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i'm stuck

Crawfish

Smash Journeyman
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i can't win. i don't feel like I've improved at all. i just don't know what to do anymore. i'm afraid that i'll just stay like this. I've tried different characters. I've taken breaks. i play players better than me. but nothing ever changes. all i do is lose. i don't know what to do to change that. i don't know what to do. i need help.

i'm sorry if this doesn't belong here, idk where it should go
 

TheMainVaporeon

Smash Rookie
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Drawinglizard5
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That's sorta where I was not too long ago, but what I did was practice at least once a day to help myself, and I would say I've improved. ^-^
 

blue_flavored

Smash Apprentice
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i can't win. i don't feel like I've improved at all. i just don't know what to do anymore. i'm afraid that i'll just stay like this. I've tried different characters. I've taken breaks. i play players better than me. but nothing ever changes. all i do is lose. i don't know what to do to change that. i don't know what to do. i need help.

i'm sorry if this doesn't belong here, idk where it should go
My good sir, who do you main?
 

GhostUrsa

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I'm going to post what I've mentioned in a different thread talking about this very topic below:
"Quitting is something every sports player, whether eSports or physical, has to figure out sometime. I've heard it's called the Wall, where you seem to have hit a peak and need to decide if you'll walk away and enjoy what you had or try to punch through and keep going.

If you want to keep trying, but still struggle with what you mentioned, I'd recommend first analyzing yourself. Try a few games that aren't competitive in nature but similar in style, like a brawler (Hyrule Warriors is good) and see how you approach your situations. Do you prefer faster characters that dazzle your foes, slow juggernauts that shrug off hits and deal more damage back, that kind of thing. Once you know what kind of player you like, then finding a good character to compliment you becomes easier. Then it's looking at that characters specific forums and learning how the matchups work.

Each time you hit a wall, re-analyze yourself and see what you want out of this. If you don't find it ultimately fun, then don't play the game that way. Since most of us here will never be professional eSports players, we need to approach this just like any other physical sport. Remember that it's ultimately just a game, and to do our best. :joyful:"

The advice still applies here. Maybe I should get this sticky'd somewhere, as all vets have been there at some point and newer players will want to know it's not just them when they hit 'The Wall'.
 

izumisempai

Smash Rookie
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Messages
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I think you should take some time to study the matches you've lost and see what you've done or what you could have done better. You can also find a lot of YouTube matches with Marth so maybe you could try incorporating their techniques into your own games. You don't have to play like them, but if you find something they do that you like, you can use it to your advantage when you play.
 

1FC0

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Try to battle people that are better then you and analyze what you are doing wrong. For example, if you hang on the ledge, do you alwasy get up with an attack followed by them shielding it and punishing you? Then try mixing it up with jumping , rolling, ledgehopping, and just getting up.

Smash is like Rock Paper Scizzosr.
For example, imagine that you play Marth against R.O.B. And you keep approaching the R.O.B. with your dash attack. The R.O.B. might just shield it and grab you again and again. So you should take notice that Dash attack alone is not going to do it since it is weak against shield, like throwing rock against paper. So in that case you should use another move that beats shield, like a grab. But R.O.B. might adapt to that and use Nair to counter you grab, and possibly your Dash attack. But Marth can beat Nairing R.O.B. with Fair, which loses against laser aimed up. But the laser aimed up loses against a dash attack, so it was not useless you just need to mix it up. Just like rock in RPS.

Learn all options of your favorite character and learn which of your options beat which of the opponents options (AKA learn the matchups). Personally I use FG a lot to experiment with what beats what. After that Smash it is a lot like playing RPS.
 

Crawfish

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that's the kind of stuff i would like to do. but i have trouble playing so consciously. this whole option select thing has always bee fascinating to me. but i'm unable to do it myself. even though i always try to imagine myself being cool like that
 

1FC0

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I think that I started analyzing matchups only in SSBB, even though I play Smash since Smash 64. I think that the cause of that was because in Smash64 and Melee I only played against my friends, which were all huge noobs that I beat with ease even though I played like huge noob myself. But in SSBB I could go online and was able to play better opponents who forced me to improve myself.

I think that playing better opponents is really important to learn how to play. In the early days of SSBB there was a guy who did not stand a chance against me. But he kept trying even though I owned him with ease and after a few months he actually surpassed me in skill.

What can also help is lurking on the character boards of your mains and watching video's of good players. In the latter case you should try to learn something from it. For example, if they keep approach with a certain move then why do they use that move and not another approach ?
 

GhostUrsa

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i don't want to quit :(
My quote wasn't to say you should. The thread was from someone who started with this exact thread, but after a month grew enough depressed where myself and some others had to re-assure him that what he was experiencing was natural.

Memo to self, don't quote yourself without context.
 

Karinole

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You've hit the wall. Around a month ago I was in a situation like yours where even though I was practicing often and had matchup knowledge, I couldn't convert them to wins. I didn't understand, as I'd been doing well up until then but nothing seemed to work all of a sudden. This was the wall. Before you can bounce back you have to be at your lowest. I kept at it and started changing up my game, getting rid of my bad habits, and sharpening my execution. I was able to get third at a tourney earlier this week and it feels great to be out of this slump. Trust me, just keep at it and you will see your results improve. Good luck!

If nothing else :4diddy:is waiting for you :p
 
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