth mentioning that they have lag. No human has this fast of a reaction. LCDs on the other hand you can get cheap ones with high response times that have very, very noticeable display lag.

Edit: Crap I wanted to edit my last post but I did a second reply instead.
 
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But yeah CRTs have so low response time that it's not even worth mentioning that they have lag. No human has this fast of a reaction. LCDs on the other hand you can get cheap ones with high response times that have very, very noticeable display lag.

Edit: Crap I wanted to edit my last post but I did a second reply instead.
Alternatively I think that an argument could be made for both low ms monitors and SONY LCDs that, although heightened delay, it is still in the "doesn't affect human reaction" category.
 

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Oh yeah I agree. If you have a low ms LCD screen it will not be noticeable at all but it will be if you buy the cheap ones with 10+ms response times that are clearly not made for gaming.
 

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I've been having the same issue both OFFLINE and ONLINE.. It's really ruining my experience with this game.. I have a smart tv.. 42 inch, 240hz, 1080p and apparently people said the same change it to gaming mode and it will help. I do feel like it did help a bit but my delay is so bad sometimes that I can hardly side b with marth and lucina. It is likely affecting other aspects but it just seems like the side b is the most noticeable.. I've mained marth since his release so I know it's not me just doing it wrong lol..

I had a friend even give a website that can tell you if your tv is just terrible for gaming but they don't have my specific model on the website so I can't even check.. Any help would be really appreciated @_@
 
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I've been having the same issue both OFFLINE and ONLINE.. It's really ruining my experience with this game.. I have a smart tv.. 42 inch, 240hz, 1080p and apparently people said the same change it to gaming mode and it will help. I do feel like it did help a bit but my delay is so bad sometimes that I can hardly side b with marth and lucina. It is likely affecting other aspects but it just seems like the side b is the most noticeable.. I've mained marth since his release so I know it's not me just doing it wrong lol..

I had a friend even give a website that can tell you if your tv is just terrible for gaming but they don't have my specific model on the website so I can't even check.. Any help would be really appreciated @_@
You probably have a 60Hz or 120Hz TV (240Hz is a marketing gimmick). Either way, what you want to know is the response time (measured in ms, less is better). Judging by your description, you might have some really bad response time and input lag on the TV.
Plasma and CRTs (like others have said) TVs and TN Panel Monitors have good response time (and deal with input lag well).
 
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You probably have a 60Hz or 120Hz TV (240Hz is a marketing gimmick). Either way, what you want to know is the response time (measured in ms, less is better). Judging by your description, you might have some really bad response time and input lag on the TV.
Plasma and CRTs (like others have said) TVs and TN Panel Monitors have good response time (and deal with input lag well).
So basically I'm screwed, buy a new tv?
 

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My puny human eyeballs have a 0.001 second delay when playing video games.
What should I do guys?!!! Can I get cyborg implants with optical HD lenses jammed into my eye sockets?
 

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My puny human eyeballs have a 0.001 second delay when playing video games.
What should I do guys?!!! Can I get cyborg implants with optical HD lenses jammed into my eye sockets?
Lol second time I seen you in this topic posting your bs. If you don't want to help that's fine but kindly fk off if you have nothing worthwhile to say because people are clearly having issues it's affecting gameplay. Nothing wrong with asking for help from people who may know what to do in order to fix our issue
 
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My puny human eyeballs have a 0.001 second delay when playing video games.
What should I do guys?!!! Can I get cyborg implants with optical HD lenses jammed into my eye sockets?
depending on what brand you get, you can actually see **** a whole ten seconds before it happens

i recommend OP does this
 

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Lol second time I seen you in this topic posting your bs. If you don't want to help that's fine but kindly fk off if you have nothing worthwhile to say because people are clearly having issues it's affecting gameplay. Nothing wrong with asking for help from people who may know what to do in order to fix our issue
And here's the 3rd time.

OP needs to quit whining and just make sure they have their console set to their TV's output. Any 'lag' after that is purely in their brain unless they bought an oversized TV which is too big for their arms to wrap around.
 

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And here's the 3rd time.

OP needs to quit whining and just make sure they have their console set to their TV's output. Any 'lag' after that is purely in their brain unless they bought an oversized TV which is too big for their arms to wrap around.
nope, just in their brain bruh

my samsung tv is big as **** and i got no lag
 

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And here's the 3rd time.

OP needs to quit whining and just make sure they have their console set to their TV's output. Any 'lag' after that is purely in their brain unless they bought an oversized TV which is too big for their arms to wrap around.
How dare someone come on a forum asking for help. Obviously he isn't as knowledge in the field which is why he made the post here to get assistance. Like I said if you have nothing to say to help simply piss off nobody wants to deal with your childish harassment.

nope, just in their brain bruh

my samsung tv is big as **** and i got no lag
One tv does it, they all must amirite?
 
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I didn't notice any groundbreaking input lag while playing Smash U with friends on my Wired Fight Pad (which is a Classic Controller in the mold of a GameCube controller, so it is wireless) yesterday, but I was too focused while playing, and I'm relatively casual so even if there was input lag, I wouldn't have noticed it. We didn't play online, so maybe online is where it all happens.

But when I'm paying extreme close attention to Smash 3DS, I notice a very small amount of input lag. Maybe it's just me.
 

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I didn't notice any groundbreaking input lag while playing Smash U with friends on my Wired Fight Pad (which is a Classic Controller in the mold of a GameCube controller, so it is wireless) yesterday, but I was too focused while playing, and I'm relatively casual so even if there was input lag, I wouldn't have noticed it. We didn't play online, so maybe online is where it all happens.

But when I'm paying extreme close attention to Smash 3DS, I notice a very small amount of input lag. Maybe it's just me.
Mine actually happens both online and offline. I think the easiest way to tell is when you're playing marth or lucina. Attempt your side+b multiple times in different variations. Sometimes you'll stop after the second one unable to finish the combo and it will restart from the first and if you try doing the down combo with the multiple stabs it will stop after the second and perform his/her counter.
 

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Mine actually happens both online and offline. I think the easiest way to tell is when you're playing marth or lucina. Attempt your side+b multiple times in different variations. Sometimes you'll stop after the second one unable to finish the combo and it will restart from the first and if you try doing the down combo with the multiple stabs it will stop after the second and perform his/her counter.
Marth is my secondary, have been playing him from Brawl, and noticed this since Day 1 of Smash 3DS. I even played him on the Wii U version. What you have mentioned happen to me quite often, especially the side-b side combo always stopping at the second strike, I'm much better at performing the side-b down combo, but I still do occasionally counter mid-combo. I took this as a part of the already massive Marth nerfs, I did not know it was an effect of input lag. Thanks for telling me!
 

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Don't tell me the Wii U has problems with input lag. FAIL, Nintendo!
 

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Don't tell me the Wii U has problems with input lag. FAIL, Nintendo!
I didn't notice anything with a wireless controller, it could possibly be the inputs of a GameCube controller are different than what a Wii U is used to. Who knows?
 

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I didn't notice anything with a wireless controller, it could possibly be the inputs of a GameCube controller are different than what a Wii U is used to. Who knows?
If it turns out that it is in fact because of the GC controller, then big fail for Nintendo. Defeats the purpose of using a GC controller; you can't be as pro.

Note: I am completely uneducated about Smash Wii U and don't own it.
 

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If it turns out that it is in fact because of the GC controller, then big fail for Nintendo. Defeats the purpose of using a GC controller; you can't be as pro.

Note: I am completely uneducated about Smash Wii U and don't own it.
I never used the GameCube controller for Smash U, as I didn't have access to an adapter and I don't like it much anyway, so in a way we're on the same boat.

I do hope you buy it later though :D
 

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Marth is my secondary, have been playing him from Brawl, and noticed this since Day 1 of Smash 3DS. I even played him on the Wii U version. What you have mentioned happen to me quite often, especially the side-b side combo always stopping at the second strike, I'm much better at performing the side-b down combo, but I still do occasionally counter mid-combo. I took this as a part of the already massive Marth nerfs, I did not know it was an effect of input lag. Thanks for telling me!
I've been browsing multiple forums for smash trying to find a fix for this and everyone seemed to tell me it was input lag so I just ran with it. I wasn't aware this was on the 3ds as well.. You telling me that really destroys my hopes for playing Marth even with the massive nerfs.. Perhaps they thought it was too op or something like you said.. Sigh this sucks.. Sm4sh I officially hate you if this is the case.
 

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I've been browsing multiple forums for smash trying to find a fix for this and everyone seemed to tell me it was input lag so I just ran with it. I wasn't aware this was on the 3ds as well.. You telling me that really destroys my hopes for playing Marth even with the massive nerfs.. Perhaps they thought it was too op or something like you said.. Sigh this sucks.. Sm4sh I officially hate you if this is the case.
At first, I thought it happened on the 3DS because the Circle Pad on the 3DS doesn't have little edges the stick kinda goes into, so I thought I was slightly tilting my finger up until Smash U release, where I had a GameCub-esque controller that had those edges that directly make the command go in one direction, and the same problem arose, so I didn't know what was the issue and shoved it into the list of things that Marth had nerfed.
 

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Sounds like I need to play my WiiU off my laptop. I have the same issue as OP, it's very noticeable.
 

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Lol second time I seen you in this topic posting your bs. If you don't want to help that's fine but kindly fk off if you have nothing worthwhile to say because people are clearly having issues it's affecting gameplay. Nothing wrong with asking for help from people who may know what to do in order to fix our issue
A little levity is a positive thing.
 

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A little levity is a positive thing.
That's not levity, that's called being ass hat because you're on a forum with anonymity. Like I said before if he has no way to contribute to this topic then move right along because there's hundreds if not thousands of other ways that he could actually be contributing to something worthwhile on this forum. Flame baiting is a waste of time for everyone, mods included.
 

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This is super common. I played a ton Of Tekken Tag Online and it had some delay but never enough to complain over. Playing this with the GameCube controller is pretty much identical.
 
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