volbound1700
Smash Master
For all we know, Sakurai could fill up the rest of the third party spots with more MGS characters. Or have Sonic and Tails with Snake.
Don't assume things.
Don't assume things.
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I love how people assume there won't be 2 third party characters from same game
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PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
No one assumes...
Just no one wants that...it would be stupid
I'd rather have Sonic, Megaman and Geno than Tails replacing one of them or someone from Metal Gear
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It's not so much an assumption as it is common sense. From a business perspective, it makes more sense to grab different third party characters to bring in those fans. They'll get more people looking at Brawl by grabbing each character from a different franchise than they would stealing them all from a single franchise. It's just smart to do so.
So, as possible as it may be that any other third party spots will be filled with more MGS characters, it still isn't likely.
So, as possible as it may be that any other third party spots will be filled with more MGS characters, it still isn't likely.
Kirby knight
Smash Lord
For all we know, Sakurai could fill up the rest of the SSBB roaster with All Mii's.
Don't assume things.
:/ Honestly that's what you sound like, it's just stupid to do something like that.
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vesperview
Smash Hero
He said that there would be 3 and hopefully those are not Tails and Knuckles, and if we couldn't assume anything these boards would be empty.
volbound1700
Smash Master
It would make sense if Nintendo just wanted to open up to MGS and that is it. I personally don't want it because I want Sonic, Megaman, Bomberman, and Simon Belmont too... could care less about GENO. However we have no idea how many third party characters there could be other then the possible 1-2 comment from over a year ago and we have no idea how these third party characters are going to be aligned.
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True. It would be bad to try and assume things to be facts until we have more information. But it's not so crazy to think that the remaining guest slots will most likely house lone franchise reps. From a business perspective (which would be the perspective that Nintendo should probably be taking), it would make the most sense. Whether it worked out that way is of course still up to speculation, hence threads like these.
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I'm tired.
(playing devil's advocate here)
On the flipside, if you consider that Sakurai has already purchased the rights to Snake, and that him and Kojima are on good terms, then it would make sense to have other MG characters playable, as it would probably cost less to get the rights to Raiden or Revolver Ocelot for Smash then, say, Sonic or Megaman.
Or, branching out a bit, why not include some characters from Konami's other franchises? Simon Belmont or one of those dudes from Contra could be made to work in Smash. And again, Konami would probably be willing to sell the rights to the characters more cheaply. Sure, I want Sonic in as much as the next guy, but if you think about it from a financial perspective rather than a business one, it makes sense as well.
On the flipside, if you consider that Sakurai has already purchased the rights to Snake, and that him and Kojima are on good terms, then it would make sense to have other MG characters playable, as it would probably cost less to get the rights to Raiden or Revolver Ocelot for Smash then, say, Sonic or Megaman.
Or, branching out a bit, why not include some characters from Konami's other franchises? Simon Belmont or one of those dudes from Contra could be made to work in Smash. And again, Konami would probably be willing to sell the rights to the characters more cheaply. Sure, I want Sonic in as much as the next guy, but if you think about it from a financial perspective rather than a business one, it makes sense as well.
volbound1700
Smash Master
Not necessarily because you would have to negotiate for everyone one of those individual characters. Nintendo could just get MGS solid or MGS and Sonic series and put in several of their characters and call it a day. In fact it would be harder to contact every company and try to put in a character from each while dealing with the trademark/franchising nightmare.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Who cares...that would be stupid...
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You bring up an excellent point. But on the subject of Metal Gear characters, I'd have to wonder why Nintendo would bother with more of those characters at all. Sure, they'd probably be cheaper, but how many fans exist that would be sold on a second character from the series if they weren't already sold by Snake? In the case of another MGS character, no matter how cheap they are, it still seems unproductive from (once again) the business end of the game. Sakurai would have to REALLY be fascinated by a character to sacrifice that kind of money.
You got me with the other Konami characters though. I could see Nintendo working that angle (but not in a sexual way of course, you dirty perverts reading this
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volbound1700
Smash Master
From a business standpoint, not really.
Outside of Sonic, what other game could bring more sales?
Megaman is a dying franchise.
Also you are assuming as well that every company wants to go in with nintendo. Capcom could have said no for all we know.
We know Nintendo has been working with SEGA and Snake is already in game for MGS. Nintendo could just focus on those two games or maybe even just MGS.
I do want to point out that Midway has a good relationship with Nintendo and has been favoring their Mortal Kombat games on the Wii and Gamecube in the past. (Deadly Alliance and Deception had features on Gamecube you couldn't get on other systems). Same with the new one coming out for the Wii. For all we know they could stick Lui Kang or Scorpion on Brawl. We have no idea what Sakurai will pull out of his hat in the third party realm.
smashbot226
Smash Master
Yea, poor Megaman with his Battle Network games...
This gives me a boss idea:
T. Bonne! LOL.
This gives me a boss idea:
T. Bonne! LOL.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
I never gave a **** about a buisiness perspective...I am going from a design perspective, since I am a designer myself...the art of it all...
Designers aren't the ones that are always money grubbing...
volbound1700
Smash Master
Yes, but I have noticed how close minded you are. I bet you were the kind of guy that got pissed when Melee announced Ice Climbers, Marth, or Game and Watch. We had tons of characters appear in Melee that were not popular until people played them in the game. Sakurai will put some characters not high on the polls that will become an instant hit in the game once people try these less popular characters out.
Sprigginz_Caldo
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Aren't YOU assuming now?
Jesus, of course people are going to assume, we know nothing of the game.
Please don't act so high and mighty. =/
Oh, and down with third party characters.
Jesus, of course people are going to assume, we know nothing of the game.
Please don't act so high and mighty. =/
Oh, and down with third party characters.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Your joking right? I love Japanese only characters and old school...those are my favorite...Any character I never heard of added I love.
volbound1700
Smash Master
Well I see flaming in every post when someone mentions Megaman + Zero or Sonc + Tails as all playable. Very well could be that Sonic and Tails make the cut. Could be that only Metal Gear characters make the cut (I honestly doubt this). I even presented you a hypo just as strong as other threads about MK characters making it (I doubt this as well)... However I am unsure and to flame others for having a different view on this is kind of ignorant.
Ryuuseiken Marth
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Well, there is Roy Campbell, Otakon, and Mei Ling as NPCs; as well as MGS music and a stage which notes that the use of a license isn't necessarily limited to just one character. It can also mean the entire fictional universe as well. Still, the use of a license is limited only by the workload of the developers, and the scope that the license permits.
volbound1700
Smash Master
Not always, if they copyright a character, you can't use name, theme, or design.
If someone was to create a red hedgehog and call him Sona... SEGA probably would have rights to sue.
the grim lizard
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I'd say it's a pretty safe assumption.
error_alt_delete
Smash Champion
ok from what ve heard so far, sakurai is putting in some characters to reopen a franchise. if that is so then i can see the classic megaman (or megaman x) put into the game as third party characters.
why you ask? well for one thing they were the most porular 2 types of megaman. the battle network series did ok but these two were the top types and they were both featured on a nintendo systems at one point or another. and if megaman is dying then they might put in X or classic so they can become better known once more and be featured on nintendo systems more often as these forms. I just dont see this even newer megaman with the radio waves going well at all. si i see this being a good opening for alot of braches of opritunity.
why you ask? well for one thing they were the most porular 2 types of megaman. the battle network series did ok but these two were the top types and they were both featured on a nintendo systems at one point or another. and if megaman is dying then they might put in X or classic so they can become better known once more and be featured on nintendo systems more often as these forms. I just dont see this even newer megaman with the radio waves going well at all. si i see this being a good opening for alot of braches of opritunity.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Sonic has kept on releasing games that aren't that good, I wouldn't call it a dying franchise but I wouldn't say it's in it's prime either, Megaman would make an awesome Capcom rep, so your point?
raphtmarqui
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I doubt they would put multiple characters from the same 3rd party.
SenorPresidente
Smash Ace
the thing is that besides raiden or gray fox there really can't have any more mtgs characters as most of them use guns like ocelot. its a shame
Njs523
Smash Cadet
Don't assume our assumptions are wrong
If there are only a limited number of third party slots, they will pick the main representative from any franchises they use. Nobody has ever wondered if revolver ocelot could beat mario, because that's ********. But people I'm sure have wondered that about sonic and other franchise icons.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Snake is NOT the main rep of Konami...especially for Nintendo...so no one said it had to be the main characters from ANY franchise
Njs523
Smash Cadet
who is konami's main representative?
0rion
Smash Journeyman
Hypocrite! You're doin the exact same thing man.
Face it cuz, everybody isn't right for sure, but yo we have a pretty accurate assumption that the final 3rd party characters are gonna be either Sonic, Geno, and Megaman. Period.
End of story.
Njs523
Smash Cadet
agreed. sonic, megaman and geno are really the only realistic third party characters aside from snake.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
They have so many games I have no idea who it would be...But for one Nintendo...probably someone from Castlevania since Snake hasn't been in a Nintendo game since NES and was only in because Sakurai knows the guy who made Snake...
volbound1700
Smash Master
How am I doing the same thing? I stated that you may be wrong... sorry I called out the entire board on an assumption that they consider rock solid when it isn't.
Njs523
Smash Cadet
Well honestly, I just checked wikipedia and their main games include Castlevania, Silent Hill, Contra, Metal Gear, and a bunch of arcade games. Considering that Silent Hill doest have any nintendo games I know of, and pretty much all of these series have no recent nintendo representation, Solid Snake seems as good as any character to be a representative. Castlevania has games more recent than NES, but the main characters of those change and are pretty generic.
0rion
Smash Journeyman
I'm jus sayin that you say that we're swearing up and down that the third party companies will be from different gaming companies while you say the opposite. It's just speculation is all.
volbound1700
Smash Master
IGN picked him to be on it. IGN is more informed then us. I am sorry if I came off as a butthole but the fact is we have no idea who can be in the game as third party so don't bash people that say Sonic and Tails will both make it or that another MGS character will be in.
LavisFiend
Smash Lord
I see over repping one third party company to be a last resort. Simple as that.
silver777
Smash Champion
not to mention unfair.
volbound1700
Smash Master
I can agree with that but I think you misunderstood me. I said it could be either way. I commented that I want Megaman, Sonic, and Snake just like everyone else but we are not totally sure what Nintendo will come out with. It may be that Sakurai finds a better third party character then these to put on... it may be that SEGA and Capcom don't want to be in Brawl and Nintendo just sticks with the third party they have. May be that Nintendo has all 3 of the characters we want. We don't know.