I'm not sure these two are really z2d combos

[AvengerAngel]

...so I'm asking to you :D

Falcon On Falcon, Hyrule - Does the grab connect with the ABA? :x

Pikachu On DK, Hyrule - I'm not sure of the dtilt + Bair and the last usmash :x


Comments and suggestions are welcome of course :D

 

[Wenbobular]

If it's yours then whatever, who cares, they're pretty good combos...if not, well. Who cares anyways.
Good job if they're yours.

 

[Xelgand]

already tried them with real players?

did they work every time?

if the answer is yes, they may be considered z2d combos i think

 

[Fireblaster]

already tried them with real players?

did they work every time?

if the answer is yes, they may be considered z2d combos i think

That's the worst suggestion ever. Just a bit of DI can screw up these combos.

 

[NixxxoN]

That's the worst suggestion ever. Just a bit of DI can screw up these combos.

mmm, aren't all the combos (besides chaingrabs) DI'able?

 

[AvengerAngel]

Yeah, they're mine, thanks :D

Xelgand: I can't try them on human players because 1) DI would screw them up, 2) I have no one to play with on console, and I can't play well online because of the delay x(

 

[NixxxoN]

I can't play well online because of the delay x(

??? :o

p2p we played fine with few delay that last day =D

 

[AvengerAngel]

I can do basic combos but I always make mistakes on more technical things like Mario's ADA + AUA or Fox' SHDL. Not to mention Yoshi's and Ness' DJC, lol >_<

 

[NixxxoN]

I can do basic combos but I always make mistakes on more technical things like Mario's ADA + AUA or Fox' SHDL. Not to mention Yoshi's and Ness' DJC, lol >_<

Then dont be so technical and use more mindgames xP

 

[AvengerAngel]

Yeah, but it gets boring when all that you and your opponent can do is throw + AUA Falcon combos or utilt x 10 + bthrow + fsmash edgeguard with Pikachu :x
I prefer the fancy combos :D

 

[Surri-Sama]

First one : grabs to slow...you should be able to alter it though to make it work
Second one: Lots of areas where FFing can escape

these are both training mode combos though, they dont have to work, they just have to look good...which these do

Yeah, but it gets boring when all that you and your opponent can do is throw + AUA Falcon combos or utilt x 10 + bthrow + fsmash edgeguard with Pikachu :x
I prefer the fancy combos :D

read Sirlin's "play to win"

mmm, aren't all the combos (besides chaingrabs) DI'able?

not even close

my general view on 0-Deaths are, the lower the ammount of hits required to do it, the better chance it will work in game...

Ex..

Basic Ness combo: Dair-->Utilt x2-->Nair-->Dair...this combo is very hard to escape

Complex falcon combo (the one Avenger posted): far to many wall hits, plus simple di Downwards the whole time would screw it up..to many hits!

 

[Xelgand]

I think real z2d combos should be considered those that you can't (or are really hard) to get out from with DI in a real match.

 

[Surri-Sama]

I think real z2d combos should be considered those that you can't (or are really hard) to get out from with DI in a real match.

thankfully combo videos are not based off what you think

Almost all Prince's and Alan's combos wouldn't be real combos by that standard

 

[AlanCiTuAndPope20]

I think real z2d combos should be considered those that you can't (or are really hard) to get out from with DI in a real match.

wrong opinion.

 

[Peek~]

I prefer the fancy combos :D

You call??

 

[Surri-Sama]

wrong opinion.

lol oxymoron

 

[malva00]

if you wanna know you have to ask antd

 

[Skrlx]

they're pretty easy to pull off.
but
gj

 

[AlanCiTuAndPope20]

lol oxymoron

Sorry but what does oxymoron mean?

 

[Fireblaster]

Sorry but what does oxymoron mean?

Frozen fire
Same difference
Completely unfinished
Factual opinion
Wrong opinion

Basically when an adjective contradicts the noun it is used with.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Frozen fire
Same difference
Completely unfinished
Factual opinion
Wrong opinion

Basically when an adjective contradicts the noun it is used with.

when you say "wrong opinion" the two words contrast each other because its impractical to call someones opinion (which is allowed to be based and formed on bias things) wrong (something that is either incorrect based on fact or common sense)

 

[AlanCiTuAndPope20]

ahhhhhh I messed up saying wrong opinion .I wanted to say dum opinion okis

 

[AvengerAngel]

New combos! :D
Still not sure they're really z2d, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhT25NWNfLo

And special thanks to craiigg for helping me :D

 

[Surri-Sama]

once you get into the **** tent area you lose it i think,

as for the second one, in order to escape DI up when your around the platforms to get a tech roll out.

still great though keep it up ^^

 

[AvengerAngel]

Heh, I know they can be easily avoided with good DI, but that's fine. Combos are good even if they're easy to DI out of.
The point is I'm not sure if they're even combos because I don't know if the stun is enough to keep them going on, lol x)

btw thanks, I'm glad you appreciate them :D

 

[malva00]

guess you didn't read my post. do that or else u should stop going "I DUNNO IF THEY ARE Z2D THO"

 

[Fireblaster]

Heh, I know they can be easily avoided with good DI, but that's fine. Combos are good even if they're easy to DI out of.
The point is I'm not sure if they're even combos because I don't know if the stun is enough to keep them going on, lol x)

btw thanks, I'm glad you appreciate them :D

In the first combo Yoshi can escape after the 3rd fair.

 

[AlanCiTuAndPope20]

both of your new combos are avoidable and a bit incorrect.

0:09 ----- the first 7 hits shouldn't have reseted to 1 because Falcon bounces to the wall after the 8 hits(it should have reseted after the first 8 hits). Combos just reset after your opponent hits the wall,or you mess up. That's simple.

0:31 ----- the same case.

 

[AvengerAngel]

Omg, you're right, I didn't notice that. I guess I'll have to rerecord them, lol >_>

But then again, would the combo be a z2d with Yoshi bouncing to the wall before the Fair hit? I'll ask antd. Hope he can check it out :x


Thanks for noticing btw :D

 

[Surri-Sama]

Heh, I know they can be easily avoided with good DI, but that's fine. Combos are good even if they're easy to DI out of.

btw thanks, I'm glad you appreciate them :D

all i meant was in the description you said your and a friend tried the combo out, and could not escape it D:

 

[AvengerAngel]

Lol, I meant we could not escape it JUMPING AWAY, not trying to DI out of it :D

BTW I just uploaded 2 vids and this time I'm sure they're real z2d, lol

 

[malva00]

jumping away is not all that matters you can attack back as well to get out of a combo

 

[AvengerAngel]

Yeah, I know, but can Yoshi's aerials allow him to get out of a combo faster than his djc? :O

But then again, seeing as it is not a combo, that doesn't matter anymore x(

 

[NixxxoN]

jumping away is not all that matters you can attack back as well to get out of a combo

I always use nair to try to break a combo, besides DI.

Does anyone know if the hitstun is the same if you wanna jump out or do an attack?

 

[ant-d]

Yeah, I know, but can Yoshi's aerials allow him to get out of a combo faster than his djc? :O

But then again, seeing as it is not a combo, that doesn't matter anymore x(

it depends which part of yoshi the attack hits, and also how long you have to act

1. ANA is 2 frames
2. fast fall (+ABA if needed) is 2 frames
3. jump is slow

1 is good if ANA can reach the attacker
2 is good if ANA can't reach the attacker, and if the attack is trying to hit the top part of yoshi
(fast fall>1f>ABA is sometimes the only way to avoid such a combo, it's impossible for a human to do on N64 though. ABA makes yoshi's head go downwards so the attack misses.)
3 is good if you have a lot of time (generally more than 8 frames) to escape the combo

this is just from playing frame by frame, i don't know if it's useful in a real match

 

[AvengerAngel]

Wow, nice. I never thought of getting out of a combo using the ABA, lol. Thanks :D

 

[Daedatheus]

this is just from playing frame by frame, i don't know if it's useful in a real match

Could very well turn out to be useful. Thanks antd

 

[swebits98]

i like ur combos >=]